Intheflorsh
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I don't disagree, but I think GRRM refers to that scene as the most romantic thing he's ever written. Take that as you will.
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I don't disagree, but I think GRRM refers to that scene as the most romantic thing he's ever written. Take that as you will.
PHOENIXZERO
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They did it... They fucking did it.
The Sand Snakes and Dorne story is pretty laughable right now. I really wanted to like them.. but that fight looked terrible.
LF is a sneaky bastard.
The pillars of heads was creepy! I liked the music.
They should've left Tommen as a cute child that spends his days playing with kittens. He is a doormat. I also still haaate show Loras' arc/characterization.
The last scene made me feel so fucking awful for Sansa and Theon.
Alfie Allen is really one of the best actors on the show. I honestly wasn't expecting any other situation to go down, because it's freaking Ramsay Bolton. He's a monster. TWOW:
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The Winterfell stuff in the book is set up for Theon, so putting Sansa there just screws around with her story arc. I hope she gets her revenge and Theon helps her escape.
LF is a sneaky bastard.
The pillars of heads was creepy! I liked the music.
They should've left Tommen as a cute child that spends his days playing with kittens. He is a doormat. I also still haaate show Loras' arc/characterization.
The last scene made me feel so fucking awful for Sansa and Theon.
Alfie Allen is really one of the best actors on the show. I honestly wasn't expecting any other situation to go down, because it's freaking Ramsay Bolton. He's a monster. TWOW:
Harry the Heir he is not
The Winterfell stuff in the book is set up for Theon, so putting Sansa there just screws around with her story arc. I hope she gets her revenge and Theon helps her escape.
PhoenixDark
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The guy who hunts women and flays houses that don't pay taxes isn't a famous psycho in the north? lmao
Purple Cheeto
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Too bad he couldn't write a complete series before selling off the tv rights.
timetokill
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It's disappointing because I really love Dorne and the Sand Snakes in the books, but man they are fucking terrible on this show
Rape is rape, at least that's what GAF tells me (i didn't need GAF to tell me this its just ironic i'm having this discussion on GAF). Regardless given the situation she was in, the way her brother treated her, being that young with everyone around you telling you to be this guy's bride and fuck him or else. She eventually says yes, because what else she is going to do, so its ok? Honestly this is pretty fucked up. I'm going to bed.
That's great. This will go world wide .Your wish...
...is my command.
I love this gif so much. lol
Iwan Rheon looks pretty cute tho... (;´Д`)
Then cut the marriage plot out.
In the books, Sansa's act of defiance, not bowing during her wedding to Tyrion, was removed altogether from the show. Because Show Sansa just goes with the flow.
She was curt to Myranda, and then cried afterwards. Then got raped. That's not character development. She has shown more signs of development in one chapter of TWOW than the entire season already. Jesus Christ.
They could have had Sansa work with the Northern lords and give the audience a depiction of Sansa doing ANYTHING other than being a victim. But now she's just a plot device for Theon, as opposed to a major character of the story. Hell, as someone pointed out, they could have even made Sansa/Ramsay less demeaning to her character.
Theon's redemption was even more rewarding, because it was a 'nobody' that he risked it for.
PushTheButtonMax
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After that horrible ending I forgot all about how well done the scene was with Arya in the room of faces.
Atraveller
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Intheflorsh
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I guess Bronn is going the way of Khal Drogo, dying because of a scratch.
Baldwin_the_First
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It would have made absolutely no difference. Stop beating the dead horse as they say.
I just want Cersei to get everything she deserves over the next few episodes.
I actually really hate that they're going this route with Lorris (?) since it's a mute point that he likes the company of men. I really wanted more of a royal brawl of Cersei vs Margery.
I actually really hate that they're going this route with Lorris (?) since it's a mute point that he likes the company of men. I really wanted more of a royal brawl of Cersei vs Margery.
m_shortpants
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The whole point was that he was gentle to her and loved her, defying expectations.
Also, I can't even fathom what the fuck they were thinking with the sand snakes. It's all terrible.
Which no woman would respond to, given the circumstances.
These are not aliens. Dany is a person with feelings, not a 13 year old girl who likes grown men to touch her.
At the beginning of her story, she makes no decisions for herself. What does it say about Dany if in the first episode she lets the first man who cares a little for her into her bed?
Dorne/Spain reminds me of season 2-3 north of the wall/Iceland. Sacrificed quality just to get the scenery of on location shooting. I mean they had to clear out an important tourist attraction for those water garden scenes right? Probably rushed the production and limited what they could do. The sand snakes horrible acting is all on them though, at least Kit had the excuse of being frozen all the time and has since been great.
Man was just well endowed. Once she taught him new positions, it was all good.
BobTheFork
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I thought it was a good episode.
All the Tyrion.Jorah talk was very good. "The dwarf lives until we find a cock merchant' is now my favorite line.
Arya was excellent as well. Dorne is just stupid. Introducing the sand snakes just to make their attempt look really half assed. They had to know about all the guards and they walk in and quit right away.
