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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 - Sundays on HBO
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Purple Cheeto
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Can't believe it took less than 15 minutes of episode 2 for Brienne's story to already be better than the thousands of words GURM wrote for her.
I liked Brienne's story in AFFC.
The Smoking Bun
Banned
Brienne in the show has become an RPG protagonist who goes around asking for quests but everyone's all like, "Nah! We cool! Have all the bear skins I need"
This was a much better episode overall than the premiere.
- Looking forward to seeing how Project Mayhem evolves now that Arya has enrolled.
- Did anyone else think Castle Stokeworth was too big? Not only that, but Jaime mentioned Bronn getting a bigger one?!
- I agree that the LC election fell flat, but Sam's speech was nice, and him putting Slynt in his place was hilarious.
- Not a fan of Dorne so far, although I like Siddig. Areo Hotah felt ridiculously cheesy and forced when he threatened to kill Ellarianne.
- Also in relation to Dorne - if you listen closely, you can hear that Trystaegon is literally just repeating "My future queen, hehehe *creepy laugh*" over and over in the background.
- Dany is an idiot.
- The Jon/Stannis scene was very good. Well acted by both. And Davos makes nice background furniture, just like Cat in Season 3.
- Everything else was pretty unremarkable - Tyrion and Varys, Brienne/Pod and Sansa/Littlefinger.
- Looking forward to seeing how Project Mayhem evolves now that Arya has enrolled.
- Did anyone else think Castle Stokeworth was too big? Not only that, but Jaime mentioned Bronn getting a bigger one?!
- I agree that the LC election fell flat, but Sam's speech was nice, and him putting Slynt in his place was hilarious.
- Not a fan of Dorne so far, although I like Siddig. Areo Hotah felt ridiculously cheesy and forced when he threatened to kill Ellarianne.
- Also in relation to Dorne - if you listen closely, you can hear that Trystaegon is literally just repeating "My future queen, hehehe *creepy laugh*" over and over in the background.
- Dany is an idiot.
- The Jon/Stannis scene was very good. Well acted by both. And Davos makes nice background furniture, just like Cat in Season 3.
- Everything else was pretty unremarkable - Tyrion and Varys, Brienne/Pod and Sansa/Littlefinger.
It's worse than that. The NPCs are actually turning her down for escort quests. No one likes escort quests, they're awful, and these NPCs won't even let a player who wants to do them take the quests on! RIP.
Purple Cheeto
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Well if being on GAF has taught me anything it is that there is a defense force for everything, no matter how universally awful or reviled it might be, so hey, you got that going for you.
Basileus777
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About a quarter of Brienne's AFFC quest was worthwhile, unfortunately GRRM bloated it up with a bunch of useless chapters
What the show does with Brienne isn't really all that compelling, but at least they get to the point.
because that's what he does post-ASOS.
What the show does with Brienne isn't really all that compelling, but at least they get to the point.
Enosh
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I kinda liked the parts where it had a look at how westeros is recovering from the war, Randyll Tarly bringing back order and law etc etc
the rest, pure shit yeah and i'm someone who quite enjoyed AFFC
The Smoking Bun
Banned
Hands up, who said that
would return in Braavos? Seems obvious since that actor & character had received a very good response from the audience
- Dany really needs a Terminator now to help her keep the peace in Mereen
- I enjoyed the election scene and the Janos roast before that
- Arya seems on her way to learn the ways of hidden blades, eagle vision and leaps of faith, though I have a feeling they will soften the Faceless Men somehow
- Selyse seemed to be talking to us when she said, "All your books and you still don't know"
- Dorne didn't catch my eye though I dread the bowdlerization of the sand sisters, please don't have them flipping around like Daredevil
Jaquen should have said, "I'm back" or "Did you miss me?" or "Here's lookin at you kid" or some equally cheeseball one liner. And I would have enjoyed it
Jaquen H'gar
- Dany really needs a Terminator now to help her keep the peace in Mereen
- I enjoyed the election scene and the Janos roast before that
- Arya seems on her way to learn the ways of hidden blades, eagle vision and leaps of faith, though I have a feeling they will soften the Faceless Men somehow
- Selyse seemed to be talking to us when she said, "All your books and you still don't know"
- Dorne didn't catch my eye though I dread the bowdlerization of the sand sisters, please don't have them flipping around like Daredevil
Jaquen should have said, "I'm back" or "Did you miss me?" or "Here's lookin at you kid" or some equally cheeseball one liner. And I would have enjoyed it
PHOENIXZERO
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Yeah, I could've taken less Brienne stuff and more for the election, even better they could've set up the election and Jon's nomination in the first episode and paid it off here instead of giving it one short scene. Don't mind Jaqen being used again, makes sense in the show to an extent. Glad they didn't avoid showing that Dany isn't infallible and finally knows her father actually earned his nickname. Obviously what happened to Lollys was changed since she wasn't shown until now but they seemed to make her less simple along changing her appearance, convenient that Cersei screwed him... Unless Jaime actually set it up. *shrug*
But why would he? IMO they did no where close to enough to build up that decision.
