Atraveller
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Maybe it'll be a recurring flashback, and we'll see more of Cersei's actions.
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bengraven
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I think it's perfect.
I'll repost what I said in the last page since it will probably get lost:
Like Feast before it and it's introduction of Cersei's viewpoints, we're getting an unleashed Cersei this season. No Tywin or Joffrey or Tyrion or even Jaime (since he's neutered in her opinion and going to Dorne anyway) to boss her around. This is where she makes her big mistakes, but she's going to act like a G before she does.
The prophecy, like the scene in the books where she's smiling drunkenly up at a burning Tower of the Hand, is a way of foreshadowing her eventually demise.
Last Hearth
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I disagree, clearly it's setting up Cersei's resentment and suspicion of Margaery being the "younger and more beautiful queen".
Steelyuhas
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I liked the episode, lots of table setting which was expected. I'm of the opinion that they're not pulling the switch on Mance, shame they didn't use Hinds much in the show.
It also explains her disdain for men she conquers. None of them matter to her. What was writ is in stone to her, they're just there to please her as she cascades towards her doom.
RatskyWatsky
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He's dead.
Basileus777
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There wasn't a single hint or anything to foreshadow a swap, I doubt it is in.
So yeah, that's all fine. I personally don't think they really need the prophecy at all since we've been following Cersei far closer in the show than in the book, but it can serve a narrative purpose of providing some additional motivation. We will see on that front. I was really just criticizing the use of the flashback in this specific episode. It felt sloppy from a single episode narrative stand point to have it here, in an episode where she doesn't interact with Margaery or at all look out for the safety of her children. It doesn't match up at all with any of her scenes in this episode. It's fine to set stuff up for a season long arc, but having individual character stories in an episode be jumbled like this isn't great.
Atraveller
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It was made so, so the reveal could be even more surprising to first time viewers.
Right?
Mance will be back, just watch! I believe in Mance!
He's bled enough, and he meant it.
This made me chuckle for some reason.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Were there any spoilers you guys?
Basileus777
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Not that I can think of.
Depends. As I said a page back or so, it's useless comparing the show and the books at this point. It's clear the show is going full rogue and doing whatever they want. Welcome to Planetos-19999.
Maybe the Sansa stuff. But it really didn't delve into her story yet.
I don't think they switched. Seems like a satisfying death for Mance and a nice moment for Jon. Glad to see someone in this show other than Davos and Melisandra finally admit that Stannis will make a great ruler. Some pointless scenes in this episode though. Margaery and Loras talking about his marriage to Cersei isn't needed. We already know it's not happening. And I could have sworn Brienne had that exact same conversation with Podrick last season. You know, the one about not being a leader or whatever. Ok premiere I guess.
cartoon_soldier
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Crazy thought.
What if the final battle for Iron Throne is not between kings but 4 queens.
All Men Must Die.
What if the final battle for Iron Throne is not between kings but 4 queens.
Sansa from the North, unites the Northern clans + Vale.
Margarey with Tyrell backing. They have the army and the money.
Daenarys with her army and lineage.
Myrcella with backing of Dorne army.
Lannister support fractures between Tyrells and Dorne/Myrcella, largely a non factor. They have no gold left and Tywin is dead.
Margarey with Tyrell backing. They have the army and the money.
Daenarys with her army and lineage.
Myrcella with backing of Dorne army.
Lannister support fractures between Tyrells and Dorne/Myrcella, largely a non factor. They have no gold left and Tywin is dead.
All Men Must Die.
Cellbomber
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Yea mance will be back I feel. They didn't show rattle at all during the episode did they? Viewers are familiar enough with him and its not going to be too confusing for them.
I doesn't matter anymore, the show is doing its own thing now. Whatever "spoilers" it has, it in no way means the same thing will happen in the books.
Huh?
cartoon_soldier
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There was no switch guys.
Have a feeling Rickon with his fury will be the last Stark who will rule Winterfell at the end.
Tormund had taken a couple arrows to his body in that episode last season. Maybe he sacrificed himself for Mance. You've got to wonder whether the story moves forward with Mance more or Tormund. But it seems like we still haven't heard anything about Val, Dalla or Mance newborn. Maybe they cut it all out to simplify it.
