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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 6 Offseason Thread
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Steelyuhas
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Will also strongly consider forking over boatloads of money to Benioff & Weiss to keep making the show!
In all seriousness, I hope David and & Dan keep to 8 if they feel that's what makes sense. Want to see an end point drawn and execution towards that, not have the show dragged out into double digit seasons.
Moff
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I bought it on the sale, I always wanted to give it a try.
and although I do not like interactive movies and the little gameplay in the game is clunky and unsatisfying, and the choices have rearely consequences and you always get fucked either way, I absolutely do agree that it was a nice story with enjoyable characters. I do wish they would have wrapped up the story, though, and would have focused on something new the next season.
Yeah, good story, poor execution. Played on PC, KB+M, annoyed by QTE's and story progress funneling.
I'm considering picking up the RPG that came out in 2012. It didn't fare well in sales/reviews but walking around in the Westeros world may be worht it on it's own. The game precedes the show so I'm curious to compare their Westeros to HBO's:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-BErXHc7fs
http://store.steampowered.com/app/208730
If I were to win powerball, 100mil goes to CDPR to make a GOT RPG.
It came early in the shows run. There's a couple of actors voice and likenesses from the show in it. I liked the story for it but it wasn't much of a game sadly.
second that. Only real Game of Thrones feeling with managing your family and conquering the world.
The Game of thrones Mod for Mount and Blade Warband was also OK but I dont think it got updated the last 2 years.
It's a shame they rushed through some of the 2nd and 3rd books' content and now they have to stretch out the last 2 books' content. Could be good though...
bodyofanamerican
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Agreed. While basing this on literally no fact and just D+D's previous public statements, I'm assuming that D+D wanted 7, HBO wanted 9-10, and they compromised on 8.
However, I assume HBO is going to get started on Dunk and Egg or some other Westeros-based show either this year or next, so there's a seamless transition when the mainline story ends, into whatever they come up with next.
H.Cornerstone
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Do you mean 4th and fifth? They dedicated almost 2 seasons to storm of swords.
Why did I think they already announced this and they were going to have the show be 8 seasons....
If the remaining content is paced like books 4 and 5 I don't think there's gonna be just two more.
It certainly seemed like they only wanted 7 seasons as of season 4. And I guess that would explain why last season stretched out material more than I had expected. Not that it felt 'drawn out', but based on what we saw in Season 4 I had expected Season 5 to go differently and advance the plot into Winds territory more than it did.
bodyofanamerican
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Yep, I mean from Joff's death on (that was S4E2, correct?), I specifically remember them saying that the story has expanded as much as it's going to, and that they were beginning the work of condensing the story back to its endpoint.
I'm confident in saying that that's not exactly how it worked out.
I wonder if some of the new characters this season like Euron were always planned to be included, or if that's a result of having to stretch/expand more than they expected.
It's been so long I can't remember what was in which book. But my point was that there was a lot of good content they skipped over before the beginning of feast. They shorted (Rattleshirt) and omitted (Jeyne Poole) some characters that I believe were missed plot-wise on the show.
If the content they use for seasons 7-8 isn't good, it will just feel like filler. TBH, much of DoD and aFFC felt like filler too.
The sand snakes / Dorne certainly felt like filler last season...
Dusk Soldier
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I don't know how I feel about an eight season.
Unless season eight is like a ten hour battle, I feel like there isn't enough story line left to fill up 3 seasons.
Unless season eight is like a ten hour battle, I feel like there isn't enough story line left to fill up 3 seasons.
Hard to say that when we don't even know how much story there is still to come.
Basileus777
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Hell, GRRM might not even know that. But we've passed the point where this show is adapting already written material so it might not matter how the books go about closing the series.
bodyofanamerican
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One other thing I was just wondering about (this is pure speculation, nothing mentioned in the rumored spoilers). Is there ANY indication that Ramsay may have knocked Sansa up? Seemed like he slept with her over and over again for a fairly long period of time, so it could be a possibility, no? Or did they shut that down in the writing of the scene with her and Miranda, indicating that Ramsay still needed an heir?
viciouskillersquirrel
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So you're saying D&D adapted that content perfectly then...
I knew there was no chance it was ending at seven seasons like D&D originally said. Now I'm sure they have no roadmap and are more or less making it up as they go along (as inserting the iron island back into the mix already proved).
Ape Gone Insane
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You seriously think this season and next is enough to wrap up the entire series? And given we are still waiting on 2 presumably gigantic books to come out (which might be split into more if George decides he still has too much to tell).
RatskyWatsky
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This has been clear for a very long time.
Well yes but i kinda thought that they had a general outline at least.
Basileus777
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They're not going to adapt all of that stuff.
Ape Gone Insane
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Yes, but presumably the broad strokes George provided indicates considerable content (if the plan was originally two more books). You only have to look at Dany's plot progress to be skeptical that this season and next probably wouldn't be enough unless they insanely rushed it, especially if she fucks about with the Khal plot for the entire season.
Given how hard D&D seemed to be pushing for seven for years, I think that if they're saying eight now, then whatever story is left really couldn't fit in seven. It sounds like they had a seven-season plan, and sometime in the course of writing season six realized that they were falling way short of whatever milestone they needed to make that work.
