-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 - Sundays on HBO
- Thread starter Steelyuhas
- Start date
- Status
How can they get spoiled?
Sansa's TWOW chapter, which can't happen in the show?
Rabbit Lord
Member
That's amazing.
I really don't see what there is to spoil, LSH isn't going to be in the show so other than that they're as caught up as we are, more so in fact.
m_shortpants
Member
There's a few major plot points that never happened in the show.
Yeah it doesn't bother me either. I started as a show watcher though, so I could see how a book first fan may not like that.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Wait, so Lady Stoneheart... is that not happening in the show? I got this spoiled for me a while ago and briefly thought we would see Cat be resurrected after Jon's death. Do you think she'll be in the show? Is she not a major character in the books?
Kinda-sorta.
Entire storylines are not present. Massive ones too.
It is unclear whether they are being dropped or rearranged timeline-wise.
Either way, this thread is still not safe.
bengraven
Member
Stannis is dead, I think, after watching David talk about it. I'm pretty sure he's dead dead.
Actually I do believe everything is covered FOR THE CHARACTERS WE KNOW. There are other characters who have stories that go back at least two books and at least one of them will be introduced next year. So bits of his story might trickle in.
Honestly I think we should just do one thread next year.
Actually I do believe everything is covered FOR THE CHARACTERS WE KNOW. There are other characters who have stories that go back at least two books and at least one of them will be introduced next year. So bits of his story might trickle in.
Honestly I think we should just do one thread next year.
I expect similar posts in the re-read thread.Didn't want to have future scenes spoiled, so I just made notes while watching.
This is what it's like to watch GOT with me.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Nah, she doesn't do anything except try to kill Brienne and Jaime, and they're both busy doing stupid shit.
She's almost certainly not an end-game character which is the big difference. Same with Connington, Arianne, etc.
Except for things that are 99% surely cut from the show wholesale, show watchers and bookreaders are now pretty much exactly on the same page, minus a few sample chapters from TWOW.
And a lot of prophecy stuff that is hinted throughout the books that they failed to convey properly in the show. (like Jon's parentage, a 'chosen one' hero, certain dream sequences, etc)
NJDEN
Member
Dusk Soldier
Member
You're not trailned on how to use the faces properly until you become "no one." It looks like they set up the blindness to be a side effect of whatever mask she put on.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Kevan
"Meanwhile, at sea..."
cj_iwakura
Member
Are we allowed to post in the no book thread if we don't mention the books? Because I think we're all in the same boat now.
Like all the "obvious" theories that haven't been solidified on the show. And the characters they haven't even cast yet on the show but, might show up next season.
Basileus777
Member
Oh and I like how the finale basically confirms that Barristan was killed off on the show just so his role in the books could go to Tyrion since one character is more popular than the other. Lulz.
But that's one of the few smart changes they've made this season!
Mr. Wonderful
Member
No Tonberry! Not you too!
Sho_Nuff82
Member
So...the Arya murder and the Jaquen "we are all no one" scenes were pretty good. Cersei's walk was suitably raw.
That's all I got.
A lot of it has to do with how genuinely unsatisfying most of the ADWD ending was. The Theon/Mance stuff, Victarion, Jaime being a badass negotiator, the LSH stinger, the Doran swerve, the pink letter, Manderly doing North thangs, the Varys/Pycelle/Kevan outro...this stuff carried the novel. I can understand cutting the travel logs and the Eyrie and Arianne/Quentin and the kingsmoot and even the battle for Mereen. But cutting off perhaps 5 or 6 of the actual satisfying storyline resolutions really, really hurt the season.
If a few of these things are moved to season 6 the show can be salvaged, but as of right now the format restrictions are really hurting the product.
Dorne was far and away the worst series of mistakes D&D made in the show. Nothing was compelling all season long. You could have replaced all of the sandsnakes with Arianne and Aerys Oakhart and had genuine intrigue, a meaningful death, an actual romance that didn't come off as silly, and Doran looking somewhat competent. Should've kept Jaime/Bronn team-up but move it to Riverrun all season, have Brienne/Pod get kidnapped early on and put her on a bus all season, have Brienne return in Ep 9 like "Jaime I need help!" and closed the season with the LSH reveal.
There was no need for the urgency of Myrcella's death. It's an awful plan. Ellaria just sent her nephew in law (or whatever) into Cersei's clutches with a reason to butcher him. Smart.
Jon I don't mind. Sam had to go for Oldtown to happen. The stabbing felt unsatisfying when I read it, just kind of formulaic here. Nothing like the red wedding. I don't think anyone believes it, so they should have teased something.
