Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Better than just running the DC straight to the TV?
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Upscalers, CRTs, PVMs & RGB: Retro gaming done right!
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Better than just running the DC straight to the TV?
Really helpful information, thanks to all
It's a PVM 1954Q. I'm looking at the manual, it has an EXT Sync selector which can be turned off, and it says "Keep this button in the off position to operate the monitor on the sync signal from the displayed video signal". It sounds like it should be ok without a stripper?
You mentioned you use the retro_console_accessories cable. What BNC adapter do you use with it? Just wondering if the 'sync on luma' is compatible with the adapters from retrogamingcables.
It's a PVM 1954Q. I'm looking at the manual, it has an EXT Sync selector which can be turned off, and it says "Keep this button in the off position to operate the monitor on the sync signal from the displayed video signal". It sounds like it should be ok without a stripper?
You mentioned you use the retro_console_accessories cable. What BNC adapter do you use with it? Just wondering if the 'sync on luma' is compatible with the adapters from retrogamingcables.
baphomet
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Absolutely.
Some PVMs require pure sync. For instance, my 2950Q will not sync without a pure sync signal. It does not like composite sync. My 2030 however deals with composite sync fine.
Also I heard that the xrgb produce a better picture if given a pure sync. I don't understand why this would be.
Also an lm1881 (sync stripper) also boosts the signal along with stripping the sync. This is very important for some consoles which do not output a very strong sync (like the Genesis2/32x).
So that's why they make those cables like that.
But yes I agree not having the +5V can be a problem. I added a power supply to my scart switch and mounted the sync stripper inside of it to make sure that it always got +5V.
GayForMaster
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The screen black-outs during a resolution change and shaking is a really big issue, I'm surprised barely any people here complained about it. Is there no way to fix this problem?
Eh, the slow resolution change is kind of annoying but it isn't that big of a deal outside of a handful of games that actively switch between resolutions like Chrono Cross. There is nothing that can fix it as of now...
Shaking though? I can't say I've experienced any outside of when testing a few composite signals.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Slight screen shaking is common for some processing modes when the source is interlaced. I haven't seen it otherwise, and on the games that I have seen it, it's usually pretty minor, as if there's just a 1-line shift back and forth on every frame.
The Framemeister is just bad at handling resolution changes. That's one reason why I went with an XRGB-3 instead. The drop-out just isn't as severe on VGA. It's not something that I think is a major drawback on the vast majority of games, but it would make a few of my games unplayable.
The Framemeister is just bad at handling resolution changes. That's one reason why I went with an XRGB-3 instead. The drop-out just isn't as severe on VGA. It's not something that I think is a major drawback on the vast majority of games, but it would make a few of my games unplayable.
so, anyone here running a Wii with a Wii2HDMI + Framemeister combo? i just got a Wii2HDMI adapter from neoya (the ones that don't upscale and just convert the signal) and i'd like to know some settings for it since the settings i had already don't work well.
plus, how do people deal with the audio with this setup? just run extra wires from the adapter?
plus, how do people deal with the audio with this setup? just run extra wires from the adapter?
Bar81
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Are there Scart cables for the XBone and PS4?
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
No, and you wouldn't want any even if they did exist.
Bar81
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So, Scart's dead as well. Component and HDMI are the only non-legacy standards for consoles now.
I wouldn't be surprised if they still shipped with composite tbh
sixteen-bit
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X1 and PS4 don't output component either
baphomet
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Wii U doesn't either right?
Bar81
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So it's HDMI or nothing?
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Well... composite still works. :-/
baphomet
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Actually, it's HDMI only. That's the only video output on them.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
sixteen-bit
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You can use your old Wii cables on WiiU and it supports those legacy signals. It does not support 240p for VC games like Wii does though.
GayForMaster
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Chrono Trigger shakes like crazy, practically makes the game unplayable. Starting to feel buyers remorse because of this.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
The resolution issues were enough to stop me from buying the Mini, even though I really, really wanted one.