Sho_Nuff82
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Put me in the boat that thinks they will use Tormund for the switch. He looked way too healthy compared to the last time we saw him, and the camera lingered on him a bit too much.
The show Tormund also hates Jon, whereas novel Tormund was much more jovial and friendly. It will make more sense to show Tormund warming up to Jon and calmly leading the wildlings if it's secretly Mance in disguise.
Daario's screentime actually made me revisit the D = E theory. He's written much more intelligent here, and actually comes off as almost sage in his advice.
As for Brienne, where does she go from here? Isn't LSH a requirement for her story advancement? After all, no one else knows about the vow she swore re: Arya & Sansa.
Glad the show finally broke the "no flashback" rule. I think at some point we're going to need some Rhaegar and Lyanna scenes, or no one is going to care about the Rebellion stuff or prophecies.
The show Tormund also hates Jon, whereas novel Tormund was much more jovial and friendly. It will make more sense to show Tormund warming up to Jon and calmly leading the wildlings if it's secretly Mance in disguise.
Daario's screentime actually made me revisit the D = E theory. He's written much more intelligent here, and actually comes off as almost sage in his advice.
As for Brienne, where does she go from here? Isn't LSH a requirement for her story advancement? After all, no one else knows about the vow she swore re: Arya & Sansa.
Glad the show finally broke the "no flashback" rule. I think at some point we're going to need some Rhaegar and Lyanna scenes, or no one is going to care about the Rebellion stuff or prophecies.
cartoon_soldier
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"Freedom to make my own mistakes"
It was Mance for sure.
Camera was on Tormund a lot because he will become the next wildling leader right?
He's like the only memorable wildling in the show, too. His reactions represents all of them.
That might be the whole prophecy in the series.
Basileus777
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I think we can make that assumption. There's no reason to believe that there was anything more.
Red Arremer
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I love sassy Varys.
I'm also glad they're keeping Kevan.
Pretty sure the repercussions of that are going to be felt in episodes going forward.
I'm also glad they're keeping Kevan.
Pretty sure the repercussions of that are going to be felt in episodes going forward.
RatskyWatsky
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Hmmm
So just Sansa stuff then?
I'm not so sure about that. It'll still spoil, like, deaths and major developments, even if they arrive at them via a different route.
Basileus777
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Sansa's arc seems like a full on departure/rewrite rather than an indicator of what will happen to her in TWOW.
Red Arremer
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Yeah, Sansa's scenes are pretty much the only thing that's new, but it's not very spoilery for the books, since nothing of significance has happened (yet).
This, as well. I believe that the result of Sansa's arc might be the same as her arc in the book will be, but the way to there is likely going to be entirely different.
Eh. We've already had characters die in the show that don't die in the books, like Robb's wife. What happens in the show means little.
Red Arremer
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Oh also, I want to say that I love the little detail of the Bolton sigil being on the Winterfell tower in the opening sequence.
Veritigo_X
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No Mance swap would be a huge disappointment. They pretty much wasted Hinds in this show. What did he get like 20 minutes of screen time total?
Basileus777
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I really don't think so. Of course it all depends. If D&D know the end then really they only have to follow the most critical of plot points, so if say Jon Snow ends up being the prophesied warrior who defeats the Others. Well, it doesn't matter if Jaimie ends up dead in Dorne, dead by LSH, dead fighting the Others, or alive and well in the end if he's a minor player. All that matters is that Jon Snow defeats the Others. But, who knows.
Atraveller
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Editing brah, he could be switched later.
Damn straight.
I don't think the Harry plotline ends up going anywhere, but the North still rises for Sansa.
Beelzebufo
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Edit: Ah, never mind me then. That's dumb lol.
You're asking for the ban hammer.
Also, I really can't believe how man people are still responding to the show as the almighty truth lens as to where the books will end up. If it isn't obvious by now things have diverged considerably, and it will be impossible to know what's 1:1 until books are published. What happens in the show now isn't indicative of what will be written.
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