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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 - Sundays on HBO
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jakefromstatefarm
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dyes were pretty ubiquitous in Early Modern Western Europe, certain colors (and types of clothing) were restricted for certain classes as a method of social signalling, but it really wouldn't be out of the ordinary to see a villein wearing bright blue. I'd chalk the show's decision up to a) budget and b) going for an earthy, realist aesthetic (Real is Brown after all). Those scenes in the North really try to realize a robust environment, loading them up with browns and greys indicates to the viewer that this is a no fun zone.
I liked this episode. Through 3 episodes I like season 5 a lot more than season 4. I thought the show conveyed the information it needed to convey pretty well. I don't see the criticism for the Robert Strong scene here as too heavy-handed; iirc AFFC explicitly states The Mountain was under Qyburn's care following the duel and that screams were coming from Qyburn's chambers, prompting him to move him into the dungeon. Like, Robert Strong = The Mountain's body was something even I picked up on and I missed literally everything else on first read.
Yes, it's absolutely ridiculous. They've turned a talented British actress into a hokey (fake) Spanish one.
Poked into the unsullied thread. My secret favorite thing about them is the spelling. "High septum", "Danny", etc.
He's The Mannis. Also Castle Black is *built* for bro-nods-from-above at this point.
He's The Mannis. Also Castle Black is *built* for bro-nods-from-above at this point.
It was in the books, and those moments that actually happened in the books are going to get increasingly scarce.
badcrumble
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Yeah the Robert Strong stuff wasn't exactly subtle in the books, lol.
Think the use of Jaqen H'gar and his music is the best for the Arya stuff. Gives viewers a nostalgic music and tone and a familiar face. I wonder how they'll do the cat and warging stuff since only Bran does it in show.
Seems like Jon story this season will probably end with shipping Sam and Aemon off, possibly getting betrayed. I don't like the looks Olly gives him when be says free folk, fired the arrow into Mance, and the fact he made Ser Alliser first Ranger. His season could end this year with the betrayal.
Seems like Jon story this season will probably end with shipping Sam and Aemon off, possibly getting betrayed. I don't like the looks Olly gives him when be says free folk, fired the arrow into Mance, and the fact he made Ser Alliser first Ranger. His season could end this year with the betrayal.
Steelyuhas
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"I'll send my regards...in 10 years when I finish my next book."
Basileus777
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I recall her being paranoid about the man since Tyrion appointed him, but yeah, the Lancel thing was the main motivation.
But it's been a while since I read that chapter so maybe I'm mixing things up.
I've accepted the changes for what they are, and I'm not really upset by them. However, I'm not entirely happy with how they're handling the Wall scenes. Last week I thought the Lord Commander election seemed rushed and this week they sort of ruined the execution scene.
Dat nod though.
Dat nod though.
One could accept the election change due to time, and since half the people involved aren't there anyway. The botching of the execution scene is just inexcusable. It's pretty much the same as the mess they did with Tyrion's last scenes last season, they changed shit just to change it.
Exactly. I can excuse many changes due to time constraints or for the sake of making something work better on TV, but the simple changes to that particular scene was perplexing to me. It was much more powerful and badass in the novel.
cartoon_soldier
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I'll say what I have said before. This show always goes for the simplest, least stylish, least nuanced, and ultimately least suspenseful storytelling for most of its scenes.
Now, what they get right is not having wild character shifts even when the character in the books has changed by that point.
Now, what they get right is not having wild character shifts even when the character in the books has changed by that point.
Basileus777
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How is this remotely comparable to the really drastic changes they did to Tyrion's escape last season? I don't see how the relatively minor changes to how the execution scene was structured are somehow inexcusable.
Roose: "You'll have to excuse her, Lady Stark. She's senile and just walks up and down these halls saying that to everyone."
eot
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That was awful.
The nod was alright, but undermined by having Davos explain that Stannis respects Jon (the point of the nod was to show that).