IrishNinja
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im gonna go boot up CT later tonight because you're sounding crazy, i don't recall shakes or anything like that. i was just playing SH1 and saw a short drop when loading the map but it's pretty far from a big deal, to each their own but man that's a weird dealbreaker right there.
IrishNinja
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to follow up: ya'll are on that bullshit.
played a bit of Chrono Trigger, and while the battery's dead (;_ there's zero res change or shaking. Gay is either using a bad cable or playing the PSX version, the latter of which i feel is a bannable offense.
played a bit of Chrono Trigger, and while the battery's dead (;_
there's zero res change or shaking. Gay is either using a bad cable or playing the PSX version, the latter of which i feel is a bannable offense.BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
to follow up: ya'll are on that bullshit.
played a bit of Chrono Trigger, and while the battery's dead (;_
Co-signed. On all points.
Chrono Cross is literally the only game I've encountered that has that issue. So incredibly few games switch resolution mid game.
IrishNinja
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well, do you have the official 1st party component or which one exactly? cause having used a few, i saw widely different results on my plasma before settling on RGB.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Saturn Bomberman 10-player mode is the best reason to have a Saturn hooked up, and it would have this issue. Virtua Fighter 2 and Sonic 2 VS do as well, although in all fairness there's not many instances where I'd bust them out. But then even random obscure shit I'm looking to pick up for fighting game events like Elan Doree would apparently even have this problem.
It's common enough to be an important consideration if you don't have a convenient alternate setup and need one processor to be able to handle everything.
If you're using good cables and the game you're playing has a progressive scan option, just turning that on should be enough. IMO, it isn't worth spending money on extra equipment to handle 480p games.
If most of your library is 240p/480i and you also want something for older systems, then it's a different case.
Well, you already have component... unless you meant composite whch is totally different. Stick with component.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
When you consider that lightgun games are already out the window too... I think it's fair to give up <0.5% of gaming's history for a nice setup... and if that bothers you, yeah, get an alternative setup to go with it. (and keep in mind, Chrono Cross will be fine to play on your PS3)
I'm seeking a PVM now, just so I have those kinds of options.
Very few PS2 games are 480p.. You can really consider it a more or less 480i system.
So his TV's internal scaler probably does a sluggish job of de-interlacing the 480i image.
But yeah I'd still agree anyway: I'm not sure it's worth spending $400 for an upscaler just for 480i material anyway. It's not going to be night and day better. I'll bet you the main thing there is that PS2 games just don't look as good as we thought they looked back on SDTVs.
Getting a better cable might help though, as Irish says, if the issue is "muddiness" in the blacks.
Yes, an XRGB mini would clean it up, but you really buy that for the 240p consoles, and he said he didn't want to spend money anyway....
GayForMaster
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to follow up: ya'll are on that bullshit.
played a bit of Chrono Trigger, and while the battery's dead (;_
Calm down dude, seriously. I'm using SNES scart cables from retro accessories. Instead of calling us on our bullshit why don't you tell us any special settings you're using, anything to help? Seriously, I get the shakes and it's annoying as fuck. I have no idea how to fix it!
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Should be plug and play, no setting required. I have that very cable (the SCART version, and i think I got the one with some sort of good sync on it).
So try another SNES. Then if you still get shakes... contact retro accessories...
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
People can't give you advice if they don't know exactly what you're using, though. Cables and adapters vary wildly.
That being said, there is some good general usage knowledge here:
http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/XRGB_Wiki
IrishNinja
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you don't understand. people playing the PSX version of Chrono Trigger is right up there with apartheid.
really though, any XRGB settings i used were just to sharpen the picture, if you're not getting shakes on other systems i'm really assuming it's your cable, man. retro does good work but that doesn't sound right, are your pins in any way bent or misaligned? i don't recall there being more than 1 type of SNES RGB cable that she made; matter of fact i wanna say it works fine on the N64 too.
is CT the only game giving you this effect?
