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[Kozak]

He had Beric explain his loss of memory and how each time he came he felt like he was missing a piece of himself. And then he went one step further with Lady Stoneheart to hammer home that their changes run so deep that they are now different people. Same with The Mountain becoming Robert Strong.

I thought the combination of personality and name changes cemented the idea that death and resurrection create a fundamental change.

Except everyone who is resurrected still seems to recollect who their allegiance is to, who their enemies are and their mission.

Man, coming back from the dead would change you regardless. I'm happy to accept that. I'm not accepting that the magic was the cause of the change.

 

[Owed T'Alex]

I'm finding myself a fan of the Robby and Cersei team on the show. I hope they get a few more scenes before Ramsay offs them

 

[Gigglepoo]

Man, coming back from the dead would change you regardless. I'm happy to accept that. I'm not accepting that the magic was the cause of the change.

Totally agree. Martin didn't say it was a magical change, either. It's like waking from a coma and being disoriented and confused. But that change does happen to everyone who comes back which means resurrection is extremely traumatic.

 

[Kozak]

Totally agree. Martin didn't say it was a magical change, either. It's like waking from a coma and being disoriented and confused. But that change does happen to everyone who comes back which means resurrection is extremely traumatic.

I'm definitely down with resurrection being extremely traumatic.

I think Jon's revival expressed that too.

 

[FootballFan]

I want Jon to return completely focused on the mission, but with a terrible and cruel twist to his demeanor.

 

[Speevy]

I want Jon to return completely focused on the mission, but with a terrible and cruel twist to his demeanor.

Bring me my Olly, sword.

 

[Sickboy007]

I want Jon to return completely focused on the mission, but with a terrible and cruel twist to his demeanor.

He knows everything, the other brothers hate him at quiz nights.

 

[FootballFan]

i want him to show an extremely cold and heartless attitude toward anybody that stands in his way in defeating the threat
better?

 

[LifEndz]

Wouldn't that be auntie-nephew incest?

Yeah, I'm sure that's where the Targaryens draw the line. Brother sister, no problem. Aunts and nephews....I bid you good day.

 

[Turin]

I recall Beric seemed emotionally numb and kind of detached from the world he's in. More in the book than in the show.

I've been expecting that from Jon to a lesser extent. His memory's of the past life all basically there but much more distant, like they happened 20-30 years ago.

 

[Apt101]

I recall Beric seemed emotionally numb and kind of detached. More in the book than in the show.

I've been expecting that from Jon to a lesser extent. His memory's of the past life all basically there but much more distant, like they happened 20-30 years ago.

Beric became more narrow and focused. He eventually was only living to fight those who were warring in, wherever, the Riverlands? He lost any kind of wide perspective he had on life, the kingdom, and the war. It can be argued that given enough resurrections he would have been indistinguishable from a wight. Living to fight with no humanity left. LSH is already pretty damn close - "she" exists to punish specific people. Nothing more.

 

[bishopcruz]

The question in the books, is how will John moving into Ghost affect things. Since his 'soul' so to speak would not have moved on, he may make it through the resurrection in better shape than most. This is something a lot of people ignore, and the show kinda hinted at a Ghost connection, so we'll see.

Either way, I'm not expecting a huge change from John in the show. I think it will be superficial at best.

 

[Apt101]

The question in the books, is how will John moving into Ghost affect things. Since his 'soul' so to speak would not have moved on, he may make it through the resurrection in better shape than most. This is something a lot of people ignore, and the show kinda hinted at a Ghost connection, so we'll see.

Either way, I'm not expecting a huge change from John in the show. I think it will be superficial at best.

I think Bran is going to help guide Jon's soul back to his mortal form in the books. Ghost may be a component of the journey.

 

[Gigglepoo]

The question in the books, is how will John moving into Ghost affect things. Since his 'soul' so to speak would not have moved on, he may make it through the resurrection in better shape than most. This is something a lot of people ignore, and the show kinda hinted at a Ghost connection, so we'll see.

Either way, I'm not expecting a huge change from John in the show. I think it will be superficial at best.

We don't ignore it. Varamyr and Jojen both talk about how inhabiting another animal's body changes you.
And the longer you're in another's body, the more like that creature you become.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Finalize is 69 minutes long

WoWzers

http://www.hbo.com/search?type=schedule&focusId=787226

 

[munchie64]

Finalize is 69 minutes long

WoWzers

http://www.hbo.com/search?type=schedule&focusId=787226

Let's fucking do this.