Yeah, it's annoying how suddenly her list on the show has gotten smaller, gonna guess it means we won't see Ilyn Payne (even though his actor has recovered), Beric Dondarrion or Thoros again.
They haven't even set up Dorne's laws regarding succession, hell they even cut his actual heir... I still find it funny that they aged up Tommen with a new actor but didn't do the same with Myrcella and even cast someone younger than her original actress.
But why would he? IMO they did no where close to enough to build up that decision.
Yeah, it's annoying how suddenly her list on the show has gotten smaller, gonna guess it means we won't see Ilyn Payne (even though his actor has recovered), Beric Dondarrion or Thoros again.
They haven't even set up Dorne's laws regarding succession, hell they even cut his actual heir... I still find it funny that they aged up Tommen with a new actor but didn't do the same with Myrcella and even cast someone younger than her original actress.
Moff
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Brienne's chapters were boring but at least they didn't take me out of the story of the books due to the ridiculousness and stupidity of the writing. First, there's yet another coincidence of Brienne running into a Stark girl. Then there's Littlefinger not hiding Sansa and taking her out to a public tavern. There's Brienne calling out Sansa's name in the public tavern. She does know that Sansa is wanted for regicide, right? It's hard to believe she'd be that much of an idiot. There's Brienne saying the same stuff she said to Arya that didn't work. Why would she expect this to go any differently? Brienne is a complete stranger to them. Why would she think they would go with her? There's Brienne causing a scene instead of doing the smarter thing and laying back and following Sansa. Finally, we have a pointless and dull chase scene that had no suspense and added nothing.
I liked last week's episode. I thought this was mostly a bad one with the only really good scenes being the ones on the Wall and Kevan dressing down Cersei. There are so many characters they give time to that it seems like nothing ever gets accomplished in an episode.
Moff
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most of this is the same in the books, though, isnt it? briennes quest is foolish, everyone knows that.
I agree though that brienne calling out her name was especially stupid, I couldnt believe it when she did that, but hoenstly, it had me on the edge of my seat the entire time. I was dying to know what would happen now. and that is infinitely better than what we got in AFFC, I put the book away for YEARS during a brienne chapter.
and that kind of thrill (well it worked for me) is new for me watching the show, it was a completely new experience and I can't wait to see more stuff like this in this season and the next.
Sansa: "What happened to Renly?"
Brienne: "He got killed by an evil shadow."
I can't believe Sansa didn't want to go with her. I thought Brienne made a pretty strong case.
The Smoking Bun
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She should have said it was as assassin and he had Stannis's dagger or something
Even in Harry Potter where it's magical all the time they don't go, "Oh it was a shadow!"
toastyToast
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So The House of Black and White is The House of Jaqen White? Kind of kills the scope of their organisation if it is that. Jaqen is just a face, Then again the kind man knows the identities that the assassins get so it makes sense that he could do that but why? Takes away from the intrigue
The blind thing won't seem like as big a deal if she has a friend there
The blind thing won't seem like as big a deal if she has a friend there
PHOENIXZERO
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Brienne's purpose in the books seemed like it was basically world building which they don't really need so much in the show, I guess in the show she's going to be taking Mance's place but instead of saving fake Arya it'll be real Sansa?
