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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 - Sundays on HBO
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My hope is that:
-Brienne spares Stannis and allows him to take the black (where Stannis could become the new Lord Commander).
-Jon Snow is revived by Melissandre, and since he's released from his vows, he can go with a few thousand wildlings and take over Winterfell with his new Lord of Light Super Saiyan powers.
But no, all of the worst things in the world will happen and this show/books won't have a happy ending.
God damn, what a rollercoaster of emotions I'm going through right now, this is like 2011 all over again when I finished reading the book.
-Brienne spares Stannis and allows him to take the black (where Stannis could become the new Lord Commander).
-Jon Snow is revived by Melissandre, and since he's released from his vows, he can go with a few thousand wildlings and take over Winterfell with his new Lord of Light Super Saiyan powers.
But no, all of the worst things in the world will happen and this show/books won't have a happy ending.
God damn, what a rollercoaster of emotions I'm going through right now, this is like 2011 all over again when I finished reading the book.
A snow bank that was melted.
He'll go along with Mel on her wacky journey to revive Jon.
Obliterator
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Thing is, that doesn't make it good though. Something can be part of the "overarching theme" and still be shit.
If Jon is dead, this story is shit imo
R'hllor melted all the snow. Melisandre said so!
...isn't that what happened in the books? They just jumped off the fucking wall?
ChaosZeroX
Banned
That was a body double. Still hot though lol. Fuck Ramsay. I hope Theon is back for good.
FTW was brutal. Watching it was worse then reading it.
Beelzebufo
Banned
I mean, you made book Doran look a lot cooler by leaving out the stuff where he sends his son on a suicide mission that can only end in war while simultaneously lamenting war, but still.
I thought Stannis getting his ass kicked after losing half his men to mutiny was an extremely realistic way to end things.
It certainly beat the shit way they killed his daughter last episode.
The Boltons may not be known as this great army and Ramsay may be a god king, but I totally bought that Stannis actually LOST this battle by sacrificing Shireen.
It certainly beat the shit way they killed his daughter last episode.
The Boltons may not be known as this great army and Ramsay may be a god king, but I totally bought that Stannis actually LOST this battle by sacrificing Shireen.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Why did they send out an army? It really doesn't make sense.
And of course, the problems I'm talking about stretch far back throughout the season. It's all been terrible. Like the only reason Stannis had to sacrifice Shireen was because he made stupid decisions mixed with magical convenience and 20 good men.
Obliterator
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I do agree, I like the way they handled that. It was believable. At that point his men realized how fucking crazy Stannis has become and just bailed. After watching the dude burn his own daughter alive I can't really say I blame them
DrForester
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Arnold has weighed in on the finale.
That would be nice. If Jon is dead, then the only thing GRRM is good at is taking past historical events and changing the names of people and combining it all into one series because you gotta have vikings, mongols, knights, Cordoba, myrish swamps.
Byakuya769
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Half of his army was comprised of nonbelievers...
One of the worlds greatest military minds going out into an open field to make camp in broad daylight outside the enemies gates with half his army gone and no equipment to be seen.
Realistic.
The Bolton army was bolstered by the sellswords that defected from Stannis, hence why they were all on horses.
Lol yeah...definite long shot but I guess it was the best she could do?
Finished the episode. Really liked it!
Laughing at my show-only friend who texted me right after and was all "FUCK THIS SHOW I'M OUT".
Even if it isn't done via Ghost in the show, I highly doubt that's the last of Jon.
They sent out the men because they had hundreds of Stannis' deserters on their side, and Stannis had no cavalry.
Even if you weren't batshit crazy like Ramsay, wouldn't YOU send out mounted men to ride down unmounted men?
Beelzebufo
Banned
Why not just starve him out a few days like they said before?
But I mean regardless, everything else I said still holds true yeah? Like why did Stannis even use sells words in the first place? They made him a bad commander for convenience sake. The stuff this episode was just the culmination of all the hack writing in the past episodes.
grandjedi6
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Guys, don't fall for the lies that Kit isn't coming back. He obviously is.
LegalEagleMike
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Hopefully someone has Witcher senses.
As realistic as continuing on a blind quest to take an iron chair because you're written as a man who feels it's his duty to be king.
You name one general in world history who wouldn't have at least fallen back and regrouped after what Stannis faced in the books.
Burning his daughter in the first place was unbelievable. In the books he makes a point of no burning because he'd lose the unbelievers. D&D inserted some hackneyed scheme with their awful shirtless demi-god version of Ramsey and his "twenty good men" in order to try and make Stannis look forced into it, even though there are literally no circumstances where he would burn his own daughter.
Sorry, but bullshit. It's not a blind quest no more than Renly or Robb's campaigns were "blind quests." Stannis even got the backing of the Iron Bank, but that plot point conveniently vanished in this season.
