They don't treat bastards harshly in Dorne, but they're still considered illegitimate. Oberyn never married Ellaria, even though she's his lover and a highborn bastard. His kids weren't heirs either.
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They don't treat bastards harshly in Dorne, but they're still considered illegitimate. Oberyn never married Ellaria, even though she's his lover and a highborn bastard. His kids weren't heirs either.
metalslimer
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Outside of the useless Small Council scene nothing was too bad this episode. It was a lot of setup but most of it was probably useful setup. I was just glad Dorne wasn't in the episode
Atraveller
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I don't understand why this is something D&D wanted to change.
Lactose_Intolerant
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It doesn't matter to their story and makes him appear more magical than being like 140 years old or whatever he is in the books.
fallengorn
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Yeah, they just need him to be a magical man who lives in an underground treehouse.
radios shipping overview
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Kind of a boring episode. They dangled TOJ in front of us, only to take it away so they could save it for later. Lots of reiterative dialogue, lots of conversations that didn't go anywhere. I get that D&D have to spend time reminding viewers about the state of things, the first three eps have been both baggy and too concise in the wrong places.
Caveats: I know that the state of events at this point in the books isn't exactly exciting, and that it's difficult to translate the events going on all over the world onto the screen.
Rickon stuff feels like motivation for Ramsay to be relevant to undead Jon. Because otherwise, without Sansa, he's just some tinpot ready to get knocked over by neighboring Northmen.
Where are you, Bronn? We could use some genuine levity, not whatever Tyrion is doing.
Caveats: I know that the state of events at this point in the books isn't exactly exciting, and that it's difficult to translate the events going on all over the world onto the screen.
Rickon stuff feels like motivation for Ramsay to be relevant to undead Jon. Because otherwise, without Sansa, he's just some tinpot ready to get knocked over by neighboring Northmen.
Where are you, Bronn? We could use some genuine levity, not whatever Tyrion is doing.
Do you have a source? I'm pretty shocked HBO would let the cast do this.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
Still pisses me off that his visual looks so cheap. He's basically an old man behind some tree branches, i really wanted something like this:
Yup the effect they use for him is incredibly bad, IMO. Doesn't really look like he is a part of the tree, which is what is intended.
OldGangWarily
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I was just shocked that from that scene on, they completely stopped calling him Robert Strong and just started calling him Gregore :S
fallengorn
Bitches love smiley faces
It looks like he's up in a tiny room of a small black box theater where you do the audio.
il Diavolo
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who found this irksome.
They don't treat bastards harshly in Dorne, but they're still considered illegitimate. Oberyn never married Ellaria, even though she's his lover and a highborn bastard. His kids weren't heirs either.
Then who is King/Queen of Dorne now then? With both Doran and Trystane then (in the show) it must mean the oldest Sandsnake inherited the throne even as a bastard.
Or am I missing something? Who is ahead of Obara in the line of succession?
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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I was kind of thankful for that. The whole Robert Strong name I always found stupid.
Way better. Three solid episodes.
Imo it is better, mostly because there is much less Dorne.
Still not at the level of the first seasons, but still an enjoyable show
Yeah, what is the point of bringing Osha or keeping her alive if they truly were Stark traitors?
I watched the post-show interviews for the first time.
1) Beniof said that everyone in the kingdom knows about the Tower oj Joy fight. Is that true? For some reason I thought only a few Starks (and maybe Reeds and Daynes) knew.
2) The two confirmed that Jon hasn't changed. That's kinda lame.
Overall, kind of a ho-hum episode outside of ToJ and King's Landing. Sucks they killed off Shaggydog.
1) Beniof said that everyone in the kingdom knows about the Tower oj Joy fight. Is that true? For some reason I thought only a few Starks (and maybe Reeds and Daynes) knew.
2) The two confirmed that Jon hasn't changed. That's kinda lame.
Overall, kind of a ho-hum episode outside of ToJ and King's Landing. Sucks they killed off Shaggydog.
I thought it was well placed and executed. Puts some seeds for a possible Qyburn - Varys rivalry too.
I think quite a few scenes this episode were a bit cheesy (little birds, Sam, Varys vs Vala and yes even bran's reaction to the backstab during tower of joy). All of these scenes had a bit of an unnatural feel to them.
The current ruler is probably Ellaria, or Obara if they want to go with the oldest Sandsnake.
The Sandsnakes didn't inherit Dorne. They overthrown the ruling House. There's no line of succession with them in it, because they're not legit Martells. Jon Snow doesn't get to inherit Winterfell if all the Stark kids die just because he's a highborn bastard.