The Viewer's Guide for this episode has the following image in its gallery.
Typically, only images that come directly from episode-specific scenes are included. So, any thoughts on this and why it may have been cut/moved from this episode? Melisandre outside in the daytime, surrounded by Baratheon soldiers. Is that a wildling wearing the hood?
Here's another, wider shot.
Typically, only images that come directly from episode-specific scenes are included. So, any thoughts on this and why it may have been cut/moved from this episode? Melisandre outside in the daytime, surrounded by Baratheon soldiers. Is that a wildling wearing the hood?
Here's another, wider shot.
The Smoking Bun
Banned
I wish it was Sean Bean just to screw with everyone, a ratings boosting stunt
Monocle
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I hope this won't turn into Diet Game of Thrones again like the end of Season 4, where all sorts of interesting events are rushed and dumbed down for a general audience. It's kind of looking that way with the accelerated and altered plotlines for nearly every major character. Why can't this show have Breaking Bad caliber writers? HBO must be pinching pennies instead of hiring the best talent. They know people will eat it up regardless.
So far this season is great visually and not so great in the other areas.
So far this season is great visually and not so great in the other areas.
She should have looked Littlefinger in the eye and said:
"Other forces. Daaaaahhhhk forces."
At the end of the show, Bronn will rule the Seven Kingdoms with Jaqen H'gar as his Master of Whisperers
Basileus777
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The quality of TV writers probably has little correlation to how much you pay them.
It was a pollaxe. Though it looked pretty speary.
Like the first episode, the second had a lot of setup and reintroductions. That's the nature of these early episodes though, and overall it was enjoyable and had some important moments.
+Braavos is visually impressive and the House of Black and White is almost identical to how I imagined it (well the outside at least). I don't know why people are cringing at the fact that Jaqen came back. First of all, we don't even know if it's truly him or just someone using that face. I also doubt he will be as aloof as he was in season two once Arya undergoes her training. I do miss the Kindly Man's skull face though.
+The guy who plays Doran did a great job in his brief scene. If he can nail his big moment later on, he will be one of the stand out new actors this season.
+Did you see that Vale knight's sword shatter? Dat Valyrian Steel.
+The show is doing a good job of revealing how Tywin was basically the only thing holding the Lannisters together and that Cersei lacks his pragmatism or will. The Kevan speech was very well done. I've read some criticism that he should have done it in private, but I think it further emphasizes the fact that people are more willing to speak out against Cersei now that Tywin is gone.
+I know people are criticizing Dany for being stupid, but she's supposed to be stupid at this point in the story. She does what she thinks shows that she treats everyone equally and violence against each other is not tolerated, but in turn weakens the support from the large majority of the city. I gotta wonder why Daario was the headtaker though.
+Qyburn is wonderfully creepy.
- I liked the discussions and pitches during the election, but this thing came way too fast. It is a major event and it was basically treated as any other scene in a random episode. Jon Snow goes from random bastard to Lord Commander. IT'S A BIG DEAL. Aemon laughing at Slynt was funny though.
- Tyrion's been in a box for two episodes. Can he get out of the box? His best moments are when he's not in a box.
- I don't buy Ellaria turning into some crazy madwoman who wants to horribly dismember a child. That's not something Oberyn would have wanted. I can understand her wanting to go to war with the Lannisters, but killing Myrcella seems out of character.
I gotta wonder though where is REEK? He has the best chapters in ADWD and yet we won't see him until the third episode of the season? I felt like he was really underutilized last season even though all of his scenes were very good.
Rentahamster
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I'm not sure why, but a feeling just came over me that I would like to play Game of Thrones Musou.The Viewer's Guide for this episode has the following image in its gallery.
