There'd be no point in the heroes fighting at that point.
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Admiral Woofington
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He sat on his arse at Storms End. Davos was the hero.
He met Renly when he was vastly outnumbered, shadow baby creation isn't really a military matter
He sailed into a trap at Blackwater failing to land his ships
He was stopped at the gates by a dwarf with no battle experience
He lingered too long at Castle Black meaning he was trapped in the snows
His victory at Dragonstone was inevitable as the Targaryen loyalists were already fleeing so his victory in the Iron Islands is his only solid win. Routing a wilding army is no real victory. Jeor Mormont was convinced he could take them with 300 good men.
Jeor is obviously no Ramsay.
Indeed. I still remember himas the hero character in Misfits, but even then he always carried a hint of menace that makes you feel uneasy.
I'm just gonna take a wild guess and say you didn't bother reading the essay I linked.
PhoenixDark
Banned
No mention of him outwitting the Iron Fleet I see...
Complaints aside, I would love 20 good men to ravage my camp. 
This next episode is gonna be pretty interesting. It'll give us a clearer picture on how they'll continue the show. If they have Dany encounter Dothraki, then they're actually going to be more faithful to her continued storyline than I expected. Pretty sure Jon's stabbing might be the culmination. Can't think of another scene from the books to end the season on.
This next episode is gonna be pretty interesting. It'll give us a clearer picture on how they'll continue the show. If they have Dany encounter Dothraki, then they're actually going to be more faithful to her continued storyline than I expected. Pretty sure Jon's stabbing might be the culmination. Can't think of another scene from the books to end the season on.
TheOctodad
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That's a strong straw man you are arguing with.
This story is an epic tale of heros/heroines and fantasy. On some level not everything is going to be realistic. It's an epic tale because it has epic occurrences in it. People want a story where the hero sometimes overcomes incredible odds. It's part of the heros journey. So the "sometimes people get lucky" is really about telling a story of heros facing overwhelming odds and still choosing to fight and (perhaps) becoming victorious.
Does that mean that there's not critiques to be leveled? Of course not. But to declare that a story can't have unlikely situations happen is equally ridiculous. Unlikely things happen every day. Sometimes they happen in stories too...
Admiral Woofington
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TheOctodad
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Guys, shirtless Ramsay is just a skin mod. He is still wearing heavy glass armor, it's just in his backpack.
Think about all the show-invented memes and meta-games these threads have inspired.
-Face Tyrell
-Olly the Slayer
-Karl Tanner the Fookin' Legend of Gin Alley
-Ironborn afraid of dogs
-Don't give up on the gravy.
-I'm gonna eat every fuckin' chicken in this room.
-Ramsay "20 Good Men" Bolton
-Daario is Euron
-Renly is not right.
-Loras "Gay Sex Every Night" Tyrell
-Ros who is in every scene for no damn reason until her death
-Stannis the Mannis, the grammar nazi, the child killer
-Margaery's astronaut suit
-Sexposition
-Arya wanting some of Gendry's fine ass.
-Littlefinger can teleport anywhere that takes everyone else months.
-Jon does nothing but brood.
-Ygritte's ridiculous accent.
-Littlefinger's sideways face, twirly mustache demeanor, always plotting to betray everyone including himself.
The list goes on and on.
-Face Tyrell
-Olly the Slayer
-Karl Tanner the Fookin' Legend of Gin Alley
-Ironborn afraid of dogs
-Don't give up on the gravy.
-I'm gonna eat every fuckin' chicken in this room.
-Ramsay "20 Good Men" Bolton
-Daario is Euron
-Renly is not right.
-Loras "Gay Sex Every Night" Tyrell
-Ros who is in every scene for no damn reason until her death
-Stannis the Mannis, the grammar nazi, the child killer
-Margaery's astronaut suit
-Sexposition
-Arya wanting some of Gendry's fine ass.
-Littlefinger can teleport anywhere that takes everyone else months.
-Jon does nothing but brood.
-Ygritte's ridiculous accent.
-Littlefinger's sideways face, twirly mustache demeanor, always plotting to betray everyone including himself.
The list goes on and on.
He's not beholden to the crown though. If he's not supposed to take part in the politics of the Kingdoms, then it's not on him to actively oppose Stannis, either. His priority should clearly be to preserve the Watch in pursuit of his vow to shield the realms of men. The Watch only cares about "treason" insofar as they don't want the King to wipe them out and they do want the King to support them by sending men up to the Wall. If the Lannisters are neglecting to contribute men and they obviously aren't about to march up and wipe out the Watch, then what's it matter he offers some minor support to Stannis who supported him in fulfilling his oath to the Watch?
You're using the word "oathbreaker" but nothing he's done so far breaks any part of the oath. Only when (if) he decides to ride off to Winterfell is there a problem, as he breaks his oath to live and die at his post.
Admiral Woofington
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I hereby vote Stannis the Mannis is changed to Stannis the Menace. After that shit no going back.
Steelyuhas
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Basic answer: It was deemed more important that Tyrion and Jorah get to her before season 7. Damn shame they didn't give Barristan a more interesting end.
The only one that matters. The one true king.
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Oh my, HBO finally replaced their flash hellhole of a website!
