Ingeniero
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Well yeah, except you know.... the important things.
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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 6
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I don't think that's true at all.
I think it probably won't happen in the same way, but a lot of this stuff will happen in the books.
Particularly Arya leaving Braavos, Hodor dying, Dany bringing a Dothraki army, someone fighting and hopefully killing Ramsay, and what everyone knows will happen with the faith storyline in episode 10.
Oh by all means if you guys know better than what the author has no issue with telling whoever asks then perhaps you can outline TWOW for us?
Haha I hope they don't make Littlefinger give a speech in his weird accent before charging.
What the hell are you talking about?
Show seems to be moving fairly slowly for only, what, 15 episodes left in total?
At this rate of things happening but feeling like a snail's pace all the while, the white walkers will get past the wall and be resolved in 5 episodes or less. And there will probably still be filler mixed in.
Blackfish death was dumb, and the whole siege largely pointless. To put it here when it happened much earlier in the books just makes it seem like filler. Blackfish was of no consequence to what is going on, so they brought him back just to off him? In an off-screen needless death no less. Had to get Jaime out of King's Landing somehow I guess.
Arya's plot went from interesting to slow and dull, to now pointless. There was no payoff to what has taken so much screentime.
Tyrion scene was filler too - just retreading the same awkward and needless idle conversation amongst the three of them, for whatever reason.
The Hound's part was the most entertaining, and seemed like actual progressing of his story without taking a whole season or two to do it.
Not sure what's with all the filler. Maybe when the episode scripts were made they hoped to stall and give Martin more time to finish. That's all I can think of to explain the pacing problems.
Way too much filler and unceremonious endings of plots with little or no pay off.
At this rate of things happening but feeling like a snail's pace all the while, the white walkers will get past the wall and be resolved in 5 episodes or less. And there will probably still be filler mixed in.
Blackfish death was dumb, and the whole siege largely pointless. To put it here when it happened much earlier in the books just makes it seem like filler. Blackfish was of no consequence to what is going on, so they brought him back just to off him? In an off-screen needless death no less. Had to get Jaime out of King's Landing somehow I guess.
Arya's plot went from interesting to slow and dull, to now pointless. There was no payoff to what has taken so much screentime.
Tyrion scene was filler too - just retreading the same awkward and needless idle conversation amongst the three of them, for whatever reason.
The Hound's part was the most entertaining, and seemed like actual progressing of his story without taking a whole season or two to do it.
Not sure what's with all the filler. Maybe when the episode scripts were made they hoped to stall and give Martin more time to finish. That's all I can think of to explain the pacing problems.
Way too much filler and unceremonious endings of plots with little or no pay off.
Character development, world building, and smart plot developments? I'd say we're unspoiled.
matrix-cat
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Arya having Daredevil powers is the dumbest thing this show has ever done. They have literally made it canon that Arya can beat The Waif when she's blind, but not when she can see. Eyes open? Unbeatable Terminator. Eyes shut? So trivial it doesn't even need to be shown on screen.
Arya's going to waltz back to Westeros, squeeze her eyes shut and become a Ramsay-vs-Ironborn-tier fighter.
Arya's going to waltz back to Westeros, squeeze her eyes shut and become a Ramsay-vs-Ironborn-tier fighter.
Alpha Centauri
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It's possible to hold the opinions that the books will be in all ways better than the show, while still realizing that the most dramatic, game-changing events are going to happen in similar ways.
If for example, George R.R. Martin intended for Arya to remain in Braavos for the rest of her life and become a theater actress, that would have happened in the show.
If for example, George R.R. Martin intended for Arya to remain in Braavos for the rest of her life and become a theater actress, that would have happened in the show.
Arya literally was stabbed in the gut and had the knife twisted. And yet she jumps from like 3 stories up and then gets chased nonstop as if she was Jason Bourne. Her time with the Faceless Men taught her how to fight and be a good killer, not turn into a super soldier. It is visual artistic liberty. They wanted this chase through the streets. I mean they are supposed to be quiet and remorseless assassins who don't make a scene and yet the Waif is knocking down bystanders and kicking in doors and running like the T-1000.
Last Hearth
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I'm going to try to be as fair to D&D possible, and imagine that when they signed up for this they never expected that GRRM still would not finished with book 6 in 2016. They knew they probably could not write like GRRM can, but they never expected that they'd have too, they expected to be adapting his published material all the way, with maybe the exception of the last season, and they expected himself to be more available to them during the writing process.
