PumpkinSpice
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@Chacranajxy Why does your PS2 still have the plastic film on it?
Shots look nice but now I'm just bothered.
Shots look nice but now I'm just bothered.
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Upscalers, CRTs, PVMs & RGB: Retro gaming done right!
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Krikzz has been around for a lot longer, so it's probably down to having more experience. Game-Tech.us didn't think there would be enough demand for their Hi-Def NES to go beyond their first production batch! That's just bizarre when you spend more than a year designing and producing the kit. As an aside, I'm interested to see how retrousb handles the launch of their AVS console.
Shin Johnpv
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Yeah I think Kevtris thought it was going to take them a few weeks to sell out of the first 200. Jason figured it would sell out in a few hours. I guess it must be really hard to gauge interest on this kind of things, I really don't know.
Though this rolling Pre-order that some of them are doing makes more sense (like Gametech for the HiDefNes and the GWSCART, though I need to get a pre-order of that in when I actually have some money).
You win this round ps2! I bought a config DVD and figured I would just use it via RGB for my PVM. Nope, super green screen. It looks like there are some region code options but I think it will be done via S-Video it is for now.
In other news, my ps2 (fatty) is struggling it appears. Disc tray slowly opens and in general it's quite dirty. Add cleaning it off to my list of things to do.
In other news, my ps2 (fatty) is struggling it appears. Disc tray slowly opens and in general it's quite dirty. Add cleaning it off to my list of things to do.
Make sure you set your PS2 to output RGB in the option menu.
Yep, I did. I think it's a "feature" at least based on some searching around the web. It's really more of a lack of research on my part than the ps2 not doing what I want. I only tried the DVD if games are the same (which I don't suspect) then that's a different issue. We'll see tonight I guess!
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
When I take some new 480i shots, should I just turn on passthrough, then?
It'll sound dumb, but I've been meaning to do that for years, once I had the PS2 slims in a more permanent set up. Obviously, this hasn't happened yet. I'm trying to get my old school setup put together later this year, so maybe then...!
Yep, that is what I found
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Yeah, it is. There was a comparison I saw a while back that looked at the video output of the various models, and they were all pretty similar. PSOne offered a brighter picture than some of the older models, and that's about it. Speaking of which, I should take my new PSOne out of the box now. I always regretted selling that thing way back.
sixteen-bit
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one of the most aesthetically appealing consoles of all time
Try it first. See if you can notice any combing during fast camera turning and/or an increase in resolved detail. You shouldn't see a difference in chrominance though. For your own viewing pleasure, it's worth a shot to see if your TV handles it better... That is litterely the whole reason the pass through function exists on the unit.
Edit: BTW, my plasma still has the plastic film around the bezzel. I just haven't seen the need to take it off and I don't like the idea of getting smooth plastic all scratched up. lol
Or buy a monitor which syncs on green.
Retro RGB says they are all more or less the same.
DarkConfidant
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In my experience, there's no difference in game performance or picture.
CD Playback, though........no difference I noticed.
I only really need it as my SOTN machine tbh lol
Problem is my old console was NTSC. I don't really want to go through the hassle of getting an NTSC PSone when PAL ones are as cheap as £10 on ebay....luckily I discovered PSone mod chips which enable region free are available for as cheap as £3 each!
Problem is my old console was NTSC. I don't really want to go through the hassle of getting an NTSC PSone when PAL ones are as cheap as £10 on ebay....luckily I discovered PSone mod chips which enable region free are available for as cheap as £3 each!
Shin Johnpv
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I could have sworn DVD output also worked under component and S-Video. Maybe I'm remembering wrong.
PumpkinSpice
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Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
I still don't, and probably never will, understand the point of playing PAL versions of games in this day and age.
Yes it does. I think everything except RGB works fine.
there's a reason my entire collection is 60hz/japanese! Gamecube is fine in PAL though.
edit: just bought this. £17 for a boxed PSone with controller, RGB scart cable and games:
I think that's fair. I also ordered a modchip from eurasia which came to £6 with shipping. 8 wire installation but seems easy enough
With Playstations consoles, you have no choice but to import games from US / Japan, as the discs dictate the format in which they should be played. Unlike SEGA consoles, which dictates how the game should be played, so Europeans can still buy Euro games and play them at 60Hz with the proper hardware.