ChaosZeroX
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I doubt hes going to Warg. His last word was Olly. Mel is guaranteed to resurrect him at this point.
Unless they burn him and hes reborn as a Dragon.
LegalEagleMike
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Let the Mercs lead the charge, fewer mercs to pay.
Half his army is gone. Those that are left are tired and demoralized. Why risk a siege when you now not only have much more men than him, but also all of his horses?
Beelzebufo
Banned
That's fine, but he shouldn't even have mercs because they'd obviously do that. That's why he doesn't have mercs in the books, because he's not stupid.
elrechazado
Banned
He sent his son as an emissary. Nobody had any idea that mereen would be besieged and volantis going to war when he sent him. Nobles travel to Essos all the time. So, wrong on that point.
He also didn't lament war at all. He was a careful plotter and stone cold realist who knew that dorne couldn't fight the seven kingdoms alone and was planning a an alliance with the targs to start a true civil war, not just lol dorne vs everyone like the sand snakes and Arianne (initially) wanted.
Not sure you read the books even if you're so dead wrong about what happens in them.
If the books were so shit (which I don't agree, I thought it was mostly ok aside from some characters) then why didn't they change things for the better? I mean they already picked and chose stuff or changed things entirely, and it was still a weak season (and it wasn't because of the book storylines).
The best things the show has done this season that was different from the books was remove Tyrion's stupidly long journey and adding the Hardhome battle. lol
How much money does it take to weather a snowstorm in medieval times?
Admiral Woofington
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she obviously took off her ring because damn son look at all dem hot boys, gotta make it clear she's single.
ALL THE SINGLE LADIES!
Beelzebufo
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Okay, this is all wrong haha. His son is clearly not up to the task he's given. You'd think a "genius plotter" would see that.
He also spends all of his time lamenting war and death. That's why he never shuts up about water gardens. The tragedy of his character is that as much as he talks about how revenge can hurt thousands of innocents to protect the very few in power, he plans revenge anyway.
But speaking of dead wrong, the entire Martells in book 6, yeah?
In the books Stannis did exactly that after the battle of Blackwater. As for Winterfell, he's trapped in deep snows with nowhere to retreat to, and also we don't know yet what he has planned, though it is implied he's setting a trap for the Boltons out on the ice that his men are slowly weakening.
Obliterator
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Oh I here ya, I thought that him burning his daughter in the show was asinine.
I just mean, the OUTCOME made sense. His dudes bailing on him after going full crazy is logical
A snowstorm that only existed so he would be the complete opposite of what he is and die. Stannis as he is in the books would still march through it, or die on the way.
Well yeah, the outcome makes sense... it's even stated in the books. It's just not the outcome that happens because GRRM is actually a decent writer.
Basileus777
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Book Doran's "Fire and Blood" speech is made into a joke after ADWD. Doran was wise not to start a war he couldn't win, but other than that everything he's ever planned has failed.
grandjedi6
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Yep. Especially with the Red Lady abandoning him, it came off as Stannis making the wrong choice AND that the Red Lady was playing him hard. Which fits all the hypnosis like scenes from previous seasons.
It's funny how many people complained last week how his army wouldn't have put up with Shireen's burning and then when the show follows through people still complain about that! Not that there isn't plenty else to complain about...
Yeah, pretty much my thoughts exactly. Why else would Melisandre just conveniently show up. Haha.
I'd be down for him becoming a dragon though.
Beelzebufo
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Brienne sure seemed to do fine
MisterShine
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Considering he tried to burn his own nephew when he had his back to the wall a few seasons ago, actually not all that surprising really. It's only a few steps worse, to be honest.
Where do you think he got all those sellswords who vanished on him from?
crazyrabbits
Banned
That was terrible.
Have fun next season.
Have fun next season.
elrechazado
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Way to ignore both the books and my point about mereen but sure....and wrong still about his feelings on war. Did you miss his own analogy about the snake and the grass? The grass wasn't crying about hurting innocents, it hides the killer snake till the right moment. And wtf do you think he meant by fire and blood? Jeez
"Err, uhh, me nose'll be 'alfway up yer arse before the night's through!"
He was getting desperate as his army was starting to fall apart and morale was very low. Best to get on the move rather than wait around till his army falls apart and try to start a siege somehow. Just no one expected the Bolton's to bring out a massive army out of nowhere.
Plus Melisandre hightailing it outta there certainly didn't help.
I mean ultimately I do see Stannis making the dumb decision to just charge the Bolton's as sensible considering where the show went.
The second Melisandre abandoned him he realized that he had basically done all this for nothing. Might as well go out trying to cause as much damage as possible to your enemy.
The second Melisandre abandoned him he realized that he had basically done all this for nothing. Might as well go out trying to cause as much damage as possible to your enemy.
m_shortpants
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That's fine, I just meant in terms of impact at that exact moment, it was a lot better than "bad pussy".
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