Ban Puncher
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I plugged two different SNES consoles into my Framemeister and fired up Chrono Trigger. No shaking on either.
I had another SNES that was exhibiting strange video problems (missing graphics, sync issues etc) with games a while back but I used it for parts so can't test that. Try another machine if possible.
I had another SNES that was exhibiting strange video problems (missing graphics, sync issues etc) with games a while back but I used it for parts so can't test that. Try another machine if possible.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
That's offensive!
Apartheid is not nearly as bad as PS2 CT!
I like some of the FMVs and the music in the Omake mode, tho
I remember at one time she sold two... one was just a standard SCART cable and one was with a "Sync Boost" or something, which she said helped on certain PVMs and maybe the Framemeister itself. I got that one to err on the side of caution. I may have coached you to buy that one last year too... don't remember.
GayForMaster
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Just to be clear, I might have failed to mention that the game shakes during npc chat sequences only. Did you try that irishninja? My cable works fine with every other game as I've said earlier, although FF2 does a very brief millisecond black out when transitioning from town to world map, and DKC2 jerks at the world map sometimes. Haven't had a problem with 64 except with KI and Pokemon, with their blackouts but I read that's only natural cause the framemeister isn't great at transitioning between different resolutions.
IrishNinja
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^lookin' sharp!
...huh. i only dicked around in the millennial fair myself; can you give a specific NPC chat sequence you're getting this in? Maybe i can try to recreate that, at least the early ones, again since my stupid battery apparently died.
gonna play SimCity inna meantime, every few years i try (and fail) at a megalopolis and i gotta pull it off one day.
...huh. i only dicked around in the millennial fair myself; can you give a specific NPC chat sequence you're getting this in? Maybe i can try to recreate that, at least the early ones, again since my stupid battery apparently died.
gonna play SimCity inna meantime, every few years i try (and fail) at a megalopolis and i gotta pull it off one day.
GayForMaster
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I've been talking to literally everyone (mainly millennial fair).
Another thing to note, on S-Video the shaking did not happen... maybe my SCART cable is bad.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Well good... at least it's not your SNES or, worse, your CT cart!
Bar81
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Does the SFJ somehow look better via RGB than a regular SFC?
Bar81
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These guys make quality cables - retrogamingcables.co.uk I haven't gotten SFC cables form them (I purchased Nintendo originals) but I have been very impressed by their Neo and MD pack-a-punched cables (no longer available it seems).
Ban Puncher
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You're using an XRGB Framemeister, right? Is the firmware up to date? And are you using a SCART cable or a JPN 21 Pin cable?
D.Lo
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Yes, far better. I moved from an original/early SFC to this, it's night and day. The 1chip SNES is better too, but still not as good. Video quality from RGB is something like:
Original SNES 5/10
1chip SNES (later models of the original design) 7.5/10
SNES Mini/SFC Jr RGB Modded 10/10
The 1chip can be modded to have almost as good video as the Jr as well apparently, by using an external RGB amplifier.
Yeah i really want a SFJ but they are a stupid priced, the SNES Mini is better priced but not a massive amount. Where did you get yours from?
Bar81
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Interesting, thanks.
D.Lo
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Ebay, paid stupid price
Watch out and you can get one for $100ish delivered, mine was about that in the box with a controller.Worth every penny though. It's truly amazing. It has a 'GBA/DS' feel to it somehow. Yoshi's Island looks like pixel heaven. Super Metroid has never looked so crisp, colourful and moody.
Ebay, paid stupid price
Worth every penny though. It's truly amazing. It has a 'GBA/DS' feel to it somehow. Yoshi's Island looks like pixel heaven. Super Metroid has never looked so crisp, colourful and moody.
Im in the UK, so no chance of me getting one for under $100 delivered
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