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Upscalers, CRTs, PVMs & RGB: Retro gaming done right!
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I'm not sure how much truth there is to that when most people back then still seemed to use RF, even though the consoles themselves were capable of everything up to RGB, and there were many arcade ports coming from RGB screens.
I've seen a few effects that do showcase your point, but I haven't seen to many instances and to my eye (and so many others) that clean look of RGB is superb.
Dot pitch is fine enough that the scanlines that are there aren't really visible without sitting like < 3' from the set.. heh.
TV does 480p natively, and effectively compressed 540p for 1080i output.
Image is small and I didn't notice those were NES controllers in their hands. Also I was tongue in cheek with the "GTFO" comment.
Shadow Hog
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I just hope he's not judging the entire unit based only on how it handles NES composite.
I think you're missing the point entirely. He's acting like the XRGB isn't that great when he's not even using an RGB input, that's kinda the whole point of the unit. it's surprising that someone like john carmack doesn't seem to grasp the difference between rgb and composite signals
IrishNinja
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haha, i'm okay with continuing to not give a fuck what Carmack says about anything. all i hear around here is how i should care cause he's a genius! but i really don't.
there is, but it's largely worthless until people put in the specific settings for each system. what to know for now:
although for composite NES, i go with meister mode, per bocodragon's suggestion.
encephalon
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I bought a SFC RGB cord a while back of ebay. It didn't work and didn't sound right going into my XRGB3 unit ... I'm a little worried that the RGB on my unit doesn't work, though (I've been using s-video).
Bar81
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It doesn't sound like it's the official Nintendo cable so it's likely a problem with the cable.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Well if he ever plugged a SCART cable into his XRGB there's a good chance he's fried the RGB port.
Thank you!
encephalon
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It's the only thing I ever plugged into it and it was from Japan. If a Japanese seller was selling PAL SCART cables, well, I don't really know what to say. I think I counted the pins though.
Ban Puncher
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Carmack is right though, the XRGB-mini Framemeister isn't some magical box. I tried playing Rage through mine but it still couldn't make that game fun.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Yeah, that was just the only thing that comes to mind that would outright cause a hardware failure.
All I can do is point you toward the wiki on the off chance you don't already have it bookmarked.
http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/Main_Page
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Burn!
IrishNinja
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really trying not to tweet this at him now
encephalon
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I'm probably going to test it soon with the Saturn RGB cable that was posted recently (if I go ahead and purchase it in Nov).
My Saturn seems to work best with my unit. My Nintendo consoles ... have had issues with the S-Video connection turning black and white over time (or in the case of the SFC, the color on one side is usually more vibrant than the other). Just really bizarre. If I could buy a reliable RGB cable that wasn't around 70~100 for something that might not work, I would do it.
My Saturn seems to work best with my unit. My Nintendo consoles ... have had issues with the S-Video connection turning black and white over time (or in the case of the SFC, the color on one side is usually more vibrant than the other). Just really bizarre. If I could buy a reliable RGB cable that wasn't around 70~100 for something that might not work, I would do it.
IrishNinja
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...i should probably put a link to retro_console_accessories in the OP if i haven't, high quality cables for a good price (when they're in stock - currently are!)
*edit: my current PS2 component cable isn't the best, i think - should i go with her RGB sync-on-luma cable? sounds like it might be better quality, i'm assuming i should be able to plug it right into the back of the unit (older/phat PS2 model)
*double edit shit now im reading its just cause im running a cheap 3rd party component and not the official one, with AV forums saying that would be better than RGB SCART overall
*edit: my current PS2 component cable isn't the best, i think - should i go with her RGB sync-on-luma cable? sounds like it might be better quality, i'm assuming i should be able to plug it right into the back of the unit (older/phat PS2 model)
*double edit shit now im reading its just cause im running a cheap 3rd party component and not the official one, with AV forums saying that would be better than RGB SCART overall
That would saved me a few dozen dollars and headaches >_>
Edit: I just purchased that SCART to XRGB Mini 8 pin. I hope it's the right one this time. Thanks!
encephalon
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"For US SNES" means that it will work on my SFC right?
do the SNES cables work with N64 and GC?
