David Incorporated Esq.
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Aunt, yeah. Or cousin once removed. Wow, I never realized that aunt/uncle could be the same thing as cousin once removed, and cousin twice removed could be your grandparent.
Weird.
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Aunt, yeah. Or cousin once removed. Wow, I never realized that aunt/uncle could be the same thing as cousin once removed, and cousin twice removed could be your grandparent.
Weird.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
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Because then they couldn't insert Max Von Sydow into the past scenes with Bran.
I wouldn't have a problem with someone asking me about Jojen BBQ though.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
Why not have him be a creepy tree thing in reality and the human version of himself in the dreams/past/whatever?
I haven't seen that theory but I have seen
the one that Jon and Meera Reed are twins. Ned takes Jon and Howland takes Meera. Lol....
Steelyuhas
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Probably production/scheduling constraints, they gotta pick and choose their battles at some point.
We can just take hallucinogens and fantasize he looks this cool.
Might cause an anxiety attack but whatever.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
That's a good idea - they probably didn't think of it!
Whoa, that would be...neat?
I think the only "evidence" is that the two actors have similar hair.
The dialogue of ToJ was so awful. How can we ever expect the people writing this show to be capable of writing dialogue on their own when they're given good dialogue and turn it to shit?
How can D & D think what they've written was better?
Dull episode. The only scenes I saw any reason to care about was this one which disappointed me and the Jon scenes. Dany being in Vaes Dothrak saying her titles to everyone she meets and Sam scenes bother me as much as Dorne. I'm so tired of Ramsay. Jaime's character development is still stalled and they're repeating scenes of the Small Council rejecting Cersei that we already saw last season. Please let this episode be the last of Arya's training.
Yes. I even forgot about this one. It really feels like the writers are airing their own writers block.
The Show said:
The book said:
How can D & D think what they've written was better?
Dull episode. The only scenes I saw any reason to care about was this one which disappointed me and the Jon scenes. Dany being in Vaes Dothrak saying her titles to everyone she meets and Sam scenes bother me as much as Dorne. I'm so tired of Ramsay. Jaime's character development is still stalled and they're repeating scenes of the Small Council rejecting Cersei that we already saw last season. Please let this episode be the last of Arya's training.
Yes. I even forgot about this one. It really feels like the writers are airing their own writers block.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Oh, is there no basis for it in the books? Still, I wouldn't mind if they went that route in the show. It might be cool. ¯\_(ツ
_/¯Here's a link to that theory:
https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/1e361x/spoilers_all_meera_reed_more_than_meets_the_eyes/
Not real evidence mostly just points of why it could be a possibility.
https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/1e361x/spoilers_all_meera_reed_more_than_meets_the_eyes/
Not real evidence mostly just points of why it could be a possibility.
First of all, let's remove everything that isn't dialogue:
Oh look how awful they made it. Half of the names make no sense to show watchers, and they need some refreshing of when this takes place with the references to Rhaegar and Aerys. I guess they could've kept the line about them not fleeing.
I think Ramsay is the only character I want to die. The rest are either compelling, have potential (come on, Jamie and Dany!), or give me something to bitch about (Sand Snakes). Only Ramsay is dragging things down.
I love whoever they got to play Qyburm. He's perfect vacillates between kindly old man and mysterious creep.
I love whoever they got to play Qyburm. He's perfect vacillates between kindly old man and mysterious creep.
DrForester
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I wouldn't care is show Jamie dies or not. He's not nearly as compelling as Book Jamie.
Still bothers me because Jaime was pretty much perfect the first three seasons.
Lol. The poster's name, "MikeTysonsLifeCoach".
Anyway. It's a neat theory. Not entirely implausible but you'd think GRRM would have done just a little bit of foreshadowing. He just can't help himself but to foreshadow things.
Lol. The poster's name, "MikeTysonsLifeCoach".
Anyway. It's a neat theory. Not entirely implausible but you'd think GRRM would have done just a little bit of foreshadowing. He just can't help himself but to foreshadow things.
Dash_Riprock
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Give me a break. All they did was trim out (most of) the pretentious bullshit.
GRRM's dialogue has never been exceptional.
Ocarina_117
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He was fantastic through to the end of season 3.
Scenes with Tywin and Tyrion really helped him in season 4. But lately he's been a drag on the show, as has the KL story line really. Having Lady Oleyna back is fantastic as the setting was lacking great characters.
WrenchNinja
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can some one please kick Jaime out of king's landing already
Except, you can't change the past.. to quote Bloodraven, "the ink is already dry."
I think it's possible on the show but, as you said, Martin doesn't trick people with twists like this. It would be cheap to give Jon's twin sister green eyes. Anything is possible in the show, though.
