Season 5, Ep 5 sets a piracy record: http://www.avclub.com/article/game-thrones-sets-new-tv-piracy-record-putting-dav-219238
One guess why this wasn't set with Eps 1-4.
One guess why this wasn't set with Eps 1-4.
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That would be great. but, you know what would also have been great?
The speculation about the last season ending
it was going like this:
- bran taps into tree-internet
- Music "the children" plays
- we zoom out of the place where bran is and fly over Westeros to the wall and see what jon is up to
- somewhere we could also include Rickon
- next we fly to Sansa
- then we fly to Arya, sailing away
- and in the last shot we get a zoom in on lady Stoneheart
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_/¯ it was too cool, we didnt get it. So I dont have high hopes for "Fuck Yeah! moments as a Season ending.Does he do the silly Littlefinger accent in that too?
m_shortpants
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I did a double take too lol.
bengraven
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Drazgul: He's basically playing Littlefinger but with an Irish growl instead of the bad British growl.
I've been bad about having multiple things selected on the far left next to "quote" even when I've already quoted them, so I had to delete everything. So I was quoting you both, but he was first. Since I was only referencing the last thing you wrote to keep from re-pasting a block I think I deleted everything up to the first "bracket quote equals" part which just so happened to be the thing I didn't realize I was quoting....if that makes sense.
Bottom line is I edited and did a TERRIBLE but funny coincidence.
Edit: playing 3DS and talking about GOT could have been another reason.
I've been bad about having multiple things selected on the far left next to "quote" even when I've already quoted them, so I had to delete everything. So I was quoting you both, but he was first. Since I was only referencing the last thing you wrote to keep from re-pasting a block I think I deleted everything up to the first "bracket quote equals" part which just so happened to be the thing I didn't realize I was quoting....if that makes sense.
Bottom line is I edited and did a TERRIBLE but funny coincidence.
Edit: playing 3DS and talking about GOT could have been another reason.
Gabriel_Logan
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Weirdly enough its just four hours of him repeating "You don't get to bring friends!" That Sun Tzu was a smart dude.
I had waited for years for him to be on Justified.
Spirit of Jazz
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Put me on the Valyria was dull train. To be honest I don't think there's any need to make the magical land of death and doom low key when you already have fantastical elements like Dragons and magic. Valyria's meant to be where all the crazy comes from so it's pretty disappointing that it's just some ruins.
Not pointless, they needed to drop back story on Valyria. We forget that Valyria is hardly mentioned at all in the show. And because it's film, better to show than tell. However, it is still a huge let down.
Description of Valyria now in the World of Ice and Fire:
The World of Ice and Fire: Ancient History: The Doom of Valyria said:
I'm really loving STANNIS even more in the show now.
I'm just coming to grips now that I guess that means he'll die soon.
Fucking damn. He's the only one who deserves to sit on the throne, dammit
Stannis losing again would be anticlimatic, winning wars is what he's supposed to be good at but will just be made to look ridiculous.
I thought Valyria looked alright, feels loke they looked at some Capser Friedrich paintings.
Cpt.Underpants
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I would be really devastated if he'd lose another battle or losing himself out of desperation.
Yabberwocky
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Ian McShane for Randyll Tarly would be glorious. I still can't believe they haven't used McShane in some capacity yet.
Every couple of months I like to Google search Deadwood, on the miniscule chance we'll magically be getting a film/Season 4. It's like tearing open an old wound.
Every couple of months I like to Google search Deadwood, on the miniscule chance we'll magically be getting a film/Season 4. It's like tearing open an old wound.
PhoenixDark
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Just them shrinking the world, basically. I'm not mad, it made sense to show Valaryia instead of The Sorrows since viewers already "know" Valaryia.
I'm not convinced he'll lose because usually people die and lose when they are confident in their plan that s explicitly laid out. At least right now in the books Stannis has everything going against him and we don't have a real idea of what his plan is, although there is a nice theory. That said, in the Theon TWOW Sample Chapter
I started to get a little worried because Stannis seemed so confident.
Theon said:
Confidence makes me scared that a character will die, of course the show may end up killing Stannis while book Stannis continues on.
BobTheFork
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That line about fearing Ramsey just adds to the theory that Ramsey is a secret Tarly.