Sansa wedding scene looked great. I really didn't react at all to the rape scene. We've all been talking about it and expecting it for weeks and I really thought it was going to be much worse than that. Thinking about the context of it now is worse than the scene.
All the Tyrion.Jorah talk was very good. "The dwarf lives until we find a cock merchant' is now my favorite line.
Arya was excellent as well. Dorne is just stupid. Introducing the sand snakes just to make their attempt look really half assed. They had to know about all the guards and they walk in and quit right away.
Sansa wedding scene looked great. I really didn't react at all to the rape scene. We've all been talking about it and expecting it for weeks and I really thought it was going to be much worse than that. Thinking about the context of it now is worse than the scene.
The Illiterati
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This show is terrible. Glad to see characters like Sansa getting raped because Benioff and Weiss have no idea what a plot arc is. Mormont is now Conninigton? Sure, we just liked that story beat, even though it has no connection to his arc either. Die, Barristan, die, we don't know where you fit into the future plot.
I can't wait for the continued reveal of the Emperor's lack of clothes!
I can't wait for the continued reveal of the Emperor's lack of clothes!
cartoon_soldier
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Ramsay was going to consummate the marriage, not sure why people are surprised at the scene happening. The whole thing is there are 4 episodes left, it is all about what the payoff here is.
I thought Sansa getting raped was to show the difference between a gentleman like Tyrion and an evil bastard like Ramsay.
It will also help the audience understand when she flees or kills him. She seems to be okay with all the other horrible things he's done.
Basileus777
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It seems an episode or so too soon for that.
That's all old news though
dead souls
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This show has never been great, but now it's basically unwatchable.
Of course the odious rape scene was completely repellent, but the bigger problem is that the rest of the episode was just boring. It was almost putting me to sleep.
Of course the odious rape scene was completely repellent, but the bigger problem is that the rest of the episode was just boring. It was almost putting me to sleep.
Last Hearth
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Well, in other news, I loved the Arya stuff tonight, the room with all the faces was awesome.
RatskyWatsky
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I thought they really did a wonderful job with the Arya scenes. It's probably the best I've ever seen Maisie Williams.
And rape scenes are supposed to be repellent.
Jamie/Cersei wasn't even supposed to be rape in the show, the director and editor just fucked the scene up that badly.You know, for a book series that already had a bunch of rape, they sure enjoy adding a bunch of rape that isn't needed.
Danny/Drogo (wasn't rape in the book)
Jamie/Cersei (wasn't rape in the book)
and now Sansa/Ramsey (wasn't even in the book)
And then decided to add another deliberate scene the next season on top of it. It's like they have some historical axe to grind with the way marriage/titles/alliances were constructed and so they want to make consumnating a political marriage = RAPE literal on screen.
She is watching something, so my guess is Ramsay is showing her something bad, like someone's corpse.
Last Hearth
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Also loved the wedding in the Godswood, the heart tree looked great, the atomsphere with the light falling snow and Sansa in her white dress. That was beautifully done.
People were mad this plot happened to begin with. The people defending suggested Sanas would have some kind agency this time. Like, because she made the choice and that she would either: Seduce and manipulate Ramsay like Marge, steel herself to serve a larger revenge or perhaps Ramsay would actually play nice because he was apparently smitten and she is oh so important to him.
As it is, she's going to get rescued by Theon or Brienne and be a widow who might have Ramsays baby. That is pretty terrible.
cartoon_soldier
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4 episodes left. This isn't the end of the plot right.
But she'll love it because you never love anyone the way you love your children.
Guys, every scene in this show has a straight line trajectory toward its beginning. Every word is foreshadowing. Everything means something.
Show Ramsay's always been pretty evil though, even ignoring all the other heinous shit he does in the books.
- Kills his own soldiers just to fuck with Theon.
- Hunts that one girl with his crazy gf and dogs.
- Flays people all willy-nilly (dem taxes) that even Roose calls him out for.
- And pretty much everything he's done to Theon so far.
Dabookerman
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So I'm confused.
She weds Ramsey, and as per "tradition" doesn't a bedding tend to happen anyway?
In my mind I thought the way the scene would have unfortunately played out was she agrees to bed him, but then the "shock" part was Theon is forced to join in, or the dogs get involved. Which of course, she wouldn't have been prepared for.
She weds Ramsey, and as per "tradition" doesn't a bedding tend to happen anyway?
In my mind I thought the way the scene would have unfortunately played out was she agrees to bed him, but then the "shock" part was Theon is forced to join in, or the dogs get involved. Which of course, she wouldn't have been prepared for.
Rentahamster
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Dorne stuff seemed kinda silly, especially the ease at which Jamie infiltrated the Water Gardens, as well as the dumbing down of Ellaria's plan, but overall I don't hate this episode as much as a lot of the internet seems to.
There's a lot of rape in the book, too. I was a little puzzled at the Jamie/Cersei scene, but this one was fine.
There's a lot of rape in the book, too. I was a little puzzled at the Jamie/Cersei scene, but this one was fine.
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