Meera being the third rider in the books isn't crazy, though. Here's an essay arguing just that: https://weirwoodleviathan.wordpress.com/2015/12/30/young-aegon-vs-the-world-tree/
WrenchNinja
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It's not changing the past if it was meant to happen
Ocarina_117
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The show really feels like it needs to just breath a little and focus on some characterization. It excelled at this in the earlier seasons. A lot has happened the past three episodes, but it still feels like we haven't learned much new about anything.
A big character I want to see fleshed out is Leaf(?) and the Children of the Forest in general. It may be a bit too high fantasy for the general audience... but screw them :').
A big character I want to see fleshed out is Leaf(?) and the Children of the Forest in general. It may be a bit too high fantasy for the general audience... but screw them :').
Yeah, I know.
World of difference in quality in just these two lines side by side.
"Your friend the usurper would lie beneath the ground if we had been."
“Woe to the Usurper if we had been,”
Compared to the show version where you don't know who are half the people fighting and why.
The people I was watching it with had no clue, and how could they? So the scene meant nothing to them.
Why not say they were the Kingsguard? Why not say Jaime just killed their king so the viewers can piece together what's going on? They didn't even say the Mad King was their king. Just that the Mad King is dead.
Bran sent them to the Umbers, no? Who's to say they didn't get there safe, only to have the Smalljon eventually turn on them to bring them to Ramsay. That is, unless it's a ruse..
Shamrock7r
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Agreed. The deaths so far don't have as much impact to me because I feel like they are all coming at a rapid pace, like the show is too trying to quickly remove a lot plotlines.
Ocarina_117
Banned
My ruse (roose haha) theory will be proven true. I feel it in the air, like a voice on the wind.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
The Jamie arc in the show is really tragic, it's as though he never progresses beyond his obsession with Cersei.
If Smalljon doesn't end up being the Manderly substitute I'll be heartbroken. He better end up feeding Ramsay his dogs in a pie.
That's because that's exactly what they're doing.
Steelyuhas
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Yeah, Waif definitely had a reaction to that.
Atraveller
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Oh man someone should add laugh tracks when they fight.
Without a coat!?
Anton Sugar
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I actually enjoyed this episode more than the others of this season, TBH, even if it had some boring parts.
As for the Tower of Joy scene, it was okay. I dislike that they really downplay parts of the lore/mythos, like Dawn. It was supposed to be this fantastic looking greatsword, right?
As for the Tower of Joy scene, it was okay. I dislike that they really downplay parts of the lore/mythos, like Dawn. It was supposed to be this fantastic looking greatsword, right?
AlphaDragoon
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It hurts seeing what they did to show Jaime's storyline. Book Jaime was one of my favorite characters.
Anton Sugar
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Luckily, the rape scene is far enough behind me that I can just forget it entirely and imagine it never happened. Still wish we got more in his head and how he's feeling. They were doing so well up to a point.
DrForester
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They pretty much blew his redemption arc once he got back to Kings Landing. He's pretty much the same guy he was before he got his hand cut off, still devoted to Cersei.
Couldn't even tell which sword was Dawn because both swords he was using looked so generic.
I very much doubt it's a ruse. Doesn't fit with how D&D have been writing everything else. They'll end up making (Speculation)
Rickon's inevitable death at the hands of Ramsay into motivation for Jon in their upcoming battle
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Fletcher: He is a fat nobleman in his 60s. He has distinctive rugged features, a Northern accent, and a distinguished air. Our source says he has a stirring speech during which he unexpectedly shifts political allegiances.
Basically I'm pretty certain that
Fletcher=Wyman Manderly, especially considering that the family has been name-dropped multiple times this season
Can't believe they had the perfect opportunity to have Jaime fight with Cersei on Episode 1 and they didn't take it. What the hell are they doing? Their breakup (assuming that they will break up) should have been slowly building. If it ever happens, you can guarantee it'll be sudden and rushed and won't make any sense. Jaime will probably come off looking like the bad person in it somehow.
Do you think Sansa & co. get to Castle Black next episode? Perhaps they're making a stop at Bear Island or Howl[and Reed]'s Moving Castle?
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
What they did to Reed was just as bad. He should have never run into battle head on as the whole point of the character is that he fought for the north and what was right with underhand tactics, Ned saw the value in that despite his own code of character. The scene makes a smart character look dumb for the sake of a meaningless dual wielding badass.
Then everything is forgiven. Manderly was one of the best damned characters in the books and if we see him represented I'll be content.
I love that this show has made us think characters will just pop into locations that would take weeks to get to.
elrechazado
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They'll change his name from wyman to hymen because wyman is too similar to walder and wyllis. Or something.
Steelyuhas
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Heading North from Winterfell (with horses) since mid-episode one and reaching Castle Black in episode four is far from a stretch of the norm for the show (Jon and Tyrion left Winterfell in episode 2 in season 1 and were there the next episode).
Regardless, in a show that takes place across two massive continents with dozens of important characters, the idea of trying to hold everyone to the same rigid timeline isn't very practical.
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