There hasn't really been any hint of that in the show -- though they could have had him bring that up in his season 3 confession to Ramsay about his feelings toward the Starks. I guess that's one of the writing choices that seems like a missed opportunity if the writers really had this story in mind since season 2 (though the most obvious one of those is how Sansa wasn't given any reaction whatsoever to the events at Winterfell, given that it seems like her learning that her brothers are alive is meant to be a huge moment coming up).
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biosnake20
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Given that the contexts will be completely different, I doubt that could be the case. And the show hardly uses book dialogue anymore (one of the things that made Aemon's final line last episode so noteworthy).
biosnake20
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Ok maybe not exact dialogue but a reworking of it like they did with Tyrion's trial speech in S4.
Ok maybe not exact dialogue but a reworking of it like they did with Tyrion's trial speech in S4.
RatskyWatsky
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Excellent.
biosnake20
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Possibly. A corkscrew(or whatever it is she picked up) is a fine weapon to do it with.
I was thinking about that.
Sansa kills Walda. Roose banishes his crazy son to the vanguard. Ramsay burn Stannis' camp. Shireen dies. Snow clears. Stannis continues onward. Ramsay returns to Winterfell. Sansa escapes in all the commotion.
Spirit of Jazz
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How does that even begin to make more sense than her killing Roose or Ramsay? Though if she does it and Roose see's more worth in his bastards cunning than a legitimate heir I guess it's in line with the book and holds up the series narrative of making Sansa totally pathetic.
Because she could actually manage to kill a sweet fat woman.
Also, it has narrative symmetry.
Sansa was accused of aiding in the killing of Joffrey because no one would have more reason to want him dead.
Maybe that's the lesson she learned?
Spirit of Jazz
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How does her being sweet or fat have anything to do with it? She'd be able to conceal a weapon and be alone with somebody who considers her harmless which would be the same as her being with either Bolton at this point.
Apart from in this scenario Sansa would clearly want everybody dead and is the most likely suspect? Tyrion was convicted for that crime through a trial without evidence for the exact same reason.
biosnake20
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She'll kill Walda and make it look like Ramsay did it and Theon will help her and corroborate the story.
Her role in this story is to manipulate the Boltons, not stab them in the neck.
I've thought a lot about what Ramsay has, and what Roose has. Roose has the army. He is house Bolton, which means short of amassing a force capable of destroying the Boltons (unlikely), Sansa's best bet is to either escape or turn Roose on Ramsay.
Roose would just hang Sansa from a tree if she killed Ramsay.
Steelyuhas
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Wow, amazing
Spirit of Jazz
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So she stabs an innocent in the neck instead? Rather than shanking a Bolton and lighting the candle so she could flee.
What does Ramsey have in this scenario? He'd either be killed by Roose or l Roose would consider having any heir to be more important than having none; even if that means brushing aside the fact his illegitimate heir has murdered all of his legitimate ones like in the books.
biosnake20
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I'm ready to see some giant ice spiders tomorrow.
Puh, there is someone posting here. i thought i broke the thread
Noone posted for like 10 hours here!
I know. It's weird. I think our theories are leaking over into the other thread and we just get tired of talking about them.
When does the OSN thing usually leak?
Love it
We had our season-6-casting-news-episode-10-title/logline-speculation-frenzy earlier in the week, and with an episode that was quite good and didn't really have anything objectionable we're just out of stuff to discuss
I will hunt them down and make them do it.
biosnake20
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I hope they don't leak because I wont be able to resist watching it.
Nooooo. Never! I don't ever wanna see that shit. I'm a coward.
Sansa killing Myranda doesnt make much sense. Myranda just threatened her, not harm her. She knows Ramsey enjoys her as well, why would she place herself in a more dangerous position for a pointless kill only to have Ramsey to make her pay for it later? Killing her accomplishes absolutely nothing at all. If she is willing to kill anyone it is going to be Ramsey or someone else that is actually essential to her suffereing.
The only way I can see Sansa killing Myranda is if she decides to try to bond with Ramsey and to hunt her in order make him believe that she is now loyal to him.
Even that is quite predictable though.
The only way I can see Sansa killing Myranda is if she decides to try to bond with Ramsey and to hunt her in order make him believe that she is now loyal to him.
Even that is quite predictable though.
That ship has sailed, fortunately. Not a realistic scenario now. I thought they might go that route at first. At the beginning, I thought she might help Ramsay flay Myranda. Instead, it's much more believable and allows her to be sympathetic that she isn't willing to do horrible things and is simply out of her element. Hunting Myranda with dogs, helping to flay her, and killing Fat Walda would make her no better than Ramsay.
Killing Fat Walda would make her no better than Ramsay, but she has no friends in Winterfell. There's no Tyrion to save her from a beating. There's no Margaery to talk to her about Joffrey. There's no Littlefinger to stow her away on a ship.
Whatever Sansa does, this is the point they've been building up to on the show. She doesn't know Brienne is outside. If she wants free of Ramsay's clutches, she has to take action herself.
Whatever Sansa does, this is the point they've been building up to on the show. She doesn't know Brienne is outside. If she wants free of Ramsay's clutches, she has to take action herself.
Basileus777
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There are plenty of Freys that are innocent and had nothing to do with the Red Wedding. What has Fat Walda done that's so heinous other than have some nasty relatives?
What? Dude started raping and tormenting her on their first night of wedded bliss. Asking Reek to light the candle might have been her first act of defiance but of course he was expecting her to defy him eventually.
He's a sadistic creep. He locked her up because he gets off on locking people up.
Who besides Fat Walda? Like, the females probably aren't all nasty but it seems the books go out of its way to portray every male Frey as an asshole. It's kind of weird.
bengraven
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It would make sense if she tried to escape or had said something after the deed in retaliation. Both of which would have IMPROVED viewers opinions of the situation.
My theory: he's locking her away so she doesn't bother him sport fucking Myranda or sport hunting the other women.
Basileus777
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Robb's squire for one. And in a family as large as the Freys, do you think they held a family meeting and vote on their super secret conspiracy? Being nasty doesn't it's ok for someone to murder you.
What had Septa Mordane done other than teach the Stark girls to knit?
Every non-child character in this show has killed someone or been a party to killing someone except Sansa.
Right. I get why he would lock people up in terms of his character, but letting Sansa walk about Winterfell doesn't really hurt him at all.
Thaedolus
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I think D&D are crazy if they try to keep it to 7 seasons
Sure it would, because she would escape.
HBO want at least 8. George wants 20. We'll see how it goes, but I think they're pretty set in their ways.
PhoenixDark
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I'd bet on eight seasons. Whether it's eight in the traditional sense or whether S7 is split into two parts.
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