Not that it really matters I guess since the show does whatever. lol
WhereAreMahDragonz
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Was the scene with Tommen and the High Sparrow the most useless thing this show has ever done?
Yes.
Yes.
Cabbagehead
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Which doesn't need to happen in retrospect because i'm sure Jon would have more then enough reason to lay siege to Winterfell and kill Ramsay. On principle alone. Really kind of unneeded to side step and change how the Umbers would really act and are currently acting to make them/him a disillusioned asshole. An off hand their loyalty just because they wildlings may be coming and snow is coming, so they bring Osha and Rickon.
Which they could have used, to get what they wanted regardless of Ramsay. Now D & D will use this so they can have another scene were Ramsay rapes someone or torture some one. I wish they would stop having such a raging hard on for him, at the detriment to the overall story and perfectly fine narrative elements from the books to make one note characters that have zero nuance.
higgsboson1997
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The hell? That was my favourite scenes. It shows the High Sparrow's ability to manipulate perfectly.
seems to me they are shifting the whole house manderly thing in the books to the Umbers
Napalm_Frank
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I definately think Manderlys will play a big part since they namedropped them along with Karstarks and Umbers (who both now have been established as the big allies of Boltons). North will remember.
I'm ready to do avatar bet that Manderlys will betray Ramsay and probably save Rickon, as throwaway character as he is I think he won't die. Ramsay will keep him alive to blackmail Sansa+Jon and the lesser northern houses.
edit: And I loved lord Umber, such a badass lol. He knows Ramsay needs him.
il Diavolo
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high sparrow dialogue getting star wars emperor levels derivative.
"something something something the seven. something something atone."
1) everyone knows it happened, but the specifics are less known.
Everyone knows Ned and Howland Reid survived an epic battle with 3 of Rheagars best Kingsguard Knights. Then afterwards Ned returned Arthur Daynes sword to his family and at some point had a bastard with a random Dornish woman. Shortly afterward Ashara Dayne supposedly committed Suicide when Ned returned north as they were Rumoured to have been lovers before Ned was forced to marry Kat because his brother died
SargerusBR
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Dorne exists so, no.
cartoon_soldier
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Shaggydog is dead
There is no fRickon
Umbers have betrayed the Starts
Will be funny if book does the same shit after Ramsay defeats Stannis in the book too
There is no fRickon
Umbers have betrayed the Starts
Will be funny if book does the same shit after Ramsay defeats Stannis in the book too
Solid ep.
Things are really moving this season. I like it.
They still haven't figured out a way to make Dany's arc any interesting tho.
Unsure about the Rickon thing.
The threat of the Wildlings is real to people in the North so I imagine it is a problem to the Umbers that Jon's let Wildlings through.
I agree that the head didn't look like a Dire Wolves head and that there's no reason to keep Osha alive. So definitely suspicious.
Things are really moving this season. I like it.
They still haven't figured out a way to make Dany's arc any interesting tho.
Unsure about the Rickon thing.
The threat of the Wildlings is real to people in the North so I imagine it is a problem to the Umbers that Jon's let Wildlings through.
I agree that the head didn't look like a Dire Wolves head and that there's no reason to keep Osha alive. So definitely suspicious.
Last Hearth
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All you "it's a fake betrayal by the Umbers" people need to learn the meaning of the term "honeypotting".
It's when the watchers of the show can't believe how badly something is done on the show and try to invent a twist that the show writers are planning in order to make what is currently on the show seem better than it is.
It happened with the Talisa is a secret Lannister spy theory back in season 2 and 3. You're doing it again here.
The Umbers betrayed the Starks and killed Shaggydog on the show.
It's stupid, and it sucks, but it's not going to turn into some awesome GNC scenario.
It's when the watchers of the show can't believe how badly something is done on the show and try to invent a twist that the show writers are planning in order to make what is currently on the show seem better than it is.
It happened with the Talisa is a secret Lannister spy theory back in season 2 and 3. You're doing it again here.
The Umbers betrayed the Starks and killed Shaggydog on the show.
It's stupid, and it sucks, but it's not going to turn into some awesome GNC scenario.
cartoon_soldier
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Only they could potentially do the same in the books too.
Ramsay defeats Stannis in the books. People see that Ramsay defeated fucking Stannis, the wildling part is still true.
I actually prefer the show's Sparrow to the book's. His aggression against characters we don't hate makes him a little more equivocal, and all his added screentime allows for some cool dialogue.
