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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 - Sundays on HBO
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m_shortpants
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Beelzebufo
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FfC and DwD seem really boring and straightforward at first because the plots are actually really subtle, and the books immensely reward rereads in order to fully understand character motivations and consequences.
It's like D&D just read over the Wikipedia summary and said "well these things have to happen I guess, what a boring book. Let's spice it up!"
Sickboy007
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I really don't know what they wanted to accomplish with Stannis's execution. It just looked weird to me.
RatskyWatsky
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hrmm...which characters do the changes/spoilers happen to?
thank god. do they reveal what happened to him though?
helloresolven
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Welp. I think I'm out. Good bye show, you were fun while you lasted. It was great seeing the first few books brought to life.
But, GRRM, please make me forget this shit with a brilliant new book, that's my only hope.
But, GRRM, please make me forget this shit with a brilliant new book, that's my only hope.
He never claimed that the throne was his by right.
He actually stated something along the lines of "There were Targaryen heirs after Aerys, but that didn't stop Robert from claiming the throne"
m_shortpants
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Ugh ugh ugh.
Can't get over how bad that was.
Can't get over how bad that was.
grandjedi6
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That was obvious as hell once Tyrion actually reached Dany. Wasn't the actor even pissed about it for that very reason?Oh and I like how the finale basically confirms that Barristan was killed off on the show just so his role in the books could go to Tyrion since one character is more popular than the other. Lulz.
Correct. He claimed it by right of conquest, which by all accounts he would have succeeded had Stannis not shadow assassinated him.
Cellbomber
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Hearing horses two miles away? You know people got stampeded back in the day by herds of way more buffalo cause they didn't hear it in time. Just saying....
Oh and I like how the finale basically confirms that Barristan was killed off on the show just so his role in the books could go to Tyrion since one character is more popular than the other. Lulz.
Don't complain. This decision probably saved us from hearing ''Where do whores go" a hundred times.
m_shortpants
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nope.
Atraveller
Banned
When Olly said Benjen, my dad and my sister said "Who's Benjen?"
Well, that was kind of a trainwreck
D&D have never liked Stannis, and that shines through in this episode. I have no doubt that Stannis will die in the books, but it won't be anything like this. Ridiculous, to the end, from half the army leaving with nobody noticing, to Stannis just walking up to Winterfell, to somehow ending up in the woods completely alone just so Brienne can appear to kill him.
And Sansa's Winterfell story can officially be declared a complete waste of her character development, as she did nothing all season but re-enact her season 2 story, and all the things people suggested might be manipulations were in fact just "cool" one-liners. Apparently, putting a Stark in Winterfell means absolutely nothing.
Arya's storyline finally got good (apart from the scene opening with Meryn beating the three girls; yeesh, why was that necessary? We already know he's a villain), and had a very effective ending.
I thought Cersei's story was also done well, and I found it interesting how the last few episodes have mimicked the books' POV approach, in that we see nothing of King's Landing beyond what she sees.
They botched "For the Watch" completely. If Thorne was going to kill Jon based on the stuff he'd already done, why the hell did he let him through the gates last episode? Because when the Pink Letter is removed, that's all he's acting on.
Oh, and Dorne. Goddamn Dorne, with the Sand Snakes' brilliant plan to get Trystane immediately killed. Though I did enjoy that Bronn survived, validating my conviction the idea that he was going to die based on nothing beyond the fact that Arys Oakheart, a character with no connection whatsoever to Bronn's role in the show, died, was dumb.
D&D have never liked Stannis, and that shines through in this episode. I have no doubt that Stannis will die in the books, but it won't be anything like this. Ridiculous, to the end, from half the army leaving with nobody noticing, to Stannis just walking up to Winterfell, to somehow ending up in the woods completely alone just so Brienne can appear to kill him.