Traces and pins are tiny but it's still manageable.
theSlacker
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The thing about the OSSC that makes me the most happy is it shows that people are working on, and will continue to work on that kind of thing. It makes me more comfortable with our eventual CRTless future when all the BVM/PVMs and what not are gone/way too expensive.
yep, nothing I haven't dealt with before.
I've become really confident with soldering. I mean, damn - it's such a useful skill to have. I was able to build a starfox 2 repro recently with absolute ease. And that's supposed to be tricky! I've also replaced an SPC chip too, which was a success and gained me £40 after selling the unit as a 60hz modded console.
Works fine on my Mini with RGB mod, just need to change one setting
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
I bought a Super Famicom a couple days ago. Won't be here for probably another week or so, but I'll be taking a lot of shots of that once I do.
Which reminds me that I'll need to buy another expensive-ass cable from retro_console_accessories.
The things I do for love.
why
they're £12 here in the UK. Just order from https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/ or get someone in the UK to ship one over for you
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
I'm unreasonably concerned about getting a noisy signal, particularly for the audio. My speakers will make it clear when there's something amiss.
I've had no issues whatsoever with retro_console_accessories cables with the coax upgrades for the PS1 or the Saturn, so at least I know that shit works.
Please. Their cables are no better than Chinese eBay stuff. To get the coax quality stuff you need to fork £50 for their Megadrive cable.
really? I've had no issues.
what would you reccomend then? Bearing in mind I'm in the UK.
Shin Johnpv
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Yeah going to completely disagree with this here. That's not even remotely true (in regards to it being no better than chinese ebay stuff). Yeah their coax quality stuff is expensive but its the same price range as the Ebay seller everyone loves. Plus 90+% of the people out there don't actually need coax level stuff.
Their £12 cables are of exactly the same build quality than a $6 from China is all I'm saying. When you want quality cables, you need to pay a premium, regardless of where you are getting them.
My DVDO vp20 should arrive today. I'm giddy and nervous at the same time to see if it has a deinterlacing card installed or not (the seller was not sure and couldn't be bothered to hook it up to check the menu options). If it doesn't I'm sure it's still a great purchase for a budget conscious retro enthusiast like myself (is that an oxymoron?). I purchased it more or less to tide me over until my number comes up to order an OSSC. Once my SCART and breakout cables come tomorrow I'll have everything I need to get my SNES, Genesis and PCE up and running in glorious 240p RGB. I'll try and post some screens once I get everything sorted out.
OSCC seems pretty nice. I signed up for the waiting list although I'm fine if they don't get to me until the holidays or early 2017. I'm in no urgent need for it.
I was looking through the N64 game with best graphics thread and I had a post from June in there which no one answered. It's about the PS1's output and bit depth. This needs some context so I'll post the discussion from this thread that led to my post in the N64 thread, starting off with televator's post which kicked off the discussion here. Anyone have any insight into this?
(My unanswered post in the N64 thread asking for clarification from krejlooc)
I've read this a few times in your past posts, but I can't find anything anywhere that states the PS1 framebuffer outputs a 8bpp image. All the documentation and online discussions I've come across state that the hardware strictly has 24bit (mainly FMV and stills) and 15 bit color modes (in-game graphics).
http://psx.rules.org/gpu.txt
Furthermore, a 8bpp image by itself would not lead to massive full-screen dithering by itself... and this is just my observation, but common dithering techniques on a 8-bit image itself is subtle enough not to be as blatant as what's happening in PS1 screengrabs. Something else in the hardware would be applying that ugly dithering separately. I took one of your "8bpp" GT pics and changed it to GIF or PNG-8 (256 color limit) and hundreds, if not thousands, of colors are dropped on close-up inspection. How then can that be if the image output by the framebuffer is supposed to already be 8 bits/256 colors? Unless I'm missing something obvious, that doesn't make any sense. From what I've seen and read others say, the GPU outputs a 24-bit image that is then reduced to 15 bits in the framebuffer and at some point dithering is OPTIONALLY applied to mitigate the possibly resulting color banding (all depending on the game developer).
