In all fairness game of thrones always did that. It's just the characters who were going to be relevant were less obvious
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In all fairness game of thrones always did that. It's just the characters who were going to be relevant were less obvious
Wipe out the 2nd child and create another army that wants to kill the King/Lannisters.
Could have made it quicker by just letting the "Sand Snakes" kill her in the garden like they were going to, and let Jamie sneak back out and back home.
half a moon
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I'm pretty sure we get more Dorne. The women in power seeking revenge.
Way too much menial, moving the story arcs along content for a season premiere. I was excited to see what they would do now that the books are essentially through, but there was nothing surprising, at all.
Someone tell me the plan isn't for Danny to spend the whole season trekking back to the widow's tent before being rescued in like the penultimate episode. That would be a real cheap shot for those of us who read the books. You thought Tyrion's journey was tedious and slow? Just you wait!
Someone tell me the plan isn't for Danny to spend the whole season trekking back to the widow's tent before being rescued in like the penultimate episode. That would be a real cheap shot for those of us who read the books. You thought Tyrion's journey was tedious and slow? Just you wait!
tbh this kinda humiliating death for such a big macho chracter is definitely in line with GRRM's style
badcrumble
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I liked that scene, but it's pretty sad that Sansa got immediately downgraded from "about to become a player in the Game" back to "totally helpless and dependent on others" so quickly.
radios shipping overview
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Yeah, where the hell is Bronn?
elrechazado
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What example do you have for this?
It seems much more like the show's casual jettisoning of barristan, not like anything from the books.
Hasphat'sAnts
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Don't forget this amazing piece of dialog.
And grandma showed up at the end of the show... Shining flashback...
bengraven
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I honestly thought it was beautiful and poetic. She is now taking her mother's place in the world symbolically. And everyone involved took it seriously, this isn't some random crazy woman with a sword proposing servitude to some crazy whiny kid. It was solemn and fantastically done.
Say what you will about this show, but they do ceremony fantastic.
Cesare Borgia
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I'm sure we'll get more Dorne, I just don't like the direction. Still I'm curious what the next move is. Without Doran's caution the obvious next step is an invasion of the marches and the Reach. Perhaps that will replace Aegon? Let's say Dorne's army magically gets to Storm's End, then the Tyrells will be forced to deal with it. Tarly is in this season so I'm guessing he'll face off with them while Mace stays in KL to free his daughter.
But who will Dorne support as king, or will this invasion just be about revenge with no end game?
But who will Dorne support as king, or will this invasion just be about revenge with no end game?
The end game is probably that everyone dies, so I'm not sure it matters why dorne invades
So I had the Dornestiff spoiled for me, and Doran totally takes the cake for character most screwed over by this adaptation. The whole plot is wildly unhinged from its book counterpart.
BUT, actually watching it, despite how disappointed I am that the book Dorne plot is not being adapted at all, I'm not even that mad, because that scene was actually totally better than anything they shot for Dorne in season 5.
Other than that, everything was solid. Edd will bring the wildlings and it looks like we get a Castle Black fight next ep, burning the ships sets up the Yara plot (though it's funny they're having to burn off the plot element they specifically introduced to get around doing the Greyjoy plot), and from the preview
Only thing I'm not clear on, are Nym and Obara in King's Landing now? Like did they swim to the boat, alternate costumes in waterproof bags, and slip on board to kill Trystane? Or did Trystane somehow get on a separate boat and sail back? I have no idea.
BUT, actually watching it, despite how disappointed I am that the book Dorne plot is not being adapted at all, I'm not even that mad, because that scene was actually totally better than anything they shot for Dorne in season 5.
Other than that, everything was solid. Edd will bring the wildlings and it looks like we get a Castle Black fight next ep, burning the ships sets up the Yara plot (though it's funny they're having to burn off the plot element they specifically introduced to get around doing the Greyjoy plot), and from the preview
it looks like they're setting up Brienne going to the Riverlands to find Arya. Probably good that it's happening so early in the season, so they can spend plenty of time there.
