Ramsay absolutely did not think Cailin was worth defending; Roose chastised him for making that decision. And Greywater isn't a thing in the show, apparently. Getting through the Twins is a bit of a question mark, Frey should have at least known about it. But then Frey would think Littlefinger, Lord of Harrenhal and ally of Lannister was his own ally as well; he might've just let The Vale army pass on Littlefinger's lie that they were going to reinforce Bolton.
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Ramsay absolutely did not think Cailin was worth defending; Roose chastised him for making that decision. And Greywater isn't a thing in the show, apparently. Getting through the Twins is a bit of a question mark, Frey should have at least known about it. But then Frey would think Littlefinger, Lord of Harrenhal and ally of Lannister was his own ally as well; he might've just let The Vale army pass on Littlefinger's lie that they were going to reinforce Bolton.
The Hermit
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I'm not judging her actions through our modern lens. I'm using examples from the show to point out that Sansa's actions crossed a line.
Isn't the frey army stuck at the tully Castle?
Lactose_Intolerant
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I don't know but Littlefinger said his army was camped there when he met Sansa earlier. So who knows how they actually got through there.
Supposedly, it's only possible to move a host as large as an army from South to North by crossing the bridge at the Twins. Even if Frey didn't have an army to oppose LF, he could've just barred the gate and delayed or prevented LF's passage.
But of course he would just let LF pass unmolested. Why wouldn't he?
Same here. That shot of Jon standing alone facing the oncoming cavalry, in particular, really made it feel like this episode was a movie.
Baldwin_the_First
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Great post mate, everything you wrote was sound and I thoroughly agree with it all. fantastic episode and super glad the same director is doing the finale also.
wesleyshark
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Ganzlinger
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It would be a surprising twist if during next episode it is revealed that Littlefinger killed Walder Frey after he let them pass. We know that he loved Catelyn. I know he would only do that if it wouldn't ruin his plans, but who knows.
demosthenes
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Actually that's a really interesting point that I had not thought of yet. LF is always portrayed as logic above emotion b/c well, we don't see enough of him to have emotion but I wonder what his feelings are to the Frey's. I would have to imagine wanting them dispatched without angering the Lannisters?
I thought I saw that. I wonder why
Jamie didn't run back to Cercei right away. If he's in Riverrun, that goes against the theory that he's going to kill Cercei before she can unleash the wildfire.
That comment about Ramsay was interesting. I didn't really consider Jon as one of the best swordsmen in Westeros in either the show or book but with so many top tier swordsmen dead now, he actually might be.
He also fought super well in the battle itself, so I can definitely believe it.
He also fought super well in the battle itself, so I can definitely believe it.
Baldwin_the_First
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Love it.
I was a little disappointed with Wun Wun. Was hoping for more of this:
Look at how effortlessly he swings that thing. Bolton calvary and infantry would've been shredded from 10 yards away. Or, as someone else said earlier, just have him throwing bodies around. They would be like mini boulders with all their padded armor and clothing.
Song of Ice and Fire.
Now Tyrion has to crawl from under a pile of whores and we'll know he's a Targ for sure!
Crushed Beetle Husks*
Or Meera from a pile of wights...
cebri.one
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Amazing episode. We all knew rickon was going to die, ramsay knew he couldnt let him leave. I'd say he, with Robb Stark, were the best strategist of the series. Even Tyrion is not that smart IMO.
I'm so thrilled thinking of what's going to happen next. How the lannister will deal with the fanatics? How will they react when they discover a massive army of dead people is going south? Will they ally with the stark? The series are coming to an end and there are not that many episodes left. Events will unfold pretty quickly i'd say.
I'm so thrilled thinking of what's going to happen next. How the lannister will deal with the fanatics? How will they react when they discover a massive army of dead people is going south? Will they ally with the stark? The series are coming to an end and there are not that many episodes left. Events will unfold pretty quickly i'd say.
I was a little disappointed with Wun Wun. Was hoping for more of this:
Look at how effortlessly he swings that thing. Bolton calvary and infantry would've been shredded from 10 yards away. Or, as someone else said earlier, just have him throwing bodies around. They would be like mini boulders with all their padded armor and clothing.
