He didn't kill Shireen because of Ramsay. He killed Shireen because he's an ambitious fanatic in thrall to Mel. He killed Shireen because the hubris of chasing the throne caught up to him.
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He didn't kill Shireen because of Ramsay. He killed Shireen because he's an ambitious fanatic in thrall to Mel. He killed Shireen because the hubris of chasing the throne caught up to him.
WadiumArcadium
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She looked pretty shocked when the fires started.
Lol sure why not. Ramsay got half-way there, saw the flames and smoke on the horizon, shrugged and went on home.
That's the kind of bait-and-switch Martin would do.
Oh, right I forgot they stabbed him too. I didn't think they were Hizdarh's, but the possibility added some pretty cool intrigue along with the poisoning.
It's just a shame. Daznak's pit could've been done exactly like it was in the books... Just wasn't for some reason.
Dusk Soldier
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Well, most of the food stores and siege weapons would likely be stored at the back of the camp.
So if Roose's scouts already had a strong idea of Stannis's position. And if Ramsey knew the terrain well enough. It's not too farfetched that his ambush squad went around Stannis's camp to attack at the rear where logistically there would be the least guards.
Once the fires started, everyone would be focused on getting to safety/putting them out, which would give Ramsey the cover needed to escape. It's not like he attacked in broad daylight.
Ramsey also didn't attack the horses. Many of them died due to the conditions in a previous episode, and Stannis plans use the remaining ones as food rations until he can rebuild his supply lines.
That seemed like a clear possibility to me, not sure why there was chest-pounding about people bringing up the likelihood in here with "Salty book purists who hate D&D lol"
indigo-cyclops
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So yea, Linda's lost it. But her meltdown opened my eyes to her villainy.
He has no way to rebuild his supplies. They were running out of food before Ramsey attacked, men deserting, horses dying etc. it was all falling apart the Ramsey attack put Stannis over the edge. If they don't immediately march to Winterfell they will starve in the wilderness or die in the snow.
At least Shireen didn't freeze to death... :-(
cartoon_soldier
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I would be glad at this point for final episode to just leak.
biosnake20
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I hope they show Jon get revived so she can go crazy again.
hydrophilic attack
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This is actually one thing I can buy. They are no longer slaves. They are hugging prostitutes instead of killing puppies. Some of them probably stopped taking the drugs that make them impervious to pain because they connect it with a past they want to forget. In short, they are going soft.
Remove the username if you have to quote it, wouldn't want the user to stumble on to this thread while searching his username.
schlongdog
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"I want to see him deal with the ramifications of what he's done. I want him to win Winterfell and then get stuck there for the long winter and stew a bit and see him question if it was worth it the whole time."
(Storm of Swords)
That's what I think "turned him into ash" means, he might just make it, but what does he have? Nothing. He might achieve his "destiny" then slowly be eaten alive by the guilt of what he's had to do to get there.
Or you know, Brienne could kill him.
This is kind of my fear now, that at this point they view any character who goes down before the endgame as expendable, so they can end them in any way that's most expeditious to get to the end as quickly as possible. We've seen it this already with Barristan and now probably Stannis.
Ambushes of one or two at a time, never mass battles in the streets or fighting pit.
Red Arremer
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They killed them unawares, not in actual combat.
The Unsullied are supposed to be among the best fighters in the world of ASoIaF.
The Unsullied are a commentary on the militarization of police in the US. Soldiers aren't police officers.
joking, sorta.
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The Smoking Bun
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With reference to the Shireen Bratheon getting burned outrage...
You know people who get upset and worked up with every little atrocity depicted in the show should probably read some real world history some time, the Holocaust would probably cause heart attacks. Dragon's being a thing doesn't excuse horrible things from happening. Their anger is so goddamn misplaced all the time, for example, Sansa's rape was a problem NOT because it was a rape but because it cheapens the character and reduces her to the frail damsel she started off as.
I thought this show was meant for adults
Is Shireen's death confirmed for the future books? Or something D&D came up with?
You know people who get upset and worked up with every little atrocity depicted in the show should probably read some real world history some time, the Holocaust would probably cause heart attacks. Dragon's being a thing doesn't excuse horrible things from happening. Their anger is so goddamn misplaced all the time, for example, Sansa's rape was a problem NOT because it was a rape but because it cheapens the character and reduces her to the frail damsel she started off as.
I thought this show was meant for adults
Is Shireen's death confirmed for the future books? Or something D&D came up with?
We can just lock the thread up for good after the finale ends, and start "Ramsay Bolton |OT| The King in the North".
schlongdog
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If there's a character who has to die that I'm intrigued to see how they do it, it's Melisandre
This is one of those things George came up with.
See, David, Dan, and George are all perverted sickos. Only one of them is a good writer.
The thing that really bothers me is that Stannis will be remembered for burning his own daughter.
Why would anyone rally behind a kinslayer who sacrifices their own child to some strange God from Essos.
This is why it is out of character for Stannis. Because it seals his fate. He's given up the endgame for a short term gain. It just doesn't make sense on any level.
Why would anyone rally behind a kinslayer who sacrifices their own child to some strange God from Essos.
This is why it is out of character for Stannis. Because it seals his fate. He's given up the endgame for a short term gain. It just doesn't make sense on any level.
Spirit of Jazz
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They're supposed to be elite fighters who specialise at defending against hordes of light armoured opponent who wield weapons with a short reach. Then the books state that they'd be useless at castle siege.
We can just lock the thread up for good after the finale ends, and start "Ramsay Bolton |OT| The King in the North".
There's only one king of the north, and he's called The night's king!
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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We can just lock the thread up for good after the finale ends, and start "Ramsay Bolton |OT| The King in the North".
He really needs his own spinoff show.
hipsterpants
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It's honestly lame as shit that he's probably going to be killed off by Brienne pretty soon, would be an interesting character arc...
Also I refuse to believe that we'll get a Jon revival scene next episode, that would be so dumb.
Red Arremer
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Dany and the Unsullied aren't Ramsay and his 20 men. They can't take one of the most heavily fortified cities in the region without siege weapons and just a few score of foot soldiers and a handful of bloodriders.
The Smoking Bun
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That's a bit harsh isn't it? I had Shireen pegged for the grill ever since Melisandre showed a certain dislike for her. It was only a matter of time.
You could however say that all this violence wears on the soul after a while and why should you even care about the story
But yes, most likely George will pull the scene of better
Anton Sugar
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No one here is seriously trying to retcon the show Unsullied as your average fighters, right?
I mean, Dani selected them for a reason, right? They're not just sellswords.
I mean, Dani selected them for a reason, right? They're not just sellswords.
I always knew David was keeping Dan down.
Red Arremer
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Yet they still got their ass handed to them by some noblemen in goofy halloween masks flailing about with knives. While the actual sellsword (Daario) is easily able to keep a horde of them at bay.
Imagine the entire cast 4-10 years younger across the board. Sansa, Arya, Dany, and Robb in particular.
Well, he's not fully grown yet. Although I'm pretty sure he was much bigger in the books than the show version by the time he visits the pit.
When Aegon the Conqueror came to Westeros, his dragon Balerion was huuuuge.
They're half-trained boys. They are not ready for combat. They are single-minded and perform as one unit, but they are not battle-tested.
There's no reason to expect that they'd beat Stannis' army with similar numbers for example.
schlongdog
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Remember Grey Worm, remember the Grey Worm and Missandei thing, what was the point in that hahahaha.
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