Cpt.Underpants
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It's that picture from a trailer where Stannis' wife is on the ground looking extremely worried. That's what gives some kind of dreadful feel that there's something bad is gonna happen
To Melisandre or Stannis.
Though I'm not sure how Melisandre gets back to anyone if Stannis is defeated.
badcrumble
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I suppose what's especially interesting about it is that you've got [greyscale dude] going to Westeros in the books and [greyscale dude] going to Meereen on the show.
ALTHOUGH.
I could totally see D&D also condensing greyscale and the "pale mare" dysentery plague that is just beginning to hit ADWD into one thing.
Jorah's already confirmed for the fighting pits so there's your pale mare.
Dany will completely stop the sons of the harpy only to have her entire army turn into stone men.
This is her incentive to murder everyone in Meereen.
Will Varys rescue Tyrion somehow?
I think it's poor Shireen being burned.
And then, when it's absolutely too late, Selyse finds some humanity in herself and finally cares for her daughter.
Yup.
I would have just written it off if it had been the only greyscale thing to happen, but greyscale-chat has had more screen time than some main characters this season. It's never been more apparent that it's important to the endgame and I have no idea how this divergence is compatible with whatever is to come.
Though I guess Jorah could borrow Littlefinger's warp drive and make it Westeros in episode 10.
badcrumble
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Not necessarily the endgame, tbh. TWOW isn't endgame.
It's also arguably possible that JonCon's greyscale isn't important, but Shireen's greyscale is and so is the Meereen plague.
Any number of ways it could go, still. *shrugs*
badcrumble
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Hell, it's even possible that JonCon's greyscale is important, Shireen's isn't, but that she'll somehow occupy some tiny greyscale-related part of his role in the show and serve as a replacement.
Last Hearth
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Come on, most readers I know figured it out when he put Tyrion in the boat. One thing about this show, the are not subtle.
bengraven
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At this point it could very easily be Mel, Pod, Brienne, and Sansa heading back to the wall. Probably will be dragging along Gendry, Balon Greyjoy, and fucking Moonboy for all we know.
I would have been okay with a few CGI smokes.
"Look Tyrion," the god-like voice of Jorah says, "It still BURNS."
End scene. Fans happy.
Ganzlinger
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That and the fucking red sky. Valyria should look like hell on earth.
bengraven
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If it's orange at least show viewers can be like "it's sundown" while book readers are like "oooooo".
bodyofanamerican
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Has GRRM ever alluded to him telling us what happened in Valyria, or is it supposed to remain a mystery?
You guys are forgetting that this show has a large group of fans who like to pretend its more fantastic elements are grounded in reality.
Having a crazytown Valyria would put off some people. Trust me. I'm related to one of them.
They like to pretend this isn't a fantasy show, just a show based on medieval stuff.
Having a crazytown Valyria would put off some people. Trust me. I'm related to one of them.
They like to pretend this isn't a fantasy show, just a show based on medieval stuff.
I can accept them going through the islands outside the mainlands of Valyria, the same ones Victarion and Co went through in the books.
Either way, don't really mind the depiction, just wasn't as imposingly scary as described in the books. (you could see the red hellsky leagues away from the coast while sailing)
Either way, don't really mind the depiction, just wasn't as imposingly scary as described in the books. (you could see the red hellsky leagues away from the coast while sailing)
I'm not sure how they can do that when he's in King's Landing at the moment.
I don't actually believe that theory at all and would love to have Howland make an appearance up north. It has to be subtle though and they need to somehow mention him before the reveal.
9 is supposedly titled
"The Dance of Dragons"
I haven't seen this season yet, but I've been following both threads every Sunday and the difference between threads is rather amusing to me.
When it comes to how I view the books and the show, I see it this way: imagine you've made a grocery list for yourself. You total everything up, and it comes to about $150.
You check your wallet: you only have $50. So what do you do? You compromise and make sacrifices. Yes, Game of Thrones is a behemoth success for HBO, but there is only so much money they can throw at a 10 hour production. We were never going to get a 1:1 port of the books to the screen. A movie budget wouldn't have changed that either. They set a plan of a 10 episode season. Then the people with the money decide how much per episode they're given, and the entire crew has to work with it.
