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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 5 - Sundays on HBO
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CrocMother
Banned
would have enjoyed a selmy/ tyrion reunion. oh well
kame-sennin
Member
Barry.
Is this the early death that was rumoured?
If a character receives a mortal wound but is not confirmed dead before the end of the episode, they're still alive. Like always. TV never breaks this rule.
He should have been in full armor and they should have had a stunt double wrecking shit.
Not officially I'm just going based off the puddle of blood that was forming under him in that last scene lol
Yeah, the look Littlefinger gives Sansa after she says that is pretty blatant. He obviously knows the truth.
Was he? I thought Lancel just made sure his wine was always flowing so that he was too drunk to lift his spear?
Is there any way that a 100% show watcher could have pieced together the R+L=J theory before tonight's episode or no?
If not, how about after tonight?
Ok, I'm calmed now...
I think the episode was fun, Bron/Jaime are fun together, I dislike the Sand Snakes but I also dislike them in the books so that's Ok. The sparrows getting violent were fun to watch too.
The only bad scene was the last one but is more of a thing of form rather than substance. Also being the last scene lame makes feel like the whole episode was lame when it wasn't that way.
I think the episode was fun, Bron/Jaime are fun together, I dislike the Sand Snakes but I also dislike them in the books so that's Ok. The sparrows getting violent were fun to watch too.
The only bad scene was the last one but is more of a thing of form rather than substance. Also being the last scene lame makes feel like the whole episode was lame when it wasn't that way.
BertramCooper
Banned
Robert Baratheon, killer of Raegar Targaryan and one of the strongest fighters Westeros has ever known died to a boar
¯\_(ツ_/¯
Robert was on a very obvious downward spiral - physically and mentally.
Barristan, in the books at least, is consistently shown to be a world-class fighter and leader who has shown remarkably little deterioration in his skill despite his advanced age.
Apples and oranges.
That speech from Obara really didn't work at all. I don't know if it had much to do with her acting though, it just seemed really forced and out of place after the other two gave such simple answers. Should have just had her walk over to the spear silently, lob it in and give the final line. That would've worked great.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
Good point. But if he just goes to Meereen to die...that would be pretty terrible of a view point, like Quentyn. I could see that though. Leaving Tyrion as the main viewpoint in Meereen with Darrio escorting her army, while she flys ahead with the Dothraki.
Future PhaZe
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so was Sansa on the low hinting that she was trying to get with Littlefinger in this episode?
After the kiss she had this look and she was like, "I Imagine I'll be a married woman by the time you return."
show Sansa is thirsty for the D
After the kiss she had this look and she was like, "I Imagine I'll be a married woman by the time you return."
show Sansa is thirsty for the D
Also another thing in the previews:
Jorah and Tyrion apparently seeing Drogon. Not a big complaint but just goes to show how D&D throw subtly out the window. In ADWD it's hinted that Tyrion may have seen Drogon flying above the Rhoyne when sailing with Jon Conn and Co. In fact, I never made the connection until someone pointed it out. D&D are apparently just going "screw it, let's make it super obvious."
Future PhaZe
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only question now is how much all the new shit is based on George's outlines and how much of it is just nonsense
kind of hope George was like bruh, do whatever you want, definitive ending in the books
not saying that as any kind of elitist, would just add more spice to reading the books that come out probably after the show is over
kind of hope George was like bruh, do whatever you want, definitive ending in the books
not saying that as any kind of elitist, would just add more spice to reading the books that come out probably after the show is over
sorryaboutdresden
Member
He got killed by rich fucks with no fighting experience. Awful way to kill a fookin legend.
Dude, you can't really hint at that on the TV show though. Otherwise you'd just look at two dudes staring in the sky and have no clue what they were looking at.
Yeah, well, television /= reading a passage. It's a visual medium.
dsp
Member
Not feeling the Sand Snakes. A bit too comical. Also not a fan of how they've handled Jaimie since he got back to King's Landing and this whole trip to Dorne has not helped. They'll probably kill Bronn, too. What a load of shit.
I am now supporting Stannis. I've seen the fuckin' light. Stannis is the one and only true King.
I am now supporting Stannis. I've seen the fuckin' light. Stannis is the one and only true King.