Also, Tyrion turning down a whore? Oh my. Well, I hated him in ADwD anyway.
cartoon_soldier
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eot
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Because they took the most iconic line from the best monologue and one of the bigger reveals in ADwD and gave it to some random Winterfell worker who just blurts it out.
The same way it went in the books but with Sansa. Since Brienne is following them, and there is no Stoneheart, I have a feeling she will end up helping Theon and Sansa escape.
Also, that North Remembers bit got me a bit emotional for a split second. I wonder if they'll have Sansa go down to the crypts at some point.
Basileus777
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Citizen_Insane
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I'm going to guess something along the lines of
"This is some trick. Its him, its my
my lord, my sweet lord, he sent you, this is just some test to make sure that I love him. I do, I do, I love him more than anything. A tear ran down her cheek. Tell him, you tell him. Ill do what he wants
whatever he wants
with him or
or with the dog or
please
"
Moff
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I don't undrstand that reactions to sansa's storyline, we have known or at least expected that for months haven't we? and I like them honestly. it's leages better than all that BS with harry the heir, we can count ourselved lucky we don't have to watch that on TV.
however, I was displeased with slynts execution, because that is one of the very, very, few moments I actually liked in the whole of AFFC/ADWD. I just loved how jon wanted to have him hanged first but then remembered ned saying you should carry your sentence out yourself.
nod was fine
however, I was displeased with slynts execution, because that is one of the very, very, few moments I actually liked in the whole of AFFC/ADWD. I just loved how jon wanted to have him hanged first but then remembered ned saying you should carry your sentence out yourself.
nod was fine
biosnake20
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The main reason I am interested and mostly optimistic about the Winterfell change is because they have been planning this from way back in 2011. I'm guessing whatever they have here has been planned out pretty explicitly and it's not just a random arc they thought of in a couple days.(like the crasters stuff in S4)
Citizen_Insane
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I imagine just about everyone will be really fucking upset if they take it in that direction with Sansa Stark. She's finally being built up as a confident player in the game and breaking her down again will ruin it.
No one will forget the legend of Karl Tanner.
Purple Cheeto
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The book only thread is even more of a haven for the sycophants.
Intheflorsh
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I think the Sansa arc has big potential, maybe she'll actually have a chance to put her new manipulative persona to serious use unlike in the books. It's certainly more entertaining than seeing her and Littlefinger cooped up in the Veil anyways.
Because there's no difference whatsoever in terms of time or budget in both cases...? That those changes, despite not being necessary, result in inferior scenes?
And the execution scene in the way it was in the books is an important step in Jon's character development, and it's simply more satisfying.
Basileus777
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There's no chance this is in. It's certainly more than the 6/10 Sofie rated her scene.
And it is here. There's no significant change with regards to character development.
I do like the fact they reused the beheading music for Theon and then Robb for the scene. Instantly made me remember Ser Rodrik and Karstark beheadings. You're right though, having Sean Bean's voice in his head repeating the "man doing the sentencing should swing the sword" would have been an even nicer touch. That's one thing about the show, these small simple details they can do to tie in things they sometimes miss or don't care enough for.
Just because the end result is Janos' head rolling on the floor doesn't mean that's true. Changing his mind to execute him himself instead of deciding to do so right away like in the show is very different and is rather significant.
Discotheque
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jorah mormont seeing that whore dressed as danaerys might be one of the most funniest scenes of the year
Basileus777
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The significance is the connection with Ned and the Starks and the visual storytelling in the show hammers that point home hard. We don't see Jon's internal monologue, and the show compensates for that fairly well here. Jon choosing the rope first and changing his mind is not important.
A voice over would be ridiculously anvilicious even for this show. Even as is, the connection to Ned isn't subtle.
“There were some things in this series that I was really disturbed by. “Just before the scene I was like ‘I don’t want to do this” but it’s my job so you’ve got to get on with it.’”
- Iwan Rheon
Considering the show makes it clear that he castrated Theon, it's got to be considerably worse to shock him.