IrishNinja
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sorry man! totally added her stuff to the Q&A section now, my bad
that i'm not sure, i think so but they might be wired differently...i don't know that i've seen her sell SFC ones offhand? its worth asking her, or looking at her mini-FAQ (go to the SNES cables, click "ask a question" and check the section for "details on this item" i think)
yes, that's what i did (bought 2 of her SNES ones), works great! assuming your 64 is RGB modded of course
RGB SNES cable works with GC.
I bought my cable from her and it works on my SFC.
encephalon
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Ok thanks.
Ban Puncher
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IrishNinja
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...yeah, this component cable's really not cutting it. tempted to get her RGB one for PS2 but im still reading that an official one would give a better picture, can anyone confirm this? if so: where do i find an official Sony PS2 component cable, all im seeing on ebay are knockoffs (though i'm guessing the official PS3 one would suffice?)
No problem. Thanks!
Speaking of OP, I only see screens of 2D games.
I posted 3 screenshots of Vagrant Story earlier. It's through S-Video but it looks great nevertheless. So feel free to add them to the OP for some variety.
I will update them when I get the SCART to XRGB Mini 8 pin cable.
sixteen-bit
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The Composite cables? Sure.
But only PAL Gamecubes output RGB from the regular AV port and only NTSC Gamecube output S-Video from the regular AV port.
I'm posting this from the Saturn appreciation topic since it's relevant here. The scart cable works with NTSC Saturn consoles, and doesn't require a separate audio cable. (when used with the converter below) The converter also works with the Sega Genesis/32x and Super Nintendo.
Game Sack Episode on the 32X. All the game footage in this episode was recorded using the CVID converter with RGB scart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjBtyb_E060
Here is a screen capture of 3 dirty dwarves using a scart to hdmi converter. (Source: Game Sack)
Saturn Scart cable (This cable works with the converter and ntsc consoles)
http://www.segastyle.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=81
CVID BG-460 HDMI/SCART PAL System to NTSC HDMI Digital Audio Video Converter
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00988GMLG/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Video review by Adam Koralik (Recommend also reading video comments)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS55pmLIEjA
I would like to thank NeoGAF member RedFalcon for coming up with this solution.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=59809397&postcount=2660
Game Sack Episode on the 32X. All the game footage in this episode was recorded using the CVID converter with RGB scart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjBtyb_E060
I've only verified compatibility between with this specific scart cable and the CVID converter sold on Amazon. If you have questions I would email the site selling the scart cable. Maybe they can provide you further information regarding compatibility with the Framemeister.
Well, I ordered one already, so we'll find out.
Does the conversion to HDMI introduce input lag?
No. This was asked in the comments section from Adam Koralik's video review. You should be aware most large screen lcd and plasma sets sold today have input lag.
http://www.displaylag.com/
Shadow Hog
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I just ordered that sync-on-luma cable from her, I'll give you guys feedback on it as soon as it get it.
On a related note I recently got a SNES cable from her that had the right audio channel and the +5V lines swapped. Remember folks, when you buy a handmade cable it's not a bad idea to test it manually with a multimeter first. Errors can happen. Especially now that she also makes JP21 cables, I'm always going to test them manually from now on, to make sure she didn't send me a JP21 version by accident.
You probably don't have a raw sync cable. Model 2 Genesis tend to have an infamously awful composite output. so It's absolutely essential to have a cable that gets the sync from the dedicated sync pin, or else you WILL get jailbars.
I have a Model 2 with a raw sync cable from retro_console_accessories and it looks superb.
Are you running the scart cable driectly through through the genesis 2 or via 32x on the genesis 2? AFAIK, some of the genesis 2 has a worse video encoder. Read about it here.
http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showth...-good-Genesis-1s-and-Genesis-2s-from-bad-ones
If you use a raw sync RGB cable then most of the info on that page is irrelevant, the picture will look great regardless of which video encoder is inside your Genesis.
Framemeister is a bit out of my price range atm. What kind of result would I get if I connect my component-modded snes to a GBS 8200 and then to my TV?
My crazy psyclone PS2 comp cable work on the PS3. I don't see why the reverse wouldn't work. It's the same connector.
holy shit
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