Admiral Woofington
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I can see Jon and his siblings learning the truth from Bran, and then telling him that even if not their brother that he still has Stark blood in him so that he's a Stark. Which is what he always wanted to be.
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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 6
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wesleyshark
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This episode covered a large section of time. No one Teleported or Fast Traveled. Just because certain plot threads happen in the same episode, doesn't mean that they took the same amount of time to actually happen congruently.
The Elite
BOSS
Mormonts and Targaryens seem to be linked. Jorah with Dany, Jeor with Aemon and now Lyanna Mormont with Jon Snow the half Targaryen.
It's completely meaningless but something I have noticed.
She did it when she killed Meryn Trant
Moff
Member
Twist. It's Jaqen heading for Oldtown
The Elite
BOSS
lololololol
The show will definitely have such an ending.
The books I can imagine a more bittersweet ending, with sacrifice, or someone taking the place of the nights king to subdue the White Walkers instead of outright defeating them, etc.
Jon is probably a legitimate Targ. There is precedent for targaryen marrying more than once. The Kingsguard was also present at the ToJ. This may be because Raeghar ordered them to, or they might have been protecting the king.
Even if Lyanna wasnt married, he would still be a legitimate Stark( to north at least) in the books because Rob legitimized him and named him heir.( not explicitly stated, but still)
Howland Reed holds both secrets. Even if Robs' will is not part of the series, i think Howland Reed will show up in the show as well. Will be fun to watch
Even if Lyanna wasnt married, he would still be a legitimate Stark( to north at least) in the books because Rob legitimized him and named him heir.( not explicitly stated, but still)
Howland Reed holds both secrets. Even if Robs' will is not part of the series, i think Howland Reed will show up in the show as well. Will be fun to watch
Salty Catfish
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Everyone over at my place burst out laughing when we noticed, too. I mean, yeah, they obviously meant for quite a bit of time to have lapsed during this episode, but him just popping up in the background like that was so silly.
Moff
Member
Damnit, I completely forgot that, and so did tons of other who felt she learned nothing in her time with the Faceless men.
What if Varys doesn't actually exist? What if it's a bunch of people swapping faces? Or what if Varys is a twin? What if they're a group of warlocks changing appearances?
It could certainly be a continuity error, a late scene addition (since it's also weird the King's Landing news spread so quickly to the south) that was supposed to be in the first ep of next season instead, but you can't exclude the possibility of there being more than one Varys at any given time.
How did Cersei become queen? I mean, there's no rightful claim there, she just married into the king's family. With no living Baratheons left are the Lannisters the new royal family? If so, shouldn't that make Jaime the King? Don't get me wrong, I loved the scene and that she is going to be the mad queen, but it doesn't make that much sense considering how they wrote the story so far.
Also, when Bran gets to Winterfell, will he become the King in the North or is Jon Snow a legitimate Stark heir now?
Also, when Bran gets to Winterfell, will he become the King in the North or is Jon Snow a legitimate Stark heir now?
Pagusas
Elden Member
...she has done it before, effectively, when she killed Meryn Trant. Its the whole reason we had to put up with her being blind and such as punishment.
Hold on let me get that picture.
[edit] Dammit I can't find it. It was funny though! This will have to do instead.
She just blew up all her competition, literally, destroyed the great sept, and showed everyone in King's Landing that she gives no fucks anymore. She also has a zombie headsmasher as a bodyguard. With no one left to oppose her, who would be stupid enough to object to such a coronation? Might makes right. What rightful claim did Robert have? I don't think this is particularly different.
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Moff
Member
Legitimization through conquest, she killed everyone else and has the strongest army in king's landing under her control. However, he rule won't last long and I'm sure this will be brought up in the next season. She will be a tyrant.
wesleyshark
Banned
There's no one to oppose her, and she's always wanted the throne.
Peter Ian Staker
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Tommen:
Good episode overall, teleporting characters aside.
I knew from the leaks what was about to happen so when he removed his crown I was like "please don't do it like that. I will remember this gif and laugh like an idiot.". They should have used a different camera angle or at least some dramatic music.
Yes it's stupid and yes she shouldn't have access to the faces. It's D&D.