I don't get why people don't like Harry the Heir arc. I like the fact that Littlefinger is attempting to secure the Vale through Sansa's marriage to Harry, before then trying to claim the North. Highlights the fact that he has a very loose claim to the Vale at the moment.
And I found the interaction between Sansa and Harry actually entertaining, dude is a simple manwhore.
But I already told my brother that Sansa gets raped by a dog this season.
Last Hearth
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So 3 episodes in, 3 executions already. Who gets executed next week?=
RatskyWatsky
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But it was a nice moment - one that they chose to replace with nothing for no apparent reason. It's something that they've done time and time again on the show, and it only highlights their ineptitude at conveying, and also understanding the importance of, nuance.
Monocle
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I thoroughly enjoyed this episode, which surprised me given all the ways it deviated from the books. It was full of good scenes that laid the groundwork for the juicy twists to come, with good performances all around. I loved Elizabeth Swann's daddy as the High Sparrow. The High Septon's brothel scene and walk of shame were glorious. And Cersei's barely veiled loathing for Margaery remains hilarious.
I think I'm actually OK with how the book events were condensed this time. It's good to see Sansa edging a little further down the path to vengeance, even if it is at Littlefinger's prompting. I really do hope to see her go all Lady Stoneheart on the Boltons and Lannisters, eventually. Her taking Jeyne's role could lead to some story issues, but I'm willing to wait and see how it plays out.
The latrine thing where Jon passes an opportunity to shame Thorne was nicely done, and Slynt's execution scene worked for me because for a moment Jon's reaction to his begging actually had me wondering what he was going to do. This show's aggressive departure from the books works in its favor sometimes, if only to deliver mild surprises to book readers. (A hazy memory of how things originally went down helps too.)
I'm curious to see the scene that got Iwan Rheon freaked out. Hopefully he was reacting to the twisted nature of his character's situation and not the type of crass gross-out effect this show springs on viewers every so often. That said, those flayed figures that were hoisted up in Winterfell were neat. Human Anatomy 101 with Reek & Friends.
I think I'm actually OK with how the book events were condensed this time. It's good to see Sansa edging a little further down the path to vengeance, even if it is at Littlefinger's prompting. I really do hope to see her go all Lady Stoneheart on the Boltons and Lannisters, eventually. Her taking Jeyne's role could lead to some story issues, but I'm willing to wait and see how it plays out.
The latrine thing where Jon passes an opportunity to shame Thorne was nicely done, and Slynt's execution scene worked for me because for a moment Jon's reaction to his begging actually had me wondering what he was going to do. This show's aggressive departure from the books works in its favor sometimes, if only to deliver mild surprises to book readers. (A hazy memory of how things originally went down helps too.)
I'm curious to see the scene that got Iwan Rheon freaked out. Hopefully he was reacting to the twisted nature of his character's situation and not the type of crass gross-out effect this show springs on viewers every so often. That said, those flayed figures that were hoisted up in Winterfell were neat. Human Anatomy 101 with Reek & Friends.
This season is a fucking mess. It's like the exact opposite of Season 1 or 2, nothing is recognizable from the books aside from Jon cutting off Slynt's head or small moments elsewhere. They've cut out such massive amounts of material, all for the sake of simplicity and streamlining. I understand that they want to focus on the characters, but they've lost the sense of scale and sweep the books have achieved for it.
I'm just trying to enjoy the show as it's own thing, a high budget fanfiction loosely inspired by the best fantasy books since LotR, rather than an adaptation anymore. Sadly this season is probably going to spoil a lot of Winds of Winter, though.
I'm just trying to enjoy the show as it's own thing, a high budget fanfiction loosely inspired by the best fantasy books since LotR, rather than an adaptation anymore. Sadly this season is probably going to spoil a lot of Winds of Winter, though.
It won't spoil anything from Winds of Winter.
The writers have said this isn't the case. Sansa is just taking Jeyne Pooles storyline this season. She'll probably go back to her WoW storyline next season.
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