Only thing I'm not clear on, are Nym and Obara in King's Landing now? Like did they swim to the boat, alternate costumes in waterproof bags, and slip on board to kill Trystane? Or did Trystane somehow get on a separate boat and sail back? I have no idea.
ned, the height of honor and integrity, getting his head chopped off in front of a crowd at a boy's whim?
quentyn, whom sailed across an ocean seeking marriage and ideals, getting burned to a crisp?
robb, king in the north, whom ends up betrayed at a feast and getting his head cut off and sown on grey wind?
tywin, probably the most powerful man in the kingdom, dies to a crossbow from his midget deformed son, while taking a shit?
I'm imagining that Dorne will be of a similar ideology as Robb Stark. War for revenge (though not to rescue hostages) and be done with it, go independent.
Also true. They've long passed the moment of no return.
PHOENIXZERO
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Nym and Obara had jet skis... Or something.
I would think it more to do with Brienne's story, given that her sword is called Oathkeeper.
toddhunter
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That makes a lot of sense.
Still the better theory: They fucked up.
It isn't like the reveal is particularly interesting or changes anything. So she is really an old lady. Meh.
Sho_Nuff82
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I think they would have noticed two armed stowaways on a what, 50 foot boat? For weeks? With Bronn and Jaime on board?
If they took their own boat and just snuck on right that second, there's the logistical problem of hey they just snuck onto a boat in the middle of KL that had the head of Kingsguard on it.
And why would Trystane be living on a boat? One, he's a noble, and normal circumstance would have him staying in a pampered room in the royal court. Since these weren't normal circumstances, nothing in this world would have protected Trystane from Cersei's wrath, which is why it was a common complaint last season that it was idiotic to allow Trystane to leave if they were planning on assassinating his fiancé. Cersei would have dragged him off the boat and strung him up by his balls, international incident be damned.
Ironically it would have been a clever twist if Cersei's wrath was part of the plan all along; but nothing D&D have written for Dorne has shown that level of foresight.
What is the secret point? That she possibly did the book Mance switcheroo on Jon?
We don't know that and it also doesn't change how neat the theory is. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and use it as headcannon.
elrechazado
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All with detailed setup, emotional payoff, and deep plot reasons. Not getting shanked in an alley unceremoniously. None of those is like hotah or barristan at all.
I mean Hotah isn't really a detailed character...he's just a glorified bodyguard, even in the books.
elrechazado
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He's a POV character, not rando Lannister guardsman #36
It's a big deal because it reveals a major thing about Melisandre's character and sets up what will likely be Jon's resurrection.
If D&D have Martin's outline of the series (which they do) and this wasn't part of Martin's plan, it's likely that they wouldn't have put the scene in the series, although perhaps they did "mess up." We'll find out with the subsequent episodes.
Of course, Martin could very well make changes to this outline and we'll never really know. The series and the books have a weird symbiotic relationship at this point, and D&D are ultimately taking the broad strokes and doing their own thing since they don't have finished books to adapt for the remainder of the series.
Wasn't it like one chapter though?
What has he done besides killing that one kingsguard in the books?
half a moon
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I don't sense that at all rewatching the scene.
And there's no way tv writers knew what they were going to do 2 years in the future. That's giving then way too much credit.
Cesare Borgia
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I like the Melisandre theory and I'm sure D&D will latch on to it but I don't believe it. IIRC Selyse's demeanor in that scene seemed envious, ashamed, and perhaps even lustful. More apt to believe it's them fucking up, just like the two sand snakes magically appearing on a boat that set sail while they were on the docks.
Another example of them writing to get to an end point. The "how" doesn't matter. Stannis needs to lose so...20 good men.
Another example of them writing to get to an end point. The "how" doesn't matter. Stannis needs to lose so...20 good men.
Or
The necklace isn't what makes Melisandre look the way she does, but Melisandre.
She takes off the choker, consciously severing her tie to the lord of light as she does, and then removes the glamour that makes her look like a younger woman.
