eot
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I don't remember that at all, but I guess I didn't pay much attention in the Meereen chapters, what with all the Reznak mo Skahaz mo Kandaq shit going on.
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I don't remember that at all, but I guess I didn't pay much attention in the Meereen chapters, what with all the Reznak mo Skahaz mo Kandaq shit going on.
Steelyuhas
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Can someone refresh me on what that aspect of Dance is...?
cartoon_soldier
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Book spoilers are not spoilers
Liquidsnake
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This is a hilarious post.
eot
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Oh, right
When we meet up with Jorah again in ADWD he's in a brothel with a whore who looks exactly like Dany.
Steelyuhas
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Ah, okay. That still doesn't jog my memory though ha, don't remember that at all.
cartoon_soldier
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http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...ser-davos-actor-liam-cunningham-10194273.html
Stannis is dead. Sansa kills him. I can feel it now.
Speculation from Reddit:
Stannis is dead. Sansa kills him. I can feel it now.
Speculation from Reddit:
Some of that definitely could be right on, but that's waaaaayyyy too much plot for the next 8 eps to cover.
bengraven
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Speculation - yes I can do this for this one:
You mean they seem anti-violence? You're saying that those who seek revenge (like Park Chan-wook's trilogy) end up suffering more in the end? Or the opposite, because Cat kind of suffered. Just seeing if I'm reading you wrong.
The body double thing makes me laugh.
I like the mistaken Azor resurrection thing - sounds like that's what the books are hinting at. Would be an awesome payoff for both Jon and Mel's arcs and a fitting end to Stannis - truly, he dies a hero and after having lived a few years as the false Azor Ahai it's time for that to be done with.
I don't think that will happen with Sansa. I think Theon will start her, but I don't see Ramsey getting anything out of it. Somehow I don't think Sansa will lose her v-card to Ramsay, but again, that's what I expect so it will probably not happen - but imagine the massive backlash if it does. Also, I wonder how Ramsay's jealous woman will factor in here.
I don't think that will happen with Sansa. I think Theon will start her, but I don't see Ramsey getting anything out of it. Somehow I don't think Sansa will lose her v-card to Ramsay, but again, that's what I expect so it will probably not happen - but imagine the massive backlash if it does. Also, I wonder how Ramsay's jealous woman will factor in here.
You mean they seem anti-violence? You're saying that those who seek revenge (like Park Chan-wook's trilogy) end up suffering more in the end? Or the opposite, because Cat kind of suffered. Just seeing if I'm reading you wrong.
The body double thing makes me laugh.
cartoon_soldier
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If Stannis dies, the people left fighting for the Throne will be young kids who have no experience ruling
Terrible
Terrible
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You assume the throne will go to someone with a claim. No claim will withstand Littlefinger's schemes.
You mean they seem anti-violence? You're saying that those who seek revenge (like Park Chan-wook's trilogy) end up suffering more in the end? Or the opposite, because Cat kind of suffered. Just seeing if I'm reading you wrong.
The body double thing makes me laugh.
Basically what I mean is that no one on the show seems to see the futility of the constant pursuit of vengeance. Essentially, Ellaria's attitude in the books after Oberyn's death.
Cat in the books was the voice of reason, which made her bloodthirsty, vengeful return as Stoneheart all the more stark (heh). That was lost in the show at the end of the first season when she swears to Robb that they will "kill them all".
Haha, I'm not fully 100% sure it's true, but I hope it is.
PhoenixDark
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I refuse to believe something as big as Stannis dying could happen this year, given the showrunner's comments about no (major) TWOW spoilers.
You know as hard as I and everyone else is on D&D I think it's harder to imagine them doing a much better. First, the show is hella fucking expensive and it's only 10 episodes a season. That right there is limiting enough, even most "small" series have 12 or 13 episodes per season but GoT is just 10. So that right there means that every single fucking second has to count, it also means subtly, long backstory, and drawing things out gets thrown right out the window. They can't spend all day for you to finally make the connection that Renly and Loras are gay or perfectly explain to you the significance of Robert's Rebellion, Old Valyria, and the Blackfyre Rebellions.