Edit:
Wall comes down
Dragons in Westeros
Dragon Bran
Euron blows horn

 

[Steelyuhas]

Finalize is 69 minutes long

WoWzers

http://www.hbo.com/search?type=schedule&focusId=787226

Makes it the longest episode of the show.

 

[ZeroRay]

Finalize is 69 minutes long

WoWzers

http://www.hbo.com/search?type=schedule&focusId=787226

Probably gonna have a 10 minute recap starting with footage from season 1 before the intro credits.

 

[Gigglepoo]

Let's fucking do this.

Edit:
Wall comes down
Dragons in Westeros
Dragon Bran
Euron blows horn

Loras walk of shame!

 

[Deadly Joker]

Let's fucking do this.

Edit:
Wall comes down
Dragons in Westeros
Dragon Bran
Euron blows horn

Cleganebowl

 

[TheCowboyPoet]

Finalize is 69 minutes long

WoWzers

http://www.hbo.com/search?type=schedule&focusId=787226

Oh yeah

 

[Massa]

Probably gonna have a 10 minute recap starting with footage from season 1 before the intro credits.

I may be remembering it wrong but I think this is exactly what happens every year when there's talk of a longer final episode.

 

[Steelyuhas]

I may be remembering it wrong but I think this is exactly what happens every year when there's talk of a longer final episode.

Recaps are not included in those run times.

 

[hipsterpants]

Battle of Mereen

Believe (kinda)

 

[munchie64]

Cleganebowl

GET HYPE

 

[News Bot]

He had Beric explain his loss of memory and how each time he came he felt like he was missing a piece of himself. And then he went one step further with Lady Stoneheart to hammer home that their changes run so deep that they are now different people. Same with The Mountain becoming Robert Strong.

I thought the combination of personality and name changes cemented the idea that death and resurrection create a fundamental change.

Catelyn never "changed." She was always a bit of a bitch. Then she and her family were slaughtered. Her "transformation" isn't so much a product of her resurrection as it is a natural response to her experiences. She doesn't forget anything, that we know of. I think people misunderstand what George means by them becoming different people. Narratively they do, because he doesn't like someone coming back from the dead the same as before they died.

 

[Speevy]

Loras walk of shame!

Cock waggler #6 gets a second chance.

 

[Cornballer]

More episode loglines from HBO:

May 15th:

Book of the Stranger

Spoiler

Tyrion (Peter Dinklage) strikes a deal. Jorah (Iain Glen) and Daario (Michiel Huisman) undertake a difficult task. Jaime (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau) and Cersei (Lena Headey) try to improve their situation. Written by David Benioff & D. B. Weiss; directed by Dan Sackheim

May 22nd:

The Door

Spoiler

Tyrion seeks a strange ally. Bran (Isaac Hempstead Wright) learns a great deal. Brienne (Gwendoline Christie) goes on a mission. Arya (Maisie Williams) is given a chance to prove herself. Written by David Benioff & D. B. Weiss; directed by Jack Bender.

 

[Iksenpets]

More episode loglines from HBO:

May 15th:

May 22nd:

Spoiler

Bran learns a great deal has to be the R+L=J reveal, right?

 

[Speevy]

I wonder if there is a magic decoder ring for what these cryptic words mean that they use in every episode.

Like "learns a secret" means "get killed", "makes a deal" means the other party is going to betray them.

 

[Moff]

Spoiler

Bran learns a great deal has to be the R+L=J reveal, right?

Spoiler

may also be related to the white walkers when he meets the nights king

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

Might not be important to the overall story but a reveal

Spoiler

of what really happened with Lyanna at the tournament at Harrenhal

?

 

[gspec]

Might not be important to the overall story but a reveal

Spoiler

of what really happened with Lyanna at the tournament at Harrenhal

?

that is not really important to show in the tv show maybe the book. It has been alluded to that she may have been the mystery knight that defend Holland Reed at the tournament and that Rhaeghar went looking for the Knight and found Lyanna as the knight and took her because of a passage from a book he read.

 

[bodyofanamerican]

More episode loglines from HBO:

May 15th:

May 22nd:

I wonder if they've kept Jon out of every logline this season.

 

[hoos30]

Might not be important to the overall story but a reveal

Spoiler

of what really happened with Lyanna at the tournament at Harrenhal

?

I hope not. The dichotomy between what we are told and "what really happened" there is one of the nicest touches of the entire book series and would be damn tough to pull off on camera.

 

[biosnake20]

New Beautiful Death

 

[fuzzyset]

Might not be important to the overall story but a reveal

Spoiler

of what really happened with Lyanna at the tournament at Harrenhal

?

Considering they teased

Spoiler

TOJ

in the season 6 trailers, I would be surprised if that is in this season given it would be a huge scene.