Exactly. Shit was contrived just so he died.
peanutbutterlatte
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I love how painfully clear it was Rickon was never making it out alive (Sansa even said so quite coldly), but I was still rooting for him to get over there. Sigh.
Lactose_Intolerant
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secret jedi
Weirdly, the Rickon scene was the only time I "liked" Ramsay. Normally, he's sadistic just to be sadistic, but this was a real plan he enacted to draw his enemy into the open. After years of us complaining that the show handed him unearned victories, we finally saw that he had some cunning beneath his brutality. Plus, his cockiness made the scene all the more painful to watch. We knew he would eventually land a hit but I was still rooting for Jon to somehow save his brother.
I really loved Iwan Rheon's performance in this episode, even his nod toward Silence of the Lambs when he was tied up.
I really loved Iwan Rheon's performance in this episode, even his nod toward Silence of the Lambs when he was tied up.
Oh no, he would have gotten lit up still. But that shield wall would have been useless when they formed up, encircled, and started crushing them. Wun wun is his own battering ram.
What did Yara and Theon get out of their deal with Dany? Presumably Dany will help them kill Euron. But in exchange, they'll give up their ships, their independence and way of life. They say Euron took the throne from Yara, but in reality she just lost what is the closest thing to a democratic election in Westeros. Who's she to make the call that the Ironborn should change their entire way of life to appease some dragon queen? Should've just sold some ships and bought a faceless man to kill Euron, apparently even actors can afford them!
/annoying nitpicks
/annoying nitpicks
SoRuffShoNuff
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This is a world where people get their heads chopped off for lying, fingers chopped off for smuggling, and duels are a perfectly acceptable way to determine if someone is guilty or innocent. In this world Sansa is not a war criminal.
This episode was cathartic. I can't believe that Bolton is finally dead, and we had two scenes of him getting wrecked.
The episode might be one of the most unsettling ones. The direction did an amazing job on making the battle gruesome and I loved that most of it was on Jon's point of view. Hell, the opening scene was thrilling with the clash of the horses. I think I might liked this even more than Hardhome or Blackwater. Also, I can't believe that Tormund survived. I thought all these joke scenes with him at the start were deathflags, and his beating didn't help. Oh, and Littlefinger's smug face made my day.
The Khaleesi-Yara scene has to be one of the most cheesy scenes though. The wink game was unreal.
The episode might be one of the most unsettling ones. The direction did an amazing job on making the battle gruesome and I loved that most of it was on Jon's point of view. Hell, the opening scene was thrilling with the clash of the horses. I think I might liked this even more than Hardhome or Blackwater. Also, I can't believe that Tormund survived. I thought all these joke scenes with him at the start were deathflags, and his beating didn't help. Oh, and Littlefinger's smug face made my day.
The Khaleesi-Yara scene has to be one of the most cheesy scenes though. The wink game was unreal.
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If Wun Wun just fell on them, it would've broken the phalanx. D&D did him dirty.
demosthenes
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A poor actress hiring a faceless man to kill probably a just well off actress wouldn't cost that much. A nobody wants a nobody dead.
The daughter of the former ruler of the Iron Islands wanting to kill the currently ruler of the Iron islands would cost $$$$$. Someone with wealth and power wants someone with wealth and power dead.
Yeah, people are being a bit too hard on Jon's decision to run after Rickon. He was just brought back from the dead, hasn't really given much of a fuck since, would rather have stayed dead, and thinks this is a hopeless battle that he can't win. Risking a life he doesn't care about (his own) to save one he does seemed like a pretty logical decision.
there wasn't any really, it was just a mostly well done battle on a scale unusual to tv
wesleyshark
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Amazing.
Running after Rickon was fine and made sense character wise. The issue was Jon charging straight at the Bolton army by himself after Rickon died. Why not try to take Rickon's body back to his army instead?
Blue Ninja
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That'd be great. The music in this episode alone was god-tier.
Mhm okay, I can get behind that!
Of course. She could tie him to a chair and push bamboo under his fingernails for a few weeks, or feed the dogs one part at a time to draw it out. His death was pretty quick and easy by Westerosi standards - he was gone in a few seconds. Again, not nice but nowhere near what he did or why.
A huge battle and the death of Joffrey v2.0. I mean, if you're invested on the show, this absolutely delivered. There were a lot of great scenes.
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