We were never going to get book Valyria. I guess they could have matte painted the fuck out of it, but that could have turned out worse. I saw the inside the episode clip that had some of the Tyrion Jorah scene in it, and it looked amazing to me. About what I could expect for a tv show with 5 more episodes to go for this season.
I know people have been praising this episode for focusing on only a few characters, but I imagine that had about as much to do with the budget as it did them wanting to let character arcs breathe.
When it comes to how I view the books and the show, I see it this way: imagine you've made a grocery list for yourself. You total everything up, and it comes to about $150.
You check your wallet: you only have $50. So what do you do? You compromise and make sacrifices. Yes, Game of Thrones is a behemoth success for HBO, but there is only so much money they can throw at a 10 hour production. We were never going to get a 1:1 port of the books to the screen. A movie budget wouldn't have changed that either. They set a plan of a 10 episode season. Then the people with the money decide how much per episode they're given, and the entire crew has to work with it.
We were never going to get book Valyria. I guess they could have matte painted the fuck out of it, but that could have turned out worse. I saw the inside the episode clip that had some of the Tyrion Jorah scene in it, and it looked amazing to me. About what I could expect for a tv show with 5 more episodes to go for this season.
I know people have been praising this episode for focusing on only a few characters, but I imagine that had about as much to do with the budget as it did them wanting to let character arcs breathe.
But the show got Emilia and Kit.
So really, at most, you're looking at $25 spent, total, in that analogy.
So the old lady with Sansa is definitely a Ramsay psychological mind game right? Let's see if Naive Sansa buys into it or is smart enough to realize. I mean come on, Winterfell was burned, the people killed. Most of the Northern lords dead at Red Wedding and Roose and the Boltons leave the Dreadfort and come to Winterfell. They're not going to allow Winterfell people to have prominent roles. The old lady seems like original Reek's mother, all psycho and what not.
The showrunners and directors are smart to cut from Brienne scene asking for help back to the old Lady saying light the candle in the broken tower if you ever need help. If Sansa does it, Ramsay will see she's not loyal and probably will rape her there or something. I mean look at the mind games he played with Theon.
Obviously the North Remembers, which comes to my next point, Ramsay said the exact same thing during dinner. It's just too convenient for the show no? Anyone else thinking this? That it's all a ploy, Ramsay and Myranda will play games with her, the old lady will ingratiate herself with Sansa, blah blah. Theon is the only help she has at Winterfell. Thoughts? Or am I way off base?
The showrunners and directors are smart to cut from Brienne scene asking for help back to the old Lady saying light the candle in the broken tower if you ever need help. If Sansa does it, Ramsay will see she's not loyal and probably will rape her there or something. I mean look at the mind games he played with Theon.
Obviously the North Remembers, which comes to my next point, Ramsay said the exact same thing during dinner. It's just too convenient for the show no? Anyone else thinking this? That it's all a ploy, Ramsay and Myranda will play games with her, the old lady will ingratiate herself with Sansa, blah blah. Theon is the only help she has at Winterfell. Thoughts? Or am I way off base?
TWOIAF book gives some details or rather theories as to what happened which in turn seemed to confirm a certain fan theory, mainly that the Faceless Men are responsible for the Doom. Based on the information in the book it seems that too any of the warlocks responsible for maintaining the Fourteen Flames were assassinated resulting in them all exploding at once. The book postulates that these assassinations could have been the result of the endless political fighting between the various Houses of the Freehold. So whether the Faceless Men actively and independently sought to destroy Valyria or the Valyrians essentially did it to themselves by hiring them to assassinate rivals is anybody's guess.
I doubt that the FM independently did it since what we know of their code they are only the instrument of death and do not go out choosing to give it freely. The idea that the Valyrians did it to themselves could also be supported by another seemingly unconnected historical description in the book, the forging of Brightroar the Lannister ancestral sword. It's said that the weight of gold the Lannisters paid to the Valyrians to craft it "would have been enough to raise an army." Thus, as the theory goes, the Valyrians used this new wealth to hire the FM who in turn killed too many of the warlocks, upsetting the magical balance and erupting all of the Fourteen Flames.
You could think that Valyria is much scarier than what we saw but Tyrion and Georah were knocked out before making it to the first boss fight.
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