In addition, the low budget means a smaller cast. Like, it's weird that all of a sudden Kevan appears out of nowhere in the show but what is the show going to do? Pay his actor to sit around every scene in the past seasons saying maybe one word? That same logic applies to most other minor characters. Plus, there is the added problem of confusing the audience with so many characters. I know plenty of people that don't know all the names of all the characters or what's up with them because they haven't read the books and purely watching the show makes things hard to follow. So, it's not a surprise that the Greyjoys are cut alongside, Arianne, Oakheart, Illyrio, and most likely fAegon (maybe?), Jon Conn, Manderlys, Lady Dustin, etc. Why introduce more characters, which costs more money since those other characters are still around, and risk overloading the audience when you can just condense it all and hand their story off to another character?
It sucks for us book readers but it makes sense for a show. But, I will still criticize them for dumb choices and dumb unnecessary changes. As I said before their time is precious so when they waste time with "beetle, klunk" scenes when they could be using that time more effectively well then I get pissed. Hey, how about we use beetle time to get more background info on Dorne or Oberyn himself?
bengraven
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I still feel like Melisandre is going to deliberately sacrifice Shireen to bring back Jon once she fully accepts that it's him that's Azor Ahai and not Stannis. The backlash from that is something I really want to see.
I feel that on the show
I feel that on the show
Brienne vs Stannis is going to happen but it won't go as planned. Melisandre killing her sounds about right if it does happen but she won't kill Stannis. She already won one big fight with the Hound and we never see repetitions like that, even if it isn't GRRM writing the scenario in this case.
bengraven
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Varys is probably tied for my favorite character. If he keeps Varysing, he might be #1. He temporarily lost the rights to that when he killed Kevan, aka "Let's Treat Cersei Like Tyrion Treated Joff".
I was disgusted by him at first like you're supposed to be, this slimy fuck meeting with Cat beneath the city...you're meant to think he's this kind of evil analog to Littlefinger's creepiness. But by Book 2, with his interactions with Tyrion, he started going higher and higher. By Book 3, when you realize the whole "I'm doing what's right for the realm", I was sold.
SPOILERS!
FINAL SCENE OF THE SERIES:
They will sing songs for spiders.
Varys is probably tied for my favorite character. If he keeps Varysing, he might be #1. He temporarily lost the rights to that when he killed Kevan, aka "Let's Treat Cersei Like Tyrion Treated Joff".
I was disgusted by him at first like you're supposed to be, this slimy fuck meeting with Cat beneath the city...you're meant to think he's this kind of evil analog to Littlefinger's creepiness. But by Book 2, with his interactions with Tyrion, he started going higher and higher. By Book 3, when you realize the whole "I'm doing what's right for the realm", I was sold.
SPOILERS!
FINAL SCENE OF THE SERIES:
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They will sing songs for spiders.
Aaaallll of this!
Not to mention Conleth Hill is one of the best actors in the show. I never see him, I just see Varys. That goes for Dillane and McElhatton too, though a lot more understated. I only see Stannis and Roose.
I'm the complete opposite, I bought into Varys bullshit that he does what he does "for the realm" but by the end of ADWD and after fully understanding the extent of his schemes I feel he is right up there with LF but maybe even worse. First off let's remember this is a guy that cuts the tongues out of little boys and girls and then sticks them in dark cramped tunnels to spend their days stealing secrets. Second, for guy all about the realm he sure does seem to do a lot of shit that causes pure chaos. Like tattling to the Mad King that Rhaegar planned to usurp him and generally feeding into the Mad King's paranoia. Then of course he proves oh so loyal to Robert Baratheon, who despite being a drunken sot, left the realm in relative peace during his rule. He plots secretly behind his back to place a secret Targ/Blackfyre on the throne.
But, this plot wouldn't be so bad if it didn't also require that the entire realm be rooted up in war and also require the use and discarding of two other Targaryens (Viserys and Dany). As far as we know, Varys planned for Dany or Viserys to cross the Narrow Sea with a pack of wild savage Dothraki that would tear apart the countryside and rally the country together for the arrival of fAegon. Naturally, fAegon would have to destroy these rival Targ claimants leaving him as the sole ruler of Westeros. All of that is pretty fucked up and hardly seems to "serve the realm."
At least LF seems honest enough in his motivations, these oh so noble Houses mocked him as a boy so now he has returned using nothing but his wits to hood winkle them all. Hey Tully I heard you didn't want me marrying your daughter, well I decided to uproot your entire family from its long held castle and now I'm the new L
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OH MY GOD!!! They are Stannis bashing so hard in the show watcher thread I just want to slap them.