New Beautiful Death

That's a cool poster. Someone on Reddit mentioned you can see Ramsay feel Roose up when they hug looking to see if he's wearing chainmail. Nice touch.

 

[Gigglepoo]

The Door is going to reveal that there aren't any red doors (or lemon trees) in Bravos. Dany is a secret Dayne raised in Lys confirmed!

 

[Speevy]

I'm curious about one of Roose's final lines to Ramsay.

He tells him that if he gets a reputation as a mad dog, he'll be taken out back and slaughtered for pig feed.

Then he says "You'll always be my blood."

Did I read into that to mean that while he will honor his son's title, he will not inherit Winterfell? Or is he simply trying to keep Ramsay from doing what he knows he's about to do? Does Roose intend to kill Ramsay out of fear?

 

[Blue Ninja]

I'm curious about one of Roose's final lines to Ramsay.

He tells him that if he gets a reputation as a mad dog, he'll be taken out back and slaughtered for pig feed.

Then he says "You'll always be my blood."

Did I read into that to mean that while he will honor his son's title, he will not inherit Winterfell? Or is he simply trying to keep Ramsay from doing what he knows he's about to do? Does Roose intend to kill Ramsay out of fear?

He says "you'll always be my firstborn". So he did mean for Ramsay to inherit Winterfell... At least for now.

 

[Speevy]

I think Roose liked to fuck with Ramsay to make him do things for him.

 

[CassSept]

'Book of the Stranger' is certainly a curious title.


Second episode was an improvement but damn, if I didn't read the books Balon's death would have been confusing. A previously unseen(/unmentioned) brother suddenly appearing out of nowhere is soap opera-level.

 

[Speevy]

'Book of the Stranger' is certainly a curious title.


Second episode was an improvement but damn, if I didn't read the books Balon's death would have been confusing. A previously unseen(/unmentioned) brother suddenly appearing out of nowhere is soap opera-level.

A brother half his age. Iron islanders do plow the fields.

 

[Deleted member 102362]

A brother half his age. Iron islanders do plow the fields.

But why do that if They Do Not Sow?

 

[bishopcruz]

'Book of the Stranger' is certainly a curious title.


Second episode was an improvement but damn, if I didn't read the books Balon's death would have been confusing. A previously unseen(/unmentioned) brother suddenly appearing out of nowhere is soap opera-level.

I would have preferred a faceless man do it. But what you gonna do?

 

[Speevy]

Killing Balon is an excellent way to introduce Euron. It makes absolutely no sense, but if you're going to make an introduction, why not throw Balon Greyjoy off a bridge?

 

[LegendofJoe]

It was implied that Euron likely had something to do with Balon falling off that bridge. I'm pretty sure Asha/Yara voiced those suspicions in the books.

 

[Gigglepoo]

'Second episode was an improvement but damn, if I didn't read the books Balon's death would have been confusing. A previously unseen(/unmentioned) brother suddenly appearing out of nowhere is soap opera-level.

The show really struggles with exposition/explanation. Every book reader seemed to adore Bran's visit but the show watchers I've read and heard were confused and didn't have any emotional connection to the characters. It's a shame because there are great scenes that only a fraction of the viewers really care about.

But the second episode was a significant improvement over the first. It's a wonder what removing Dorne can do! Though now that Jon is awake I'm much less interested in the North's story. I figure that Jon and Davos will rally the Northern Houses and then defeat Ramsay in a war. So there's no real surprise there.

King's Landing, though, is a major wildcard. I imagine that Loras will die but I also think that Maegery will become pious (or pretend to be) but those two events can't both happen. Or can they? And I also think Cersei is going to be the one to kill Tommen. And then there's The Mountain... maybe The Mountain kills Tommen 'protecting' Cersei? I don't know what to think!

I would have preferred a faceless man do it. But what you gonna do?

Nah, it's all about Jason Mallister in the books.

 

[bishopcruz]

Nah, it's all about Jason Mallister in the books.

The Ghost of High Heart predicted this in Storm of Swords.

“I dreamt I saw a shadow with a burning heart butchering a golden stag. I dreamt of a man without a face, waiting on a bridge that swayed and swung. On his shoulder perched a drowned crow with seaweed hanging from his wings. I dreamt of a roaring river and a woman that was a fish. Dead she drifted, with red tears on her cheeks. All this I dreamt, and more.”

I mean, that seems pretty clear to me. Euron hired a faceless man.

 

[bitbydeath]

Let's fucking do this.

Edit:
Wall comes down
Dragons in Westeros
Dragon Bran
Euron blows horn

Varys Unleashed