None of that has worked out, Martin is way late, and him being way late also means he had to cut back his involvement in the writing process of the show. So they are like Theon in ACOK, finding themselves in charge of Winterfell, a position they are in no way worthy, they can't abandon it, and no matter what they do they are hated by the people in Winterfell because they are viewed as usurpers, and they keep hoping Asha will come to their rescue.
None of that has worked out, Martin is way late, and him being way late also means he had to cut back his involvement in the writing process of the show. So they are like Theon in ACOK, finding themselves in charge of Winterfell, a position they are in no way worthy, they can't abandon it, and no matter what they do they are hated by the people in Winterfell because they are viewed as usurpers, and they keep hoping Asha will come to their rescue.
Like Arya leaving Braavos and having to make a bloody escape? that would be a big change.
-Pyromaniac-
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I don't agree with how critical everyone is being. Yes there is a clear shoddy quality on display at times with the dialog and certain plot lines but honestly it's not terrible. The one thing I actively dislike is the jaimie stuff. Are you going with the redemption arc or not, make up your mind. I hope that they're still getting to that but that speech in the tent didn't seem like it.
I don't know. The rest is alright though. The show transitioned from legit great to popcorn entertainment with glimpses of more a while ago and I've accepted that.
I don't know. The rest is alright though. The show transitioned from legit great to popcorn entertainment with glimpses of more a while ago and I've accepted that.
And on top of that, she spilled the oysters, clams, and cockles on her way down.
Well the thing is, it's always just a few lines away from being great.
It's not as though the entire production is trash. Top quality locations, like holy shit, great actors, no show has ever cast as many decent child actors as Game of Thrones along with seasoned vets who give their all in every scene.
But D and D write every original non-book scene with the purpose of getting rid of a character or a location or a conflict. It's like "I want you here and this works and this is awesome so damn whether it makes sense LET'S KICK SOME ASS."
And every scene plays out that way, unless characters are talking and giving exposition, which I kind of miss, given the alternative of pussies that taste like assholes.
These guys must write this show while masturbating to porn.
Intheflorsh
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I didn't like that scene, but "Daredevil powers" is clearly not what they were going for there. The idea was that since Arya had been training blind, she had an advantage in a room with no light. With the lights on, the waif would have won.
Intheflorsh
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It kind of is, he did approve D&D taking the reigns.
Plus the worst parts of the show (Meereen, the faith) are all his inventions and equally suck in the books.
Touche
Cesare Borgia
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I'm starting to wonder about that. Either Martin simply gave them broad strokes or is piecing out partial info. Or maybe D&D are simply incompetent. Clearly they have an endgame in mind which makes me believe they know where major characters end up.
This season and S5 can't be blamed on Feast/Dance. D&D carved their own path and have failed on their own accord. I've never been a guy demanding purity, I don't care as long as good TV is produced. But multiple storylines are significantly worse than the Feast/Dance storylines thus far. Dorne, the north, Jaime, Sansa, ARYA, post-Dany Meereen (Martin spent half a decade re-writing before realizing Barristan made it work; clearly the show erred removing him), Iron Isles, Reek/Theon. It's been a mess.
Dynamite Shikoku
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Martin probably tried to give them details and D&D were like 'That's fine, George. We'll take it from here'
Intheflorsh
Banned
Well sor-ree.
I think it's more a matter that D and D feel like their writing is why the show is successful.
You can't argue with success. The only thing that would have caused D and D to take things back to the drawing board is public outcry.
You see what the rape thing did. There's barely any sex in the show now. The ratings increase ever year, so what incentive do D and D have to include the Broken Man speech?
Intheflorsh
Banned
I don't know about that, the rape scene with Cersei and Jamie was what initially caused the uproar and they responded by having even more rape scenes the next year with Sansa. They stick to their guns more often than not, if they didn't we'd have LSH.
I want LSH so badomg
Why do I want it so bad
Because they basically teased us with it by showing the Lemoncloak.
They also teased us with Cleganebowl by showing the Hound and now there's no trial by combat? I don't know where the show is going, I thought this season was going to be pure fanservice (which is pretty much the only strength the TV show has over the books) but I don't know where they are taking it now.
Well, I'll keep watching it because I need closure and the books are never coming.
A Human Becoming
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I'm just bummed there might be no Frey killing. I don't necessarily expect them to lose the Riverlands, but at least in the books you have the Brotherhood and Manderlys on the attack. The show just has some houses revolting and supplies being cut.
