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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 6
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Guerrillas in the Mist
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In the books, Jaime has a redemptive arc, though I suppose it's arguable if he deserves one, nor has he completed it. Still, he appears to be trying. Part of that process is rejecting Cersei, not raping her or declaring his obsessive love for her. Perhaps D&D are just cutting to (or inventing) the final straw with the wildfire foreshadowing.
What's weird is that they clearly start going down that path in Season 3. They absolutely nailed the bathhouse scene (I think NCW puts in one of the best performances of the entire series there), but Jamie had some sort of reset button hit once he got to King's Landing, minus his hand.
Utterly bizarre.
Dash_Riprock
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Edit: nevermind I misread
AlphaDragoon
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In the books, Jaime has a redemptive arc, though I suppose it's arguable if he deserves one, nor has he completed it. Still, he appears to be trying. Part of that process is rejecting Cersei, not raping her or declaring his obsessive love for her. Perhaps D&D are just cutting to (or inventing) the final straw with the wildfire foreshadowing.
I never thought I'd like Jaime's character so much in the books, and yet it totally happened. I wish the show Jaime had gotten the same story, I think NCW would have played it well.
In the books, Jaime has a redemptive arc, though I suppose it's arguable if he deserves one, nor has he completed it. Still, he appears to be trying. Part of that process is rejecting Cersei, not raping her or declaring his obsessive love for her. Perhaps D&D are just cutting to (or inventing) the final straw with the wildfire foreshadowing.
I don't think it's so much a "redemptive arc" as it's just us being told he wasn't the cunt we were lead to believe he was.
Spirit of Jazz
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He was a cunt before though. The arc went from him joining the Kingsguard so that he could fuck his sister to him trying to be the best Kingsguard he could be.
Was he a good Kingsguard Knight? The princess and king died under his watch, he had no clue where the king was this season when Tommen converted, and he didn't even realize four other kingsguard were wearing the faith's insignia. If he was trying to be the best, he was failing miserably.
None of his Season 3 scenes "redeem" him or push him away from Cersei, though. He doesn't change, we just see that there's more to him than the honorless, arrogant, self-centered prick we saw up until that point. That is the whole point of his bathhouse monologue - his character was never that simple.
I kind of like the idea that Jaime breaks from Cersei because she unleashes the Mad King's Wild Fire on King's Landing. I wish Jaime didn't spin his wheels for almost three years, but oh well.
Spirit of Jazz
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I thought we were talking about the books where at this point Jamie's motivation is protecting his king by stabilising the riverlands? Show Jamie sucks.
Oh, sorry. Show Jamie is an incompetent, incestuous idiot. Damn shame, too, because Nikolaj Coster-Waldau sure can act.
wesleyshark
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Definitely. He's fantastic as Jamie even when they give his character a whiplash of an "arc".
I'm hoping that this is all for building what will be a "shock" to non-readers when he ends up killing his sister after she torches King's Landing. Speculating, of course. Not sure why else they'd still have him meandering the sibling lust haha.
But then again, they did have Arya do some really idiotic crap in Bravos, so who knows.
Admiral Woofington
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I do not look forward to the eventual death of pod. I'll cry. But as long as lady you don't always die from tobacco sometimes you just lose a lung doesn't show up he'll be good
D and D were so tired of everyone criticizing their writing so they had 10 different people write this season.
They forgot to let them talk to each other.
Admiral Woofington
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The scene was so eventually Tyrion will be about to die and the dragons swoop in to save him.
"Tyrion of house lannister the blood debt is now paid" says one of them
"whoa you can talk now?" asks Tyrion
"according to this show yes we can. Also we have a gateway up our butt that leads directly to kings landing"
Dynamite Shikoku
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What was the point of showing the red woman as an old naked woman
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
That's one of this show's greatest sins. It has a mostly fantastic cast let down by the writers.