Moff
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honestly I thought the same about him up until the end of ASOS, he becomes a likable character as soon as he decides to save the realm to win the throne
But, that's happening right now and they still hate his guts. Praise be the one true King!
Exterminieren
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I can't see it happening, but I'd love that speculation to be right. Would be a very satisfying way to advance several storylines.
If Brienne ever kills the Mannis I'd be super pissed. But, the thing is that it's kinda poetic that she becomes a Kingslayer. Sounds like something George would write.
Moff
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well as I can see it many seem to like him already, and linda&elio said he would get a new scene that will make him even more likable, so D&D are definitely trying to do that justice.
the show watchers also think dany is annoying and pretty much every other main character seems to give the impression I had of them when I read the books, judging from the comments in the show thread
bengraven
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And yeah, Giff, Conleth was the perfect person for Varys. My version was much more stuffy and flamboyant, which I still liked, but the calm, serene Varys is much better for the character. My original interpretation was a cross between Boy George and that creepy, villainous Cardinal from Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves.
But the chaos was created by the person who thrives most in this situation: LF. Varys isn't perfect and he's not a hero due to his past history and extreme acts for his motivations, but he's working from the hip in this chaos (like not expecting Tywin to be assassinated, being forced to kill Kevan) to get his plans to work. I think he genuinely hates that people have to die for his cause, but he does it anyway. To LF, he controls everything and seems to enjoy the suffering he creates, a kind of postive, to him, side effect of his plans. "Oh, not only are plans going as they were dealt, but people are hating me and dying? How amusing".
Edit: as for Dany being annoying, we're talking about GRRM who has the ability to make us change how we feel about characters. Jaime, recently Sansa, for example...
But the chaos was created by the person who thrives most in this situation: LF. Varys isn't perfect and he's not a hero due to his past history and extreme acts for his motivations, but he's working from the hip in this chaos (like not expecting Tywin to be assassinated, being forced to kill Kevan) to get his plans to work. I think he genuinely hates that people have to die for his cause, but he does it anyway. To LF, he controls everything and seems to enjoy the suffering he creates, a kind of postive, to him, side effect of his plans. "Oh, not only are plans going as they were dealt, but people are hating me and dying? How amusing".
Edit: as for Dany being annoying, we're talking about GRRM who has the ability to make us change how we feel about characters. Jaime, recently Sansa, for example...
Brienne is really starting to piss me off in the show. She's just so... aggressive and demanding ALL. THE. TIME.
Who is this Giff you speak of? I'm Griff.
bengraven
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HELLO...MCFLY...
"NeoGiff"
Ah, okay, I was thinking the same thing. Whether it's just GRRM realism leaking in that we can't get what we want or he purposely wants people to suffer for revenge, it's something that never ever works out in anyone's favor.
Except a few times for Arya.
"NeoGiff"
Ah, okay, I was thinking the same thing. Whether it's just GRRM realism leaking in that we can't get what we want or he purposely wants people to suffer for revenge, it's something that never ever works out in anyone's favor.
Except a few times for Arya.
Ganzlinger
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Varys vs. Littlefinger is indeed one of the highlights of this series.
#TeamBaelish
#TeamBaelish
I imagine he just means the Pink Letter.
That sounds so god awful, it's definitely going to happen.
BobTheFork
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I thought it sounded great. It works and would be fun to watch.
biosnake20
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Yeah there's no way this is happening. This is like all TWoW major spoiler territory and Benioff already said Season 5 is mostly safe from that.
But Ellaria is taking a lot of Arianne's role so it makes sense. Ellarianne.
There's a pretty huge difference though:
Ellarianne wants to mutilate and slowly kill Myrcella.
Arianne wants to crown her.
Edit: Is "Ellarianne" a thing now? I'm taking the credit!
Just in case it comes true, I'm laying claim to Trystaegon now.
You will not usurp me, pretender, both Ellarianne and Trystaegon were spawned in the same post.
Well I thought it first, I'm sure. A secret claim that never could have been foreseen in advance, in the true Aegon spirit.
cartoon_soldier
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Overall, both Roose and Ramsay will die this season. 99% sure of that.
I'll give you this one, if only because I know exactly how it feels to not have proof of your invention.
I invented and tweeted "The Roose is Loose" back in Season 3.
Edit: Actually, that's not right. I said "Roose is on the Loose", and then someone else changed it to the much better "The Roose is Loose".
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