And Sansa's Winterfell story can officially be declared a complete waste of her character development, as she did nothing all season but re-enact her season 2 story, and all the things people suggested might be manipulations were in fact just "cool" one-liners. Apparently, putting a Stark in Winterfell means absolutely nothing.
Arya's storyline finally got good (apart from the scene opening with Meryn beating the three girls; yeesh, why was that necessary? We already know he's a villain), and had a very effective ending.
I thought Cersei's story was also done well, and I found it interesting how the last few episodes have mimicked the books' POV approach, in that we see nothing of King's Landing beyond what she sees.
They botched "For the Watch" completely. If Thorne was going to kill Jon based on the stuff he'd already done, why the hell did he let him through the gates last episode? Because when the Pink Letter is removed, that's all he's acting on.
Oh, and Dorne. Goddamn Dorne, with the Sand Snakes' brilliant plan to get Trystane immediately killed. Though I did enjoy that Bronn survived, validating my conviction the idea that he was going to die based on nothing beyond the fact that Arys Oakheart, a character with no connection whatsoever to Bronn's role in the show, died, was dumb.
Myrcella, Stannis, and Brienne are the big ones off the top of my head.
I think you expressed my feelings exactly.
Brienne might try to use him in a play to get Sansa from the Boltons. But, yeah, don't know what the endgame would be there.
Emerson
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No. It's a ruse to get Jon cornered.
You're playing with fire though. You've either gotta stop watching or stop being so concerned with book spoilers.
Oh and I like how the finale basically confirms that Barristan was killed off on the show just so his role in the books could go to Tyrion since one character is more popular than the other. Lulz.
Hasn't Barristan's role essentially been filled, though? There's no need for a coup, because Hizdahr is dead and the Harpy raid seems to have been unsuccessful.
Although if your speaking for Barristan's presumable role in Winds, then you might be right.
Beelzebufo
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Stannis got Barristaned.
cartoon_soldier
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Now I wonder if Jon is dead for good
Just watch the episode then never watch the show again.
This actually makes me wonder if Barristan actually lives and was killed off specifically to have his role filled by Tyrion.
hendersonhank
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What's funny is that in the book you just find out he's dead in a letter Jon reads from Ramsey, no doubt killed by some random soldier. That's certainly awesomely written and not disappointing.
Not true at all. Some of the absolute high points of the series were Hardhome, Cersei/Robert conversation, Oberyn/Tyrion conversation, probably others I'm forgetting...none of which were written by George (iirc).
Yeah... because that letter is totally truthfacts.
helloresolven
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Wait, people think Stannis died? I thought it sounded like Brienne got hit before she could swing her sword?
I thought this as well!
Yeah, had to explain benjen here too
Beelzebufo
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Hardhome was the closest we've had the show switch to being a Michael Bay film, and it came at the cost of one of the wonderful arcs that everyone is saying D&D ruined. The Hardhome stuff pretty much exemplifies everything wrong with this show.
And if you honestly got that from the pink letter, you didn't understand book five haha.
Why should Stannis continue to live? There is very little point.
The Baratheon culling is complete with his death. That is a worthy goal.
That was a mess. I can't wait for the book to see how different the Stannis thing and the Reek turn is.... Too bad it won't even be this year.
And then after that one, the whole TV series will be over before the next book. I guess I need to look at them as two totally separate things.
And then after that one, the whole TV series will be over before the next book. I guess I need to look at them as two totally separate things.
The Oberyn/Tyrion conversation is basically word for word from the books.
I dunno. In the books Qyburn was having armor made that was too big and too heavy for any mortal man. I didn't expect him to be wearing regular old Kingsguard gear, I was expecting him to be some kind of walking man-tank with a billowing white cape.
Them cutting out Cersei falling into his arms in a dramatic fashion was kind of a meek way to go about it. In the book she couldn't even make it to the door, she had to be carried by her monstrous champion. Whatev's.
MRrogermoore
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Cersei's head was CGI on that nude walk scene right?
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