The implication is that he's raping her hence the Shame line and I think duckroll heard the Mountain unbluckling his armor.
Well, Robert had Targaryen blood, he would have been the rightful heir had he actually succeeded in murdering all the Targaryens.
wesleyshark
Banned
It's not stupid. She's face changed before...
And how does she have access to those faces? It's not like you can go pick them up at Westeros Walmart.
She was in the hall of faces when she put the Waif's face there, she just stole one.
Alternatively, she killed a random wench or found a corpse somewhere and cut the face off herself.
Neither of these are outlandish to me.
Bustanen
Member
She raided the face library at bravos?
wesleyshark
Banned
Then that makes the Jacquen scene even stupider.
wesleyshark
Banned
He knew that she would leave. He knew that she would become an assassin in Westeros.
Pagusas
Elden Member
We dont know the conditions she left the many face god's temple in, he was smiling at her as she left, perhaps he gave her access to his tools. Regardless off all the things you could pick to complain about, this one is stupid.
So they just up and let her take Faceless Men equipment for shits and giggles? It's not like Walder is on a hit list.
wesleyshark
Banned
He was, actually. On Arya's.
Tal Shiar Agent
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So Daenerys is Jon's aunt? Do you think they'll still pair the two off as theorized?
Almost all of the Targaryens married within the family, they wanted to keep their bloodline pure, since they were one of the last Valyrian houses after the fall of Valyria.
The whole Faceless Men arc in the show makes zero sense. She failed her training but he essentially went whatever and gave her all the tools to give on a killing spree despite that not being how the Faceless Men operate or seemingly condone?
Pagusas
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Do you even watch the show? He's on her list and thats the list that matters, the many face god wouldnt have taken her in if it wasnt what mattered. The faceless god was smiling and happy that she was leaving/became Arya Stark again, whatever test he was running her through she passed. They left each other on good terms and its likely he would have either let her use a face or have access to his tools, which he likely has in many places. Arya has already shown she knows how to faceswap, she used it before to murder someone on her list.
What show are you watching? Go rewatch her leaving the faceless god, the dude was strait up smiling with the the good ol "all according to plan" smile. She passed his test.
She didn't fail her training. She failed the initiation, but it seems she passed the training, since well... in the end she did kill the other disciple!
Already Torn
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Yo, that was super entertaining. Jaime's face when he realized Cersei did exactly what he killed Aerys for, Davos acting his ass off, some real cinematic shots throughout, and the best character going out strong, only to be foiled by stupid Bernie Sanders feeling the Bern.
Only missteps were dumb Dorne and the Samwell Tarley comedy hour. I also don't buy Tyrion believing in Dany. I guess if I really had to complain the whole Frey thing didn't land as well as it did in the books with Frey pie. Can't wait to see what happens with Sansa and Cersei next season!
Only missteps were dumb Dorne and the Samwell Tarley comedy hour. I also don't buy Tyrion believing in Dany. I guess if I really had to complain the whole Frey thing didn't land as well as it did in the books with Frey pie. Can't wait to see what happens with Sansa and Cersei next season!
I guess the training must have the same rules as the Thunderdome.
It's funny, because until this episode I would have said the exact opposite.
This definitely seems like something the book would push and the show would have misgivings doing. An incest marriage between heroes is harder to pull off in a show than it is on a page.
But then they made Jon King of the North and made a big deal out of Dany freeing herself up for a political marriage.
Yooo and the music too!!
No shit. My point is that it doesn't make any sense.
Moff
Member
it definitely doesn't make sense that he let her go. her taking equipment doesn't even matter. she knows the secrets of the faceless men AND is basically a faceless man gone rogue. there is no way this could be good for the faceless men. it was not explained enough why jaquen would let her go.
blazenumb1
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Couldn't stop thinking of this scene from IT Crowd when Tommen jumped out the window
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3txRySd2g4E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3txRySd2g4E
Bustanen
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Have I missed something? Jaqen is a god?
Its not, actually, since the Faceless Men plotline ended up making zero sense.
He probably returned on board of the Dornish ships that were already a part of Danys Armada in the final scene:
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