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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 - Sundays on HBO
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I don't think it's a Ramsay mind game personally. In the books they make it clear that only the men at Winterfell were slaughtered and the women and children were marched back to the Dreadfort. They're not just going to keep all of the Winterfell women at the Dreadfort and send their women to take their place. They need people that know the castle and surrounding area to set back up. She also is the one that made the "the north remembers" comment to Sansa when she showed her to her room when she first got there. I think she's legitimately a Stark supporter. If the Boltons killed off all of them they'd have noone left. Plus you'd have to think the guy Brienne talked to wasn't sincere because if he was and the old lady is a pawn of Ramsay's then Sansa would get two different messages. Nobody loves the Boltons unless they benefit from them and I don't think she falls into that category.
PhoenixDark
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The thing I wonder about...I like the theory about the FM being involved in whatever happened at Hardholme, perhaps as a "trial run" for what they ultimately pulled in Valaryia. Given that I assume there weren't warlocks or magical fires in Hardholme it makes me wonder what else could have happened.
bengraven
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You know, I thought maybe he was sick but he seemed kind of "eh" when talking about the Stone Men in that recap video. I wonder if he knew they were going to be in Valyria and was kind of distasteful to it.
(no, I doubt it, he's like chaching what? chaching I can't hear you. Chaching Brienne is a space alien? Chaching kay)
I didn't think so until Ramsay's "The North Remembers". He's aware of what's going on behind his back I think, which could be another reason he's so openly dressing her down instead of hiding his true nature.
We didn't see who told the old woman to light the candle. We may assume it's Brienne and the message comes from the crazy Russian guy from LOST (I JUST placed where I saw him from) she met at the inn, but what if she lights the candle and it's actually Ramsay with his dogs that comes to meet her? It could be his trap to see if she's going to flake and become "boring" to him.
Since she's his Lady Hornwood now.
KingHenrik30
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Pretty much proving that A Song of Ice and Fire is exactly what Martin set it out to be when he wrote the books - Unfilmable.
bengraven
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She's like Liv Tyler speaking elvish. It improves her acting ability to play a bland person speaking a beautiful language.
I was thinking maybe you were confused and thinking of Summerhall because I've never heard of anything Hardhome related except that's where the wildlings are holing up. I don't remember it being mentioned in the series, and I guess I didn't see the bit in WoIaF when it's mentioned, so thanks for giving me that heads up. (I haven't finished the majority of the book)
I have nothing to add speculation-wise as I'm starting to actually read up on the event except to say that I really doubt we'll hear anything about it on the show.
I was thinking maybe you were confused and thinking of Summerhall because I've never heard of anything Hardhome related except that's where the wildlings are holing up. I don't remember it being mentioned in the series, and I guess I didn't see the bit in WoIaF when it's mentioned, so thanks for giving me that heads up. (I haven't finished the majority of the book)
I have nothing to add speculation-wise as I'm starting to actually read up on the event except to say that I really doubt we'll hear anything about it on the show.
"killed"
I'm pretty sure Sansa is gonna kill Ramsey, if not this season then in the next one
KingHenrik30
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Just catching this now. Boy is this fucking BORING.
edit: And corny too, it's so predictably bad at this point.
edit: And corny too, it's so predictably bad at this point.
bodyofanamerican
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So if Jon eats it at Hardhome and doesn't get Mannis his ships back, does that really screw Stannis at this point? He needs them for Kings Landing not Winterfell right?
I can't see how losing those ships leaves Stannis high and dry at least in the immediate future
I can't see how losing those ships leaves Stannis high and dry at least in the immediate future
Confidence Man
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Not before she manipulates him into killing Roose.
PhoenixDark
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I can't find the comprehensive westeros link but here's a video with the basic gist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mONvfkxMl20
The firewyrm connection is interesting. The FM ran into them in Valaryia, and the holes in Hardholme seem to suggest some type of deep tunneling as well.
Well Stannis has "lost" his ships in the books as well.
Ganzlinger
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bodyofanamerican
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Refresh my memory. They're definitely lost? Or we assume they are?
Well "lost" in that Salador Saan has abandoned Stannis and gone back to piracy since he hasn't been paid. If you remember it's why Davos has to essentially sneak into White Harbor after being caught up at the Sisters first.
bodyofanamerican
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Right! Thanks.
And I mean, Stannis is essentially at the end of his rope in the Crofter's village right now, with a starving and nearly dead army, yes? I could see this season ending with him in that position.
And I mean, Stannis is essentially at the end of his rope in the Crofter's village right now, with a starving and nearly dead army, yes? I could see this season ending with him in that position.
bengraven
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So who's ships are they sailing to Hardhome? I'm assuming the NW has a few?
Watching now. I can't believe I wasn't made aware of this until now. It's something I would have latched onto and wanted more information from if I read it.
Watching now. I can't believe I wasn't made aware of this until now. It's something I would have latched onto and wanted more information from if I read it.
That theory doesn't make sense to me, if I were to theorize what hit Hardhome all those years ago I would place it on the Dragon that supposedly lies underneath Winterfell.
Psychoward
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Primarily a show watcher here, read book 1 and part of 2 but with the shoe catching up/verging away from the books I've been reading a bit on the wiki and talking to my friend who read all of the books..... WHY WOULD THEY CUT ALL THE AWESOME CHARACTERS? Seriously they have less families than Seasons 1-3 yet don't add in Euron or Victarororororian whatever his face? Also killing Selmy like that was just ugh
It's better to actually give screen time to characters like Jon and Stannis than endlessly introduce new ones.
Psychoward
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I would agree except for the fact that they're dedicating a lot of time to Brienne and Pod. Also the entire concept of Aegon just existing is kind of a big deal no?