The Albatross
Member
I disagree that Peter knows the truth about Raegar & Lyanna, it's the biggest secret in the realm and seems like only 2 people properly knew, Ned and Howland Reed. Bran will likely find out.
Atraveller
Banned
Well, the foot soldiers of harpy could be mercenaries, but that doesn't make it better at all.
On the show they're treating it like it's a secret that multiple people know. Even Stannis was kinda hinting at it tonight.
"What? A bastard? Ohhhh no no no not NED I bet it's something else like his sisss OOHHHH hey Jon didn't see you there! What's going on buddy? You're from the north... ever hear of the term "Eskimo Brothers"?"
edit: I should note that I didn't get the vibe that Peter knew tonight. I was only picking up a vibe that he was like, "Yeahhhh... he didn't have to rape anyone."
Future PhaZe
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it'd be lame as fuck if dany never learns to control her dragons and Bran has to do it
jesus the show and books have a ton of potential to end terribly tbqh
jesus the show and books have a ton of potential to end terribly tbqh
But one is a TV show, the other is a book. They're different mediums so you can't really portray it the same way. This seems like a pointless nitpick.
I saw a picture of David Benioff's face shopped onto Joffrey's when he is destroying that book that was gifted to him before his wedding, with pages and covers of the ASOIAF series flying everywhere. I would post that here but I can't find it.
The Albatross
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Maybe but probably not. The show doesnt focus on R or L at all, at least in 4 seasons. What I'm worried about is this bomb gets dropped and most show watchers are like "so what?"
You can, but I'm not too upset by it. Things are moving at a faster pace with the show, but
I think that without the subtly the scene has no purpose especially with Jorah with Tyrion. With Jonn Conn and Co. Tyrion could still doubt whether the dragons were real, none of them had seen them. However, Jorah has seen the dragons so there is no reason for Tyrion to visually see Drogon.
dsp
Member
Future PhaZe
Member
to be fair, given what happens at the end of dance does it even matter?
jon might be living on borrowed time on some beric dondarrion shit soon
Selmy had 0 armor and still took 10 or so Harpies down. I understand the disappointment that Selmy appears to be dead, but I don't think he necessarily went out in a bad way (if he is dead).
Now, the Unsullied, on the other hand...
blainethemono
Member
it's definitely possible just from seeing like, less than half of the first season
Ned's words to Jon the last time they see each other are pretty much all you need to start thinking about it. i remember seeing the theory proposed by a bunch of people who had definitely never read the books during that season
Hasphat'sAnts
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Yeah, but it's bee a pretty obvious thing for book readers for over a decade. To us it is also "so what?" It's not really some bombshell reveal that it supposed to shake us to our core.
gigantor21
Member
They should've needed FAR more Harpies to take down so many of the Unsullied. Jorah, Daario and Grey Worm did more damage in Yunkai than Dany's whole fucking army did against nobles in masks this episode. It's pretty embarrassing, frankly.
And yeah, the R + L = J setup was as subtle as an anvil this episode. Why else spend so much time describing characters who haven't been relevant in several seasons? Not to mention it coinciding with Melisandre's "lap dance for R'hollor" and all her talk of Jon's potential.
All of the setup work for Cersei's downfall is largely in tact:
- Margaery knows that Cersei revived the Faith Militant just to get back at her by arresting Loras, right after sending Mace away to Braavos. Olenna is going to be PISSED.
- Tommen is a complete pussy--not as aggressively scummy as Joffery, but not much better as a king.
- The High Septon gave zero fucks about his culpability in the whipping incident, and Cersei still gave him a private army just to fuck with the Tyrells.
- Lancel has inside knowledge about Robert's convenient death and slept with her.
- The Faith Militant has the backing of the people (as we saw at the Sept), and Cersei alienating Kevan and Jaime means she has far less backup to rely on if things go south.
Hopefully it's just as satisfying to see her fall from grace on TV as it was to read in the books.
And yeah, the R + L = J setup was as subtle as an anvil this episode. Why else spend so much time describing characters who haven't been relevant in several seasons? Not to mention it coinciding with Melisandre's "lap dance for R'hollor" and all her talk of Jon's potential.
