Chiggs
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They just pissed all over that character. It was amateur hour in the writer's workshop. Just atrocious storytelling.
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They just pissed all over that character. It was amateur hour in the writer's workshop. Just atrocious storytelling.
Burning Shireen, execution qualms aside, was desperation by Stannis. If you make that drastic move in to be empowered by a fire god, then the next day find out that half your army has abandoned you, you have no cavalry, your wife has killed herself, and the priestess that wanted the sacrifice has abandoned you... melted snows don't quite balance the scales. That is probably not the mental state to expect military brilliance.
A broken man committing suicide (attempted?) by Bolton.
I like it as his defeat, he sold his soul for a god he never really seemed to believe in and he paid the consequences. Would like to see the Brienne sparing/wall redemption theory afterwards.
And as far as show practicality (which I think a lot of people do not consider enough) goes, they didn't have the budget or time left for a major siege. Weakening his forces allowed for the Bolton's to almost plausibly ride out and end the conflict efficiently. I thought the shot of the large cavalry riding against a poorly formed half running force was an effective way to show the defeat as well.
A broken man committing suicide (attempted?) by Bolton.
I like it as his defeat, he sold his soul for a god he never really seemed to believe in and he paid the consequences. Would like to see the Brienne sparing/wall redemption theory afterwards.
And as far as show practicality (which I think a lot of people do not consider enough) goes, they didn't have the budget or time left for a major siege. Weakening his forces allowed for the Bolton's to almost plausibly ride out and end the conflict efficiently. I thought the shot of the large cavalry riding against a poorly formed half running force was an effective way to show the defeat as well.
m_shortpants
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Maybe in 20 years we can have Game of Thrones Brotherhood
there was a story that popped up last year or something that showed kit harrington was signed up for season 6 and had an option for season 7
kit is trolling everyone
Beelzebufo
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Hey, it was the same writers you know and love. Sometimes drawing is harder without tracing paper.
HeisenbergLannister
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My off the wall theory for Snow.
Maybe Melisandre takes Snow to the secret Lord of Light headquarters, where Dondarrion is, and we finally see Lady Stoneheart on the show.
Maybe Melisandre takes Snow to the secret Lord of Light headquarters, where Dondarrion is, and we finally see Lady Stoneheart on the show.
Basileus777
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I agree
The point is really made clear when Doran and the Sand Snakes are horrified that Cersei would want Trystane dead ("She'd do that to a child?!") moments after they had been plotting to kill Tommen and Myrcella (a child).
Ellia, who isn't a complete idiot in the books, basically goes "Huh? What are you talking about? None of this makes sense. You have your revenge! Everyone responsible for both Oberyn and Ellia's death is dead, now you're just being a part of a vicious cycle!"
Then Doran says "Mhmm why don't you go to bed Ellia let the grown ups talk. She's right you know (to the Sand Snakes), mercy is the true path. Have you seen my water gardens? But she doesn't understand the way of the world. FIRE AND BLOOD"
Dude's a crazy old codger. That's why the pay off of his fire and blood speech is that his son dies in the most horrible way possible miles from home. Revenge plots lead to nothing but the death of innocents.
This is one of the better breakdowns of this plotline that I have seen.
We need a brotherhood version for so many things.
Maybe wait a little longer, we want all the books to be out before they start a new series.
She's not particularly fond of him lol.
You Know Nothing
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Cersei's walk and for the watch were brilliantly done.
I really enjoyed the rest of the episode too minus the Dorne shite. Not a bad turn around from episode nine.
I really enjoyed the rest of the episode too minus the Dorne shite. Not a bad turn around from episode nine.
Obliterator
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I have a feeling, despite the shit that D&D always try to claim, that the entire ending of this thing will be nothing alike between the books and show
Dr_LucienSanchez
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Holy shit was that a bad episode. And all that Benjen excitement over nothing. Also extremely surprised at how Jon's death was handled also, with not even any hints besides Melisandre showing up conveniently.
At least I don't have to have that stupid Olly avatar. D&D - about as subtle as an elephant with that one.
Right? They're great books (with some weaker parts, like every book in the series has). I don't get how so much discourse now focuses around them being 'terrible.' Because that's not hyperbole or anything.
At least I don't have to have that stupid Olly avatar. D&D - about as subtle as an elephant with that one.
Right? They're great books (with some weaker parts, like every book in the series has). I don't get how so much discourse now focuses around them being 'terrible.' Because that's not hyperbole or anything.
D&D's version will just be gratuitous, self-indulgent or lacking all nuance.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
I find the claim dubious as well, as I believe George himself isn't entirely sure how he wants things to end yet.
Obliterator
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Even my wife who knows nothing about the books, told me like 2 episodes ago, "That kid is gonna do something really bad isn't he?"
Yeah it was hella telegraphed
I'm starting to get that feeling as well. If anyone sits the iron throne at the end of the books, the show will have the same person "win" at the end. Everything else will be completely different with the books being vastly superior in how we got to the outcome.
biosnake20
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It sounds like he has a endgame for all the major characters and the overarching story and D&D will get to that. We just don't know how faithful it will be until the books come out.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/game-thrones-cast-signs-season-744314
Unless Kit Harrington negotiated with the A tier for absolutely no reason (since he was already signed for season 5), Harrington is returning and is getting a pay raise.