<3 BryndenBFish
I'm pretty inclined to think that Randyll Tarly is still the best, though, if only because every character in Westeros seems to agree. They know more than we do.
CrocMother
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Kinda sucks but after last week I have to tap out of this thread. There was no way I could not be spoiled Sunday morning browsing through. People were just openly discussing spoilers with spotty tagging.
I've read all the books but still really love the show!
Guess I'll just have to lurk the book thread to get unspoiled reactions (even though at this point book readers don't even know what's going to happen next!)
I've read all the books but still really love the show!
Guess I'll just have to lurk the book thread to get unspoiled reactions
(even though at this point book readers don't even know what's going to happen next!)Admiral Woofington
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Is the Roose still loose?
Guys...next episode what if:
-Arya kills Meryn Trant
-Jaqen scolds her for it
-Arya tells him it was because he killed Syrio Forel The First Sword of Braavos
-Jaqen reveals that he and Syrio are one in the same, and had the goal of finding Arya the whole time
-They hug while emotional music plays. The scene is beautiful.
-Cut to Jon being stabbed to death by Olly
-Arya kills Meryn Trant
-Jaqen scolds her for it
-Arya tells him it was because he killed Syrio Forel The First Sword of Braavos
-Jaqen reveals that he and Syrio are one in the same, and had the goal of finding Arya the whole time
-They hug while emotional music plays. The scene is beautiful.
-Cut to Jon being stabbed to death by Olly
harriet the spy
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Kinda sucks but after last week I have to tap out of this thread. There was no way I could not be spoiled Sunday morning browsing through. People were just openly discussing spoilers with spotty tagging.
I've read all the books but still really love the show!
Guess I'll just have to lurk the book thread to get unspoiled reactions
I agree that discussion of the shireen thing fucking sucked. Some of it was tagged, some of it not really, and some of it was indirectly referring to the event but not tagged (extensive discussion of whether the event was character appropriate for Stannis or not).
RatskyWatsky
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Holy shit, they did! MEGATON
I mean, there is unlikely, and there's immersion breaking. The Ramsay raid would never go down in ASOIAF and that's always going to cloud my vision, even if it's allowable within the logical framework (lol) set by Game of Thrones.
I didn't have problems with contrivances going Walt's way in Breaking Bad because they established the show as a pulpy, westernesque drama from the beginning.
Once again, my vision of ASOIAF is definitely scrutinizing the show more than casual viewers would, but I feel it fits the MO of this season of getting to "big events" by any means necessary, without the good buildup to back it up.
Steelyuhas
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This is nice, I can actually grab pictures without having to pull them out of the code.
I put this down in a worksheet recently, in case anyone else was curious.
Average episode runtimes:
S1: 56.7
S2: 54.9
S3: 56.1
S4: 55.2
S5: 56.4
C'mon dude we are so passed that now. Also, now that we've seen nearly all the episodes it was the right call. Now that Tyrion and Jorah have met back up with Dany their is no point to having him around for the show. There would be no way to give every "adviser" sufficient screen time with Barristan also still around. Hell, Daario finally got to say and do some stuff that was relevant last episode.
LAUGHTREY
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I'm still gettin the same website?
"Previously on Game of Thrones" will probably be extra long and take up most of the extra time.
Steelyuhas
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The "official" listed run times don't include "previously on" iirc.
TheOctodad
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I can absolutely respect that. I think there is a need perspective shift though of what the book world is able to do and what the show world is able to do. There are many casual viewers and not many casual readers. The show is going to be dumbed down and is required to be to be successful at all. It's not ideal, but it's the hand we are dealt with a show like this.
For me I'm ok with this level of unrealism in the show. I mean, sure, if John snow surfs down a staircase on a shield or we have Dany and her gang going down a river in barrels, I'm going to be pissed. But right now, the events that have happened can and do happen in real situations, so I am ok with it happening.
Mormont was an idiot, seeing as the Wildlings historically go toe-to-toe with the Night's Watch and Northern armies.
The Lannisters were fully committed against Robb; their armies never moved to fight anyone else. Robb's reputation as a great leader is based on his having annihilated two of the three armies the Lannisters raised against him while taking minimal losses. He had luck in places, to be sure, but the ultimate Lannister victory was pretty much purely based on luck too.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
AMC needs to get with this shit!
I don't think Locke was told to kill Jon Snow. Just find Bran and Rickon.
Admiral Woofington
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I believe that was a joke.
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OH FUCK ME.
I'M DYING.
bodyofanamerican
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I believe that was a joke.
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God. Dammit. Hahaha.
I believe that was a joke.
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LOL
SpaceHorror
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So GRRM discussed the show Night's King a bit in the comment section of his blog, if a bit indirectly. He even kind of criticizes the show's version, if only by stating his preference:
Thought about including spoilers, but as GRRM mentioned it openly on his blog, ah, to hell with it.
Thought about including spoilers, but as GRRM mentioned it openly on his blog, ah, to hell with it.
KingRagnar
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You're late bro.
SpaceHorror
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Atraveller
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I'm getting conflicted messages you guys.
J/K shitty writing but very nice tits.
LOL, it's even more ridiculous written down that way.
Bravo
biosnake20
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Damn Ramsay has a jetpack too?
oh wow so I'm not the only one who is bothered by this
Cornballer
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