The entire thing is stupid, either way.
It was treated like an earth shattering revelation when it wasn't.
Regarding the rest of the episode, I want to see more of the season before I really weigh in. The premier was slow, and some of the scenes were bad (Dorn scenes in particular) but I want to see where the show ends up going.
Oh well, It's a shame that D&D's writing is my introduction to all this new material.
The necklace isn't what makes Melisandre look the way she does, but Melisandre.
She takes off the choker, consciously severing her tie to the lord of light as she does, and then removes the glamour that makes her look like a younger woman.
The entire thing is stupid, either way.
It was treated like an earth shattering revelation when it wasn't.
Regarding the rest of the episode, I want to see more of the season before I really weigh in. The premier was slow, and some of the scenes were bad (Dorn scenes in particular) but I want to see where the show ends up going.
Oh well, It's a shame that D&D's writing is my introduction to all this new material.
They know Martin's outline for the books, which is of course subject to change depending on what Martin decides to do with The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring.
If Melisandre's true form is from Martin's outline, they likely knew about it two years ago.
biosnake20
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The prosthetics guy for GoT said that they had something planned for season 4/5 and cut it then it finally happened in Season 6. This could be what he was talking about and that would mean they were planning for it since season 4.
elrechazado
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I don't think you really understood my responses. My point, and it's pretty demonstrably true IMO, is that this is typical of the show's poor writing and lack of depth, and the comparisons you made are really not apt. If they were, you could reduce anyone dying for any reason to "that's germ style". Let's just agree to disagree.
This thread typically gives them far too little so I'll keep it as headcannon.
Vault Dweller 111
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So is Jon in Ghost right now?
Psychoward
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I got that feeling but it was probably a red herring.
Sho_Nuff82
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The whole point of Hotah being Doran's personal bodyguard is that no one would ever be able to get close enough to Doran to assassinate him. Especially the sand snakes. In his POV chapter he tenses up to swing at one of them for walking in the room with a bad attitude. He doesn't fuck around because that's his job, he's like secret service or kingsguard.
The moment Ellaria pulled a knife, she would have lost a hand. He certainly wouldn't have allowed himself to be flanked and shanked while on the job.
It's unfortunate that nuance like this is inevitably lost when the material is adapted into 10 hours per season.
The Dorne stuff is by far the weakest parts of the television series.
grandjedi6
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Is Dorne now just a way for Cersei to screw up since the Tyrells are tied up? Or just a background situation forevermore?
But that POV chapter and therefore that character don't exist in the TV show.
Byakuya769
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Bad pussy beats bad gout any day.
kame-sennin
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Shhhh
ending reminded me of season 3 where arya meets Mel and doesnt understand whats so special about her and calls her a witch.
And its true, books 4 and 5 were terrible outside of Jon, Arya, and Davos. All of those storylines are still good in the show. Its the shitty ones that still suck.
And its true, books 4 and 5 were terrible outside of Jon, Arya, and Davos. All of those storylines are still good in the show. Its the shitty ones that still suck.
andythinkpad
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Guys, D&D doesn't have to rely on the necklace to store Mel's magic power, it's just a neat plot device they decided to use. D&D could have made the hot Mel drink a very fancy potion and turn into the granny Mel. The fact that Mel was not wearing the necklace in the tub 2 seasons ago is a very minor plothole IMO. Killing the Dorne kid in the boat is a biiger plothole.
The inherent problem with Dorne is that we really aren't given a POV character in the series that represents that part of the world for the viewer. It's mentioned in passing when Myrcella is sent there by Tyrion through an arranged wedding in Season 2, and we get to know Oberyn Martell in Season 4, and that's it.
It could very well be from Martin's outline for the books, which they know.
hipsterpants
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So the Dothraki are now comic relief? We've come a long way. Unless that dialogue was supposed to be serious.
Freyjadour
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That was real fuckin' bad. Woo. Thanks Georgie.
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