Typically, only images that come directly from episode-specific scenes are included. So, any thoughts on this and why it may have been cut/moved from this episode? Melisandre outside in the daytime, surrounded by Baratheon soldiers. Is that a wildling wearing the hood?
Here's another, wider shot.
Yeah baby
TheNamesPlissken
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Surprised people aren't more excited about Mormont's message being included...
Cpt.Underpants
Member
I was all giggity when I read that, especially when Stannis got annoyed by it
Shuggananas
Banned
The last one is so fucking true though lol, who the hell thought writing this in english was a good idea
Byakuya769
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Nah. Brienne bumbling into encounters with Starks that don't want her help has been silly through and through.
Basileus777
Member
It's not English, it's the Westerosi common tongue. It's not really that farfetched that someone would write it in the language their ruler speaks.
The Smoking Bun
Banned
They should do it like anime where they have Japanese signs with closed caption translation
gigantor21
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It's absolutely better than seeing her wandering around aimlessly before getting half her face bitten off and narrowly avoiding a hanging she didn't deserve.
Shuggananas
Banned
So now Brienne is gonna wander around and find the hound digging graves and shit ? Right ?
Exterminieren
Banned
Moff
Member
but that writing on the wall was from season 3 or 4 when they killed the slavers, they don't speak common westerosi, and the slaves who wrote it didnt speak it either. It really didn't make sense at all.
petethepanda
Member
The idea of Jon being Lord Commander is brought up and resolved in a single scene? Really?
Other than that, great episode. Still on board with almost all changes.
Other than that, great episode. Still on board with almost all changes.
Atraveller
Banned
Seriously, what's the rush?
I get that Brienne's quest is "new content" but considering that shit's not going to happen in the books it's hard to bring myself to care.
Similarly with Jaime and Bronn going to Dorne, the removal of Arianne, Quentyn, and a handful of other (seemingly) important Dornish characters, I'm expecting a lot of filler, like Jaime and Bronn defeating the Sand Snakes like video game bosses. "They all have different abilities, how will a one handed knight and a lowborn sellsword outwit them?"
Jon's election as the Lord Commander was so rushed - they didn't even say what shape his token was, so when Aemon dropped a token in the middle, the viewers didn't even know what that meant until people started cheering "Snow!".
I'm getting apprehensive about this season. If they don't do justice to the big plot twists I'm going to be disappointed because this is the last chance they get to represent the books before it is in full-on "might be filler" territory:
* Cersei's Walk of Shame / Robert Strong
* Drogon in the Fighting Pits
* Jon Snow's "death"
Arya's scenes could be good but there's no giant plot twists left besides going blind which is then reversed one chapter later, so I can see them cutting it if they have other episode cliffhangers in mind.
Similarly with Jaime and Bronn going to Dorne, the removal of Arianne, Quentyn, and a handful of other (seemingly) important Dornish characters, I'm expecting a lot of filler, like Jaime and Bronn defeating the Sand Snakes like video game bosses. "They all have different abilities, how will a one handed knight and a lowborn sellsword outwit them?"
Jon's election as the Lord Commander was so rushed - they didn't even say what shape his token was, so when Aemon dropped a token in the middle, the viewers didn't even know what that meant until people started cheering "Snow!".
I'm getting apprehensive about this season. If they don't do justice to the big plot twists I'm going to be disappointed because this is the last chance they get to represent the books before it is in full-on "might be filler" territory:
* Cersei's Walk of Shame / Robert Strong
* Drogon in the Fighting Pits
* Jon Snow's "death"
Arya's scenes could be good but there's no giant plot twists left besides going blind which is then reversed one chapter later, so I can see them cutting it if they have other episode cliffhangers in mind.
I didn't cringe at the fact that Jaqen was brought back. I don't care if it's him or another faceless man using his face. It's just that it was done in an incredibly clumsy way and Arya's scenes didn't make any sense in this episode after she got off the boat.
cartoon_soldier
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Can't find drogon gif anywhere 
Cornballer
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Warming Glow has a bunch, but I'm not sure if it includes exactly what you're looking for.Can't find drogon gif anywhere
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