Bran
That's the show's new thing. If something bad happened in the past, Bran did it.
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Bran
That's the show's new thing. If something bad happened in the past, Bran did it.
I don't watch Marvel movies...
But the White Walkers ties in with Martin's anti-war stance. The Wight Walkers could be seen as a metaphor for nuclear weapons or even the way in which our modern military uses and spits out young men (and women) for their own gain. I really don't get the idea that this is cheap or their mindless monsters or anything like that.
It's an idea that's been done many times before because it's so relevant to our modern world. Though I do expect there to be another twist. We'll see. But the groundwork is solid.
I think it might be Melisandre.
TestOfTide
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From what I've seen of every media attempt at time travel stuff, the only way it works decently is when it follows the ruleset where all events are already set and time travel is simply unusual connections between distant events.
Luckily from what we have seen the show and the books are both following that ruleset. We even have the line from Bloodraven about the "ink already being dry" (implying that you can't change the past).
Vault Dweller 111
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Lol
fallengorn
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"How many greensights is this for you, Bran?"
"Thirty-eight... simulated."
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
That's the whole idea from GRRM he likes to destroy tropes. He introduces them, and then spins it widely.
It was R'hllor.
Atraveller
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Oh right, some divinity in their religion most likely.
Bran's the new Olly? Oh no.
In the books yeah, but I'm guessing the show will simplify things. Melisandre will be more known to the audience and that she's old as hell so she has been around a while.
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I really enjoyed the episode! I thought all the Bran stuff was great, the Hodor part in particular. The idea that it's "one of the worst things GRRM's ever written" is just nuts.
Yeah, I was also thinking of Aliens, lol.
For your second point, it was a delay tactic. She wanted to buy Bran time and take out as many wights as she could. Throwing it wouldn't've been as effective, at least from her perspective.
Yeah, I was also thinking of Aliens, lol.
For your second point, it was a delay tactic. She wanted to buy Bran time and take out as many wights as she could. Throwing it wouldn't've been as effective, at least from her perspective.
Spirit of Jazz
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Why limit it to the past? He just killed a species, Blood Raven, Summer and Hodor.
Varys scene was ridiculously awesome. He's been utterly confident in every scene he's been in due to his knowledge and and then he's legit shook when the priestess knows something that's impossible.
Might not be able to convert him if he really has giant's blood in him. I don't think we've seen any giant wights in the show, or?
Alpha Centauri
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This.
Hold the Door is clearly from GRRM. Beautiful set-up, and a great scene. Better scene than the red wedding.
How anyone can't appreciate that set-up is beyond me. It made so much sense, and lets be honest. D&D aren't creating anything as clever as that. Another wolf dying? Yeah that's all them
Mr. Wonderful
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Why are we saying GRRM wrote the Hodor/White Walker origin part?
D&D revealed in the post-show interview that Martin told them Hodor's backstory. But he didn't tell them how he's going to reveal it so that scene was all them (and great!).
The show has already focused on R'hllor (and mentioned the name), so if they go back it'll just be weird. Melisandre doesn't speak to people through fire, she sees visions from R'hllor in it.
Mel will also be meeting Arya again, in one way or another.
He can warg into his future self and stop himself from warging into people in the past.
Damerman
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the show runners said so themselves in the special after the episode.
Jesus christ... we all almost cried watching that scene... fuck.
Atraveller
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Since Mel is going with Jon, Arya better return soon, else she's going to turn into the new Dany.
TestOfTide
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Except the "time travel" of both the show and the books is pretty blatantly going with the ruleset that all events, including time travel events, are already set in stone.
I hope we finally get Coldhands next week but Bran calls him "Steve"
Yeah, closed-loop time travel. Just like in Harry Potter.
Yeah, closed-loop time travel. Just like in Harry Potter.
Red Arremer
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Haha. Show Euron might as well be called Urine.
Oh sweet summer child. You must be new here to take a Speevy post seriously.
I know. I stand by what I said.
Hey, you're description matched his. I thought it was cute.
But yes, the revelation that the Children created the Walkers is interesting for a number of reasons. I just think it's a shame that they have to mow through all of these plot points without really giving them the proper attention. Very well shot scene though.
I'm curious about how the Night King became the highest rank now(if it is). Perhaps there's other figures back in Ice Mordor.
That's right. It's predestination. It's how Twelve Monkeys handled time travel.
Nymeria is still out there, as well as Ghost. I get the feeling they all will eventually die, though. And I have a feeling Jon will have to kill Ghost by his own hand for some reason - perhaps to put him out of his misery after some grave mauling (Nissa Nissa - in a way it can be said Jon is wed to Ghost).
I think if Cold Hands does pop up to save Bran and Meera, it's going to be Waymar Royce, and we'll find out how Bran created him later with more time travel shenanigans.
Brynden had to show Bran that while he technically told him the truth ("the past is written", or whatever), that he can change the past in a fashion, and how it's actually done. I got the feeling Brynden did this a lot in his days and it haunts him.
Damerman
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if we do get coldhands, i hope we find out whether it's benjen or not in the same episode, though i really doubt they would even reveal it this season.
D&D said that after Bran was touched, he went into a vision with Three-Eyed Raven so he could be taught everything, or as much as he could learn within that short stretch of time. What the heck else did he learn about? I wonder if he'll just casually drop bombs next week talking to Meera.
David Incorporated Esq.
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Azor Azhai had to temper his sword of light by burying it in his wife's chest. I always figured Jon would end up doing something similar with Ghost.
Damerman
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lmao this is the worst prediction i've ever seen. lol. ghost is not that important lol.
All this "Hold the Door" = Hodor hate is ridiculous, but to be expected.
It is the epitome of the Haters gonna Hate logic that tends to emerge in movie and TV show discussions on the internet due to the sheer number of people engaged in the discussion.
I certainly don't begrudge your right to have issues with the reveal, but I do wonder how many of you are seriously upset and how many came here to troll the rest of us who thought it was good and sad.
It is the epitome of the Haters gonna Hate logic that tends to emerge in movie and TV show discussions on the internet due to the sheer number of people engaged in the discussion.
I certainly don't begrudge your right to have issues with the reveal, but I do wonder how many of you are seriously upset and how many came here to troll the rest of us who thought it was good and sad.
Damerman
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wow, if two people came to the same conclusion, maybe i'm missing something. this would be terrible if true.
Ganzlinger
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lol
It's from George R.R. Martin. That makes it good.
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I honestly wasn't expecting a split like this coming to this thread after watching the episode, but maybe I should've.
Lactose_Intolerant
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Hyped for the rest of the seasons
I also wonder instead of giving Victarion a fire hand, the give Theon a fire penis.
I also wonder instead of giving Victarion a fire hand, the give Theon a fire penis.
I never implied it would be an important event, just something that falls vaguely in line, like how all of these prophecies seem to turn out.
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