Forsaken82
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It's entirely possible that Tyrion is the result of the Mad King raping Tywin's wife and the dragons can sense Targaryan blood.... if I am not mistaken, it has been a popular theory.
Elysium-777
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She'll transfer her life essence into Longclaw, giving it magical flaming properties and permanently turning her into an old woman.
iRAWRasaurus
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In those "Behind the scenes", I believe D&D mention that was to show her "broken" spirit.
Fanservice.
Truly the Shakespeare('s) of our time.
DrForester
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I thought it was foreshadowing that she would be giving her power to save Jon.
That didn't happen, so I have no clue.
Forsaken82
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I didn't get anything regarding a broken spirit. It was to show some new magic and to explain just how "well traveled" she is. She's fucking old... she's seen shit. She was broken because she misread what the flames meant, but that had nothing to do with the fact that she is this crazy old crone hiding in plain sight as a young priestess for a god that no one truly understands beyond those truly devoted, and even then, much like Melisandre, she doesn't quite understand its power despite shes ridiculously old.
DrForester
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Show totally screwing over Jamie is bad enough, but it's extra bad imagining how well Nikolaj would have done with a redemption arc.
mercenar1e
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someones going to be sacrificed to save Westeros. Its either him, Daenerys or her dragons.
SargerusBR
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Daenerys sacrifice herself, Jon becomes King. Sounds good to me.
iRAWRasaurus
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I know right? So gud, setting the standard for years to come.
I get where you are coming from, that's just how I interpreted it from what was said on "Inside the Episode".
Pagusas
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sounds good to me too, Jon wouldnt want to be king, he'd be miserable, and I expect all characters to end up exactly where they dont want to be by the end of the show.
I thought this one felt extremely fake. Beautiful, but fake. Both tents and castle, but tents particularly - too regular.
Except for this shot, i can't think of any, though. even Drogon was skipped as much as possible this season.
mercenar1e
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why else would they build up to the reveal of R+L=J on the show? doesn't he have a stronger claim to the throne than Daenerys?
He doesn't have any claim because he's still a bastard. Nothing really changes.
Queen Sansa vs Dany for the crown.
I always loved the show but what I hate most is how shallow the world now feels compared to the books. It doesn't have that world building and authenticity anymore.
I was thinking about it. What kinslaying means in this universe and yet the show no one cares. What it means to be the Kingslayer yet no ones cares. What it meant that the children of Baratheon all have black of hair but everyone knows Jaime and Cersei basically screw around and no one cares. These ancillary things all fall by the wayside just to tell the 2 minutes of story per scene. Tyrion murders Tywin and is forced to flee and hide. And yet he is just chilling walking down streets in Mereen only caring about wine and jokes etc.
I was thinking about it. What kinslaying means in this universe and yet the show no one cares. What it means to be the Kingslayer yet no ones cares. What it meant that the children of Baratheon all have black of hair but everyone knows Jaime and Cersei basically screw around and no one cares. These ancillary things all fall by the wayside just to tell the 2 minutes of story per scene. Tyrion murders Tywin and is forced to flee and hide. And yet he is just chilling walking down streets in Mereen only caring about wine and jokes etc.
Yup this has been one of my biggest complaints for a while now. At some point in S4 they totally abandoned world building and the show became a lot weaker for it. Weirdly, the most recent episodes had a bit of it with bringing back the Freys and Brotherhood, but it's a small respite.
Byakuya769
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I doubt he's a bastard. Just need a weirwood tree for a marriage...
Did Rhaegar divorce Elia?
reelbigtink
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My new crackpot theory: Gendry = Euron, just like how Wesley became the Dread Pirate Roberts.
Gendry
Two wives in two religions.
Although Jon still wouldn't be in the line of succession to anything.
He'd have to be legitimized by a king, which would require some real plot contrivances to happen.
Weird that Davos doesnt give a shit. Either there is a Florent there or maybe the Lannisters or Tyrells got it．
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