Also I'm gonna go out on a limb and say either Jon or Stannis is gonna bite the bullet soon so it'd be best to introduce new characters now and flesh them out more.
Because the Iron Born plot would cost too much money, think about having epic ship fights basically every episode. The show doesn't have the budget or time for that. Plus, I'm sure they rightly feel the cast is big enough as it is, introducing a whole other family would only serve to confuse viewers.
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Indeed, but there are other ways they could tie that plot in without introducing another alleged Targaryen. You should also be careful in this thread if you want to avoid some spoilers.
Psychoward
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They're not introducing a whole new family, they're just not ignoring them. They already had Asha and Balon, they could at least show us them then. Also they easily navigated around battles in Season 1, they could do the same here. Finally I think you're not giving the viewers enough credit especially since the Greyjoys already exist in D&D verse
Well, Balon should be dead and his death kicks off the Iron Born plot.
Psychoward
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Any chance of that coming in Season 6 then? I highly doubt they just completely ignore the entire Greyjoy plotline...
Who knows, I kind of doubt it. The problem is that we book readers don't know the full importance of the Iron Born yet. If their sole purpose is to
bring Daenerys to Mereen through the use of Victarion and his ships, well Daario already mentioned in the show a season back that he captured a bunch of ships for her. Thus, no Iron Born ships would be needed. If their purpose involves something greater and maybe ties into the Oldtown stuff
Steelyuhas
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The Ironborn plot is an easy cut in my mind. It's a total narrative island, especially compared to introducing the Dornish characters who have direct ties to King's Landing characters and the events in King's Landing last season.
Basileus777
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They are using Stannis' ships. There were multiple conversations about it.
I don't know why Sam and Gilly and Missandei and Gray Worm are getting that much screen time though. I'd much rather have more Tyrion, Cersei, Jaime, Sansa, Arya, Jon, Stannis than another scene of Gilly being dumb, Gray Worm trying to be Romeo etc.
Edit: Yeah I know, they need it to set up that White Walkers are coming, Dragonglass kills them, where the Citadel is and what it does etc.
Edit: Yeah I know, they need it to set up that White Walkers are coming, Dragonglass kills them, where the Citadel is and what it does etc.
Incandenza
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It seems like a lot of the Gilly scenes are treading the same ground. Sam is reading, Gilly says something dumb because she can't read, awkward moment ensues. I haven't really been feeling much affection between the two this season.
biosnake20
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They're setting up for the Fat Pink Mast.
They're only getting a few minutes of screentime each. Sam and Gilly are setting up for future plot, and Grey Worm and Missandei are characters who were important to introduce for world building purposes, but didn't have much book plot. Once the show had introduced them, it needed to create some material for them, and this works fine.
Also, if the show is really doing Oldtown, and Stannis has left his ships for Jon's use, that nicely sets up Salladhor to be the one who transports Sam and Gilly, to replace the Summer Islanders from the books.
PhoenixDark
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The shooting reports that were released seemed to suggest there's only one big action sequence in the north - Hardholme. Unless I missed something, I'm pretty sure the Winterfell battle won't happen this season.
Basileus777
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There is the possibility that they could resolve the conflict without a battle.
So a bit off topic, but I'm considering changing my avatar (first time ever really) and thought that if I did do it I'd make it GoT related. At the moment I'm thinking about these two ones below, Bittersteel and Rhaegar. I'm leaning more towards Bittersteel but which do you people think looks better, not to say I'm entirely convinced at the moment that I will change avatars.
Rhaegar
Bittersteel
Rhaegar
Bittersteel
The line about pirates avoiding Valyria was like they were setting up a compromise for fans of the books. They're screwing up Valyria, which is bad, but they're making up for it by scrapping Penny, which is good.
They're giving us too much good stuff with Stannis, Davos, and Shireen. One of them is gonna die.
They're giving us too much good stuff with Stannis, Davos, and Shireen. One of them is gonna die.
Steelyuhas
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Content Roundup: Kill the Boy
Reviews and Recaps:
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Lol. I like Kitt and Emilia. The hate she gets on this forum from many people is perplexing to me. Dany's storyline is a difficult one to adapt to live action, but I think they've done a good job on the show if trimming the stuff from the books that didn't work, and I think Emilia Clarke does a very good job with the character. Dany is an inexperienced ruler. Her whole story up to this point was her coming into her own while battling with her very nature as a batshit crazy Targaryen. She has moments where she seems like she knows what she's doing, but the truth is, all of this shit is new to her, and she's learning as she goes.
I know it's been 5 seasons, so I understand the weariness and desire for her to get on with it, but she IS the end game of the show/books, whatever that may be, and we aren't there yet.
Sansa is in a similar position, but unlike Dany, she lacks the power and respect. Her story was so directionless that they had to steal the story line from another character. Dany doesn't have that luxury.
It seems like Davos would die defending his king or Shireen from just about anyone, so either Davos is going to die or be separated from Stannis at some point.
Steelyuhas
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I think what's more likely is that something happens that drives Stannis to her to more or less take a hike, and she goes back to Castle Black.
Well if that thing is killing Shireen or suggesting killing Shireen, he'd have her killed surely. He doesn't have some great affection for the woman.
Directionless? She is biding her time (because she is still a fugitive) and seducing the next in line for the Vale, so that between her and her bethrothed, they can retake the North and have a very strong, legitimate claim to the North, Riverlands and the Vale.
Rentahamster
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That sounds pretty neat, actually.
I guess that's what Quentyn would have looked like, lol.In the absence of everyone's favourite buffoon, Face Tyrell, I was forced to gif something else for once.
Pfff Quentyn still alive.
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