I think both Walder Frey's death and Wyman Manderly's appearance will happen in the show, but not in the way the books does it.
It is inevitable. The Hound and Mountain have too much history. Cleganebowl will happen but it won't be for Cersei. Will probably be an end game story for the Clegane brothers.
Red Arremer
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I love how the books are setting up this whole succession war between the Freys, by the way. The second Walder drops dead, all his kids are gonna maul each other, while Stoneheart is hanging the rest.
The only thing I really wonder is how Walder is gonna die. I'd love if he just died of something really mundane like falling down and breaking his hip, or peacefully in his sleep.
The only thing I really wonder is how Walder is gonna die. I'd love if he just died of something really mundane like falling down and breaking his hip, or peacefully in his sleep.
GRRM would have given it to them, they just don't like it/can't see how it works without it being spelt out. Because they neither understand or care for the character arcs. Like everything else they didn't adapt. And it's too long, by their own admission their motivation for the series was in portraying the red wedding, and its obvious they've wanted the fuck out ever since.
They are not even comparable, Sansa's rape got headlines even here in Brazil. I guess it was a mixture of being really unnecessary plus people knowing the actress since she was 13, Cersei's weird scene was merely a bleep in the radar. Sansa's was a major uproar everywhere.
Intheflorsh
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I remember people being royally pissed off about the Cersei scene to the point where the director and D&D had to make a statement. Honestly, I thought Sansa got less attention, but maybe that was because I was paying less attention myself.
Cleganebowl is dumb and anybody who wants it is clearly terrible at stories.
That's just them emulating GRR in order to bring an authentic adaptation of the book experience to screen then.
That's just them emulating GRR in order to bring an authentic adaptation of the book experience to screen then.
I have thought Hound would eventually kill the Mountain since that joust episode where Hound prevents Conan Stevens Mountain from killing Loras. This was before I read the books. Then his story about how his brother burned him and the fact that Mountain has been allowed to win. He murdered Elia's kids, raped her, has raped and killed numerous others. Now is a zombie etc. It is only natural that Sandor Clegane's story involves ending his brother.
That's probably for the best, he was just looking for an excuse to not write.
Uh? people think it will happen in the books? I'm talking only about the show.
I think Cleganebowl makes sense for the show because it adds spectacle like the Hardhome battle. For the books, I think it would not make sense to get Sandor out of his gravedigger retirement (if that theory is true of course).
I think Cleganebowl makes sense for the show because it adds spectacle like the Hardhome battle. For the books, I think it would not make sense to get Sandor out of his gravedigger retirement (if that theory is true of course).
adamsappel
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Ugh. I thought that scene was really stupid. I wonder if they made it so they could do an inside-joke casting, or if they wrote the scene and then looked for an appropriate actor. That dialog could have been interesting and world-building, instead of someone sniffing their shit-covered finger, and liking it. The Hound was the only good thing about it, and the best thing in the episode.Didn't realize it was the Game of Thrones impersonator/comedian Steve Love with a cameo and getting his head lopped off in this week's episode.
Every fan fiction suggestion of what Arya would do in this episode, and how the ending of the previous episode would actually made sense, was far better than what D&D provided. I'm similarly flummoxed by what the Riverrun story was supposed to resolve? No soldiers for Winterfell, Blackfish dead, Jamie being cruel (I read Jamie's dialog as more sardonic than NCW played it). And why couldn't they have used "trebuchet"? There's nothing wrong with asking your audience to use Google once in a while.
Dany's entrance was a cheap stage-right gag. The wine and jokes scene was nice and light, but utterly pointless. Seems like Varys is heading back for his encounter with Kevan and Pycelle? I'm cool with Belric and Myros and the Hound joining up, although I'm afraid LSH might happen (I don't think it's a good storyline for the show).
And I didn't think it was a terrible episode, it's just another instance when D&D misuse book material, and their original content isn't as good as the books. For a show-only watcher, it was perfectly enjoyable (as long as you bought into stomach wounds not hindering movement).
Valhalla Rapids
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ive read part of AGoT and im working my way through the books, and forgive me if this is s stupid question, but is there any way that Eddard could still be alive?
There isn't a trial now. That can still change within the next two seasons. I doubt the High Sparrow is going anywhere this season.
No, he is ultra dead.
Valhalla Rapids
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got it. thanks
matrix-cat
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But you know that's not a thing, right? There's no amount of training that can teach you to fight a person when you're blindfolded. That's magical Daredevil powers.
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