Steelyuhas
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Yeah I think the good tell, and maybe only reliable one at this point, is several main characters being in Essos and it doesn't look like they're going to be back in Westeros in the near future.
Dusk Soldier
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Yes, but there's no guarantee that the Winds of Winter will come before the end of the show. Book 7 is still 10 years off at this point.
There's no point in trying to do a faithful adaption for something that's still being edited as we go along.
I mean season 7 is pretty much being written now. It needs to have ADOS content in it, and Winds of Winter isn't even close to being finished.
Eight seasons has always felt like the sweet spot to me. Granted I don't know shite about the content of TWOW and ADOS, aside from the preview chapters of TWOW, just like everyone else here (I assume). But they're two big books and they might get split and seven seasons never ever felt like enough for that. Seven seasons felt like TWOW getting an extended epilogue and ADOS never getting adapted. Eight seems fine.
Steelyuhas
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Reasonably high, they have an overall development deal with George (currently has three shows in development with (HBO/Cinemax).
I'd give it 50/50 odds right now. The most important thing of all has already happened on more than one occasion -- HBO has publicly stated that they'd love to explore other aspects of the universe. Getting the right team together, getting all the budgeting out of the way, and of course ensuring that sky-high viewership ratings hold for the remainder of GoT's run all needs to happen, though.
Basileus777
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I wonder how new show runners would approach this, especially as they'd be writing even more new material than the main series does.
Moff
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I think the roadmap has always been very clear
book1 -> season 1
book 2 -> season 2
book 3 -> seasom 3 and 4
book4 and 5 -> season 5
I wonder how that is not a clear and obvious outline? it really doesn't get simpler than that.
now of course, GRRMs slow writing has fucked them up, but it's hard to blame them.
I think as well that it was not part of the original plan to include the ironborn, my guess is they did that because GRRM failed to provide more material and they somehow had to fill the now 8 seasons HBO wished for, which was 1 season more they originally planned for. but agian, hard to blame D&D for that.
adamsappel
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Why is books 4 and 5 only comprising one season so clear and obvious? I think some of the more-rabid fanbase and even Martin himself naively thought every word he wrote was going to be included, but I think D&D royally screwed up adapting this last season. They jettisoned whole plots (only to be shoehorning them in now) and were too intent on stealing scenes that haven't even appeared in the books yet. They've done a disservice to the characters of Stannis and Sansa, they've fallen in love with Ramsey for some reason, the Dorne storyline and writing was awful. To be fair, I do like some of their changes.
Of course, that's my opinion as a book-reader. I have a friend who's never read them and he thinks it's one of the best shows he's ever seen, and I doubt he cares about who wrote what or when.
Moff
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every word he wrote in show? no he certainly did not expect that, GRRM knows how tv works, he has worked for TV before.
and that AFFC/ADWD would become only one season has been called years before. the moment ADWD was released. I was among those who called it.
I agree they did a lot of things differently, your characters included, but that is hardly part of a "roadmap".
the same goes for season 5. even if you don't think AFFC/ADWD deserve only one season, it is obvious and clear that D&D had a roadmap.
Basileus777
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The writing problems the show has had haven't been the result of jettisoning material. Honestly they probably weren't aggressive enough with their cuts.
PHOENIXZERO
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Yeah, I finished reading the books before season four started and it was pretty clear to me too that there was no way they were going to make three or even two seasons out of AFFC and ADWD.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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I think it was more HBO wanting to prolong their most popular show, and they talked them into adding one more season. HBO has said in the past they wanted 8 seasons, while Dan and Dave were still saying 7.
Yeah, It's crazy how delusional George must have been to imagine them spending 3 seasons on that material. They made the right call in speeding through it. They did a poor job speeding through it, but it was the right call.
Exterminieren
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Adaptations of AFFC and ADWD were always going to make for shitty television.
Series 5 wasn't good, but it could EASILY have been worse.
Series 5 wasn't good, but it could EASILY have been worse.
What we got was terrible, so I doubt it would have been much worse
Exterminieren
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I actually think it was a notable improvement on the books in some regards, to be fair. Certainly, Hardhome's a better action setpiece than anything in either book, and the changes made to Dany, Cersei, Tyrion and Ayra's storylines are probably, on the whole, for the better.
Yes, the Boltons and Dorne were totally bungled, and the season didn't hang together nearly as well as the earlier ones, but it could very definitely have been worse television if some of the plots had made it onscreen as they were presented in the books.
An adaption could have been amazing. They literally added more padding and boring irrelevant crap and didn't do some of the more interesting stuff. They had a chance to take the stuff and make it their own but they failed.
How could Dany's be better? That was one of the biggest disappointments. That was so boring in the show. Tyrion meets her and she's just relaxing away without a care in the world. In the books, everything is a disaster for her. She's in such a hopeless no win situation with everything possible going wrong and no good solutions. Berristan is also dead while he's being awesome at the end of the book and in the preview chapters for the next book.
Basileus777
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I like how that shitty image makes it sound like the Meereen chapters in ADWD were actually entertaining.
I found them as entertaining as anything else in this series. I've never gotten the hate
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