All of the setup work for Cersei's downfall is largely in tact:
- Margaery knows that Cersei revived the Faith Militant just to get back at her by arresting Loras, right after sending Mace away to Braavos. Olenna is going to be PISSED.
- Tommen is a complete pussy--not as aggressively scummy as Joffery, but not much better as a king.
- The High Septon gave zero fucks about his culpability in the whipping incident, and Cersei still gave him a private army just to fuck with the Tyrells.
- Lancel has inside knowledge about Robert's convenient death and slept with her.
- The Faith Militant has the backing of the people (as we saw at the Sept), and Cersei alienating Kevan and Jaime means she has far less backup to rely on if things go south.
Hopefully it's just as satisfying to see her fall from grace on TV as it was to read in the books.
BertramCooper
Banned
The Stannis-Shireen scene was enjoyable, but it's definitely a conversation that Book Stannis never would have had with Book Shireen.
TV Stannis is waaaaay more likable than Book Stannis. Whether that's a good or a bad thing is a matter of taste, I guess.
TV Stannis is waaaaay more likable than Book Stannis. Whether that's a good or a bad thing is a matter of taste, I guess.
Atraveller
Banned
lol everything on this show is super obvious, there's literally zero subtlety. Littlefinger is a mustache twirling villain from the start, Loras is quite obviously gay, and any other moments that could have used a lighter touch get kunk kunk beetle smashed
Why? We never get a POV chapter for Stannis but despite that it's clear he loves Shireen and is very protective of her. Book Stannis always appears hard because we view from an outsiders POV, but in private I would bet he'd have scenes like that with Shireen.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
Why the fuck would Barristan Fucking Selmy head out into a city infested with his enemy in no armour?
He looked like an idiot who could barely kill upper class slavers. Trant should have just cut him down in Season 1 because his ability to slap Sansa around effortlessly all but confirmed that Selmy would be no match for him.
Latvian Hitman
Member
Wow, the show runners did just about everything wrong at the end of this episode.
The show has already established what the Unsullied are: they're essentially ASOIAF's Spartans. They are trained fanatically from their youth, fight with incredible discipline, fight as a unit, use their shields in formation to break the ranks of the enemy, fear nothing, and are all but impervious to pain.
The small unit we see in action tonight breaks ranks almost immediately and panics while facing a bunch of unarmored thugs with daggers. We see Unsullied reacting to pain, and literally falling to pieces for reasons beyond explanation.
Then, the cherry on top is that one of the greatest and most decorated swordsmen of Westeros' last century steps in, sword in hand, against dudes in rags with knives, and apparently dies as well.
Hilarious. Talk about writing to tentpoles...
The show has already established what the Unsullied are: they're essentially ASOIAF's Spartans. They are trained fanatically from their youth, fight with incredible discipline, fight as a unit, use their shields in formation to break the ranks of the enemy, fear nothing, and are all but impervious to pain.
The small unit we see in action tonight breaks ranks almost immediately and panics while facing a bunch of unarmored thugs with daggers. We see Unsullied reacting to pain, and literally falling to pieces for reasons beyond explanation.
Then, the cherry on top is that one of the greatest and most decorated swordsmen of Westeros' last century steps in, sword in hand, against dudes in rags with knives, and apparently dies as well.
Hilarious. Talk about writing to tentpoles...
Oh, come on, Queensguard
Ian McElhinney got fucking robbed.
Unsullied dying like this was pathetic. Fucking think your action sequences through, man.
Really liked the Stannis scene, though. The way D&D seem hellbent on making "gay" Loras' only character trait after pimping on on S1, though... Ugh.
Hyped for R+L.
Everything we know of Book Stannis says otherwise.
Ian McElhinney got fucking robbed.
Unsullied dying like this was pathetic. Fucking think your action sequences through, man.
Really liked the Stannis scene, though. The way D&D seem hellbent on making "gay" Loras' only character trait after pimping on on S1, though... Ugh.
Hyped for R+L.
Everything we know of Book Stannis says otherwise.
jakefromstatefarm
Member
we see him through Davos' eyes, his biggest homer in ASOIAF, and he still comes across as cold and inhuman
Atraveller
Banned
It's like Pyp and Grenn but a hundred times worse. The shock value achieved is me thinking this is shockingly bad.
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