That's all I got.
A lot of it has to do with how genuinely unsatisfying most of the ADWD ending was. The Theon/Mance stuff, Victarion, Jaime being a badass negotiator, the LSH stinger, the Doran swerve, the pink letter, Manderly doing North thangs, the Varys/Pycelle/Kevan outro...this stuff carried the novel. I can understand cutting the travel logs and the Eyrie and Arianne/Quentin and the kingsmoot and even the battle for Mereen. But cutting off perhaps 5 or 6 of the actual satisfying storyline resolutions really, really hurt the season.
If a few of these things are moved to season 6 the show can be salvaged, but as of right now the format restrictions are really hurting the product.
Dorne was far and away the worst series of mistakes D&D made in the show. Nothing was compelling all season long. You could have replaced all of the sandsnakes with Arianne and Aerys Oakhart and had genuine intrigue, a meaningful death, an actual romance that didn't come off as silly, and Doran looking somewhat competent. Should've kept Jaime/Bronn team-up but move it to Riverrun all season, have Brienne/Pod get kidnapped early on and put her on a bus all season, have Brienne return in Ep 9 like "Jaime I need help!" and closed the season with the LSH reveal.
There was no need for the urgency of Myrcella's death. It's an awful plan. Ellaria just sent her nephew in law (or whatever) into Cersei's clutches with a reason to butcher him. Smart.
Jon I don't mind. Sam had to go for Oldtown to happen. The stabbing felt unsatisfying when I read it, just kind of formulaic here. Nothing like the red wedding. I don't think anyone believes it, so they should have teased something.
cj_iwakura
Member
I hope there's an outtake with everyone from the entire cast showing up, even Ned and Robert.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Weird. When I heard of her coming back I thought it would be a major revenge tour... but going after Jaime and Brienne? Come on Cat. Time to read some wikis.
m_shortpants
Member
No pink letter, no Jon speech....I think it's pretty unclear why they killed Jon for non-book readers.
Atraveller
Banned
You know what? I'm going to join you. Gonna wash the bad taste out with the books.
Passing up an explicit view of Stannis' death in a show that, if nothing else, relishes taking that shit to the max is a pretty clear indication of how things ended there.
They're gonna meet up with Theon and Sansa and form Final Fantasy Vesteros: Paladin, Dark Knight, White Mage, Thief.
iRAWRasaurus
Banned
Nice nice
There's a lot of travelling and moving pieces in AFFC and ADWD, to properly adapt it would take too long and honestly it wouldn't make good tv, not that I'm saying their revisions have been much better.
cj_iwakura
Member
I guess the wildings was more than fuel enough.
The last two books happen in the same time frame, but focus on different characters
Dusk Soldier
Member
lolwut? You know that Stannis has a small army right?
After giving it some thought and seeing some other theories, I think this is likely.
And if anyone has a right to do in Stannis it is Davos.
I'll take it.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Yeah. She kills Freys too, but they went the way of Balon in the show. The show's so bad lol
It was pretty obvious this was what they were going for from the start.
Been a book reader for a long time. The show spoilage just doesn't bother me. Of course I wish the show were higher quality and more faithful to some incredible material but it is what it is.
Basileus777
Member
I was worried about how much they were trying to cram into this episode before it happened and the result doesn't really surprised me. It was a rushed mess. The whole season suffered from trying to do too much in too little time. Maybe if they had cut out more and devoted more time to fewer plotlines things would have worked out better, but they'd probably just fuck things up in different ways.
Oh well, we'll always have seasons 1 and 4. And maybe GRRM will publish another book one day.
Oh well, we'll always have seasons 1 and 4. And maybe GRRM will publish another book one day.
bengraven
Member
I expect similar posts in the re-read thread.
Definitely. Most definitely. I can't wait.
petethepanda
Member
This has become one of the most reliably predictable shows on TV. The non-readers I watch with have called every single thing at this point.
Olly's MUH FAMLY
bengraven
Member
cj_iwakura
Member
Jon was a LOT stupider in the books. "Come on guys, let's desert the watch because WINTERFELL!!"
His stabbing felt far more sympathetic here.
LegendofJoe
Member
The fact that they didn't bother to do the Davos Manderly scenes really hurt the flow of this season. It would have given team Stark something to hold onto until season 6 and it would have been more satisfying to see the back and forth between them and the Freys. It's really disappointing that none of those chapters made it to the screen. It's some of the best writing Martin has done in the entire series.
- Status