Last Hearth
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I'm talking about the show. I'll talk about what's in the books once it's been released.
neurosisxeno
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Ned and Howland Reed barely survived, and as Ned tells it, it's mostly because Howland outsmarts them--he admits to not being an excellent fighter on many occasions unless they are going to change that for the show. I would say the next part should be followed with a lot of "allegedly's". Ned allegedly had an affair while he was in the south with a woman named Wylla, who we learn was a Wet Nurse at Starfall. Then Ned allegedly took his bastard son back North with him.
The problem is that the timing doesn't really match up for Ned's explanation. This is why a lot of people doubt Jon Snow is actually Ned Stark's son. It's hard to believe that Ned stayed down in Dorne for 9 months without anyone mentioning it, and the fact that 283 AC was the year Robb was born (who is basically the same age as Jon), the year Jon was born, and the year the ToJ happened. Unless Westeros doesn't have years resembling ours (which GRRM has said it does) it's hard to make everything fit. There's also the fact that he mentions Wylla by name to Robert who knew of her, but as far as we know Robert was never in Dorne.
Shaggydog.
So Rickon and Osha are probably the new Ramsay victims? Fuck that.
Not sure about the sincerity of the Umbers though I did love him going in on Ramsay. I think they're adjusting to the state of affairs and might be compelled to turn on him later on.
Varys getting solo screen time was great.
Jaime is basically just a nicer version of his S1 self right now. Whatever.
I liked the Tower of Joy scene but how long do we have to wait for the Lyanna reveal?
Curious where Sansa and Brienne are entering in the preview. If it's Castle Black then Baelish really did teach her how to teleport. Could be an interesting reunion assuming Jon is still there. I don't think they ever spoke in the show and hardly ever in the book.
Curious if Edd and the others will actually stick with the Nights Watch or say fuck it and join Jon's cause.
Good ep, overall.
So Rickon and Osha are probably the new Ramsay victims? Fuck that.
Not sure about the sincerity of the Umbers though I did love him going in on Ramsay. I think they're adjusting to the state of affairs and might be compelled to turn on him later on.
Varys getting solo screen time was great.
Jaime is basically just a nicer version of his S1 self right now. Whatever.
I liked the Tower of Joy scene but how long do we have to wait for the Lyanna reveal?
Curious where Sansa and Brienne are entering in the preview. If it's Castle Black then Baelish really did teach her how to teleport. Could be an interesting reunion assuming Jon is still there. I don't think they ever spoke in the show and hardly ever in the book.
Curious if Edd and the others will actually stick with the Nights Watch or say fuck it and join Jon's cause.
Good ep, overall.
LegendofJoe
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I'm so looking forward to another brutal Ramsay rape and torture scene...not.
The poster who said that Rickon will likely be wearing Osha's skin in a cage is probably right on.
That said I hope Martin stays true to his love of subversion and plans to make Rickon a monster on the same level as Ramsay. That seems like something D&D would enjoy including in the show. Rickon enjoying and appreciating Ramsay's sadism would at least make the scenes less boring and predictable.
But still D&D have to include some part of the Northern conspiracy in the show. The Freys being killed and cooked into pies served to the Boltons and other Freys is too awesome for the show to ignore. The question is if the Manderleys are going to do the deed or if it's the Umbers.
The poster who said that Rickon will likely be wearing Osha's skin in a cage is probably right on.
That said I hope Martin stays true to his love of subversion and plans to make Rickon a monster on the same level as Ramsay. That seems like something D&D would enjoy including in the show. Rickon enjoying and appreciating Ramsay's sadism would at least make the scenes less boring and predictable.
But still D&D have to include some part of the Northern conspiracy in the show. The Freys being killed and cooked into pies served to the Boltons and other Freys is too awesome for the show to ignore. The question is if the Manderleys are going to do the deed or if it's the Umbers.
I've never really understood the obsession with what happened at the Tower of Joy and how it should be shown in the show. The important part is that Jon is a Targaryen. The details of ToJ aren't really relevant to anything. I'd be totally satisfied if the ToJ never appeared and Jon's lineage was revealed in another fashion.
biosnake20
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Man i'm really gonna miss Owen Teale/Alliser.
The White Walkers are still a thing. No way the Night's Watch all suddenly break their vows and leave the wall undefended.
They are still bound by an oath after all. It is only Jon who is now free to leave the Watch if he wants to.
LegendofJoe
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Also Bran having the power to seemingly alter the past is crazy. There is no telling how much that could alter the story. I loved Max Von Sadow's reaction to that. He was like "holy shit, wtf just happened, we need to get out of here."
The dialogue is particularly great, that aside I feel the same.
Neither of those scenes were unnecessary, unless you thought KL was only going to be Cersei/HS all season.
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