You should be saying "come on" to the people in this thread that actually believe him.
Probably.
biosnake20
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HBO viewers guide says Stannis was killed by Brienne.
HeisenbergLannister
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Trueeee, but maybe death has changed her views, lol. Maybe ghost Ned tells her Snow's true parents.
Who the hell knows.
aahahahahahaha
MisterShine
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Absolutely yes. Has 'pussy' ever even been used as slang in the show?
The sand snakes are just terrrrible.
Season 5 is about as disappointing a follow up as AFFC was to SOS, so it all works out I guess.
WrenchNinja
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Glad I was on team olly kills
lol
lol
elrechazado
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Ramsey will beat the white walkers with a dog and 20 good men. Series over
Trojita
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To be fair, the last known location of Stannis was 3 days from Winterfell.
He's not insane. Melisandre is the one that wants to burn people. When Stannis is dealing with the treason from Karstark, he even says he will decide whether to behead or burn them depending on how fast they confess. Sounds more like he would rather just behead them.
Book Stannis is an atheist. He goes along with Melisandre because she can demonstrate having some sort of power, not that he actually believes in her red god. He cares more about the effect than where he it comes from.
"I stopped believing in gods the day I saw the Windproud break up across the bay. Any gods so monstrous as to drown my mother and father would never have my worship, I vowed. In Kings Landing, the High Septon would prattle at me of how all justice and goodness flowed from the Seven, but all I ever saw of either was made by men.
a secret-boss
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fucking Pycelle checking out Cersei
with that eye brow raise lol
with that eye brow raise lol
biosnake20
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Wow it totally does.
Obliterator
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Its possible there is a clause in their contract somewhere stating they can be killed at any time though I would guess. Considering if this is true we know not a single major character will die until at least Season 7
Pretty good episode. I like how the daggers in the dark transpired. Jon's scene with Sam was good. The walk was great. Loved Arya murdering Trant. I'm not mad about Stannis' death. Both characters were treated well in that scene.
Curious how Theon and Sansa will turn out next year. And for fucks sake give Jaime back his story next year.
Curious how Theon and Sansa will turn out next year. And for fucks sake give Jaime back his story next year.
I was referring to show Stannis in terms of believing in her god.
This was D&D's "sword or noose" moment. If he was really dead they would've just shown her kill him like they've shown every other death.
m_shortpants
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Beelzebufo
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Thanks! Basically a lot of book 4 and 5 are examples of how leaders lead and make decisions and stuff like that I think, and the consequences of those decisions. It's terribly interesting I think once you break into it, but that takes a while and at least one reread to really do, so it makes 4 and 5 less rewarding at a glance than something like the Viper and the Mountain fight.
Stannis ending was too rushed.
Arya stuff was super awkward.
Walk of Shame was good, cgi was distracting though. I ask my wife, "do you feel sorry for her?" "Hell no." Lol
varys+Tyrion running Meereen is an interesting idea.
No problem with Sansa/Reek. Not surprising as it continues the Poole replacement.
Everything's coming up Samwell.
Meh finale, but interested in seeing what happens next as we've reached the full split for all intents and purposes.
I see that 'bad writing' and 'hacks' have become the code words for 'not like the books'. Every day I thank The Seven I'm not a 'book purist'.
Arya stuff was super awkward.
Walk of Shame was good, cgi was distracting though. I ask my wife, "do you feel sorry for her?" "Hell no." Lol
varys+Tyrion running Meereen is an interesting idea.
No problem with Sansa/Reek. Not surprising as it continues the Poole replacement.
Everything's coming up Samwell.
Meh finale, but interested in seeing what happens next as we've reached the full split for all intents and purposes.
I see that 'bad writing' and 'hacks' have become the code words for 'not like the books'. Every day I thank The Seven I'm not a 'book purist'.
m_shortpants
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I know a bunch of people have already gone on and "done their duty", we STILL HAVE STRAGGLERS
#teamOllySaves
munchie64
phaonaut
Blatz
PhoenixDark
hammertomb
hoos30
Brakke
Dysun
Kain
Kyougar
Woody Invincible
schlongdog
kris.
#teamOllySaves
munchie64
phaonaut
Blatz
PhoenixDark
hammertomb
hoos30
Brakke
Dysun
Kain
Kyougar
Woody Invincible
schlongdog
kris.
There is a list of characters that I believe are truly unkillable to Martin (until the final season), and only one character/actor listed in that article (Natalie Dormer) is not on that list.
Edit - I'll also state that the negotiations for this contract were occurring simultaneously with this season being filmed. If Harrington wasn't going to be coming back, there was no reason for him to be in contract negotiations at all.
Or just statements of fact. Bad writing is bad writing and this season is particularly full of it.
WrenchNinja
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People who constantly defended the sansa plotline
still think it was worth it?
still think it was worth it?
Trojita
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Is anyone refuting that Stannis on the show isn't insane and an incompetent character adaptation?
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