If this is completely wrong, please let me know. Just curious and trying to make sense of it.
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I was looking through the N64 game with best graphics thread and I had a post from June in there which no one answered. It's about the PS1's output and bit depth. This needs some context so I'll post the discussion from this thread that led to my post in the N64 thread, starting off with televator's post which kicked off the discussion here. Anyone have any insight into this?
Pardon me. Just reposting this quote in here more for documenting purposes:
PSX games actually look incorrect if they are too crisp. You can output a crisp image from the console, but the games themselves were made with NTSC colorbleed in mind. This is because, often, for speed, games would downsample from 18/16 bpp to an 8bpp framebuffer that would introduce really nasty fullscreen dither.
When you view many PSX games with crisp output, like you get if you use the SVideo cable, you get stuff like this:
Now, that would all look ok if there was a 1 pixel blur applied to the screen, or if there were scanlines, or if there is NTSC/PAL colorbleed going on to mask the dither, but straight, crisp output winds up looking wrong otherwise.
Of course, if anyone wants to discuss the contents of this post, I'd be more than happy to engage.Heck, I encourage you. Let's talk bit depth RGB GAF.
(My unanswered post in the N64 thread asking for clarification from krejlooc)
I've read this a few times in your past posts, but I can't find anything anywhere that states the PS1 framebuffer outputs a 8bpp image. All the documentation and online discussions I've come across state that the hardware strictly has 24bit (mainly FMV and stills) and 15 bit color modes (in-game graphics).
http://psx.rules.org/gpu.txt
Furthermore, a 8bpp image by itself would not lead to massive full-screen dithering by itself... and this is just my observation, but common dithering techniques on a 8-bit image itself is subtle enough not to be as blatant as what's happening in PS1 screengrabs. Something else in the hardware would be applying that ugly dithering separately. I took one of your "8bpp" GT pics and changed it to GIF or PNG-8 (256 color limit) and hundreds, if not thousands, of colors are dropped on close-up inspection. How then can that be if the image output by the framebuffer is supposed to already be 8 bits/256 colors? Unless I'm missing something obvious, that doesn't make any sense. From what I've seen and read others say, the GPU outputs a 24-bit image that is then reduced to 15 bits in the framebuffer and at some point dithering is OPTIONALLY applied to mitigate the possibly resulting color banding (all depending on the game developer).
If this is completely wrong, please let me know. Just curious and trying to make sense of it.
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sir_kevith
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That's where I ordered my SNES cable years back. It's noisy and the L/R channels are reversed...
IrishNinja
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guys i really can't find the model # on my trinotron
i looked up the #'s in that pic and got all kindsa stuff
what should i dooooo
You're looking at the wrong place lol
There should be another sticker at the center of the back bulge
Get sober, then check!
IrishNinja
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i figured! gonna try there later then, cheers
man this thing needs its own zip code
let's not get crazy now
man this thing needs its own zip code
let's not get crazy now
PumpkinSpice
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IrishNinja
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i can be perfectly incompetent with old tech sober, thank ye
wait so you're saying i shouldn't open this thing and poke around with a fork, then
wait so you're saying i shouldn't open this thing and poke around with a fork, then
IrishNinja
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maaaaaaaaan i remember years back not even knowing that was a thing, then reading a mod on racketboy got zapped clear across the room & had his nethers a bit burned because of a residual charge left in an unplugged monitor...yikes
dude was lucky he didn't have any major injuries, but yeah, damn
dude was lucky he didn't have any major injuries, but yeah, damn
That was the number one thing I remember from my time working at my Dad's friend's TV repair shop as a young lass. I was instructed to keep far away due to the possibility of arcing, lol.
nogoodnamesleft
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er what? where did you find this info?
Ive bought chinese cables and also from retrogamingcables.uk and the difference is night and day.
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