Friend of Sonic
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Why cut the wire to the LED, do go on.
Ive got a couple of Hama switches that are practically brand new I need to try to pop off because I was stupid and didn't buy Banbridge. Moar port power
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Upscalers, CRTs, PVMs & RGB: Retro gaming done right!
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Ive got a couple of Hama switches that are practically brand new I need to try to pop off because I was stupid and didn't buy Banbridge. Moar port power
theSlacker
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Because the non automatic bandridge switch, the one that's being linked, isn't powered so it is pulling power from from what you have plugged in for the LED. That is the reason I believe. Don't know how much a difference it makes since I don't have 2 of the switches, even if I'm going to need another one soon.
Friend of Sonic
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I'm daisy chaining three of these suckers. I should probably cut that wire. Is it easy to figure out which wire needs to be cut?
theSlacker
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Sorry, my knowledge on that is all second hand. Do you notice any difference in picture between going though your switches and just plugging in directly? How about any change if you turn on a bunch of the stuff plugged into your switches at the same time? If not then why mess around?
I'm sure someone else will be able to provide first hand info though on the benefits of doing such.
DracoBlade
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Just gonna surmise no one has the Component to HDMI converter in question of my previous post :/
SO a more general question: On the whole how do you guys feel about Component to HDMI converters for sixth generation consoles? Are thy quality? Render more vibrant upscaled colors? Enhanced sharpness/resolution or blurry? Really interested in purchasing one?
Any input would be appreciated
SO a more general question: On the whole how do you guys feel about Component to HDMI converters for sixth generation consoles? Are thy quality? Render more vibrant upscaled colors? Enhanced sharpness/resolution or blurry? Really interested in purchasing one?
Any input would be appreciated
Just gonna surmise no one has the Component to HDMI converter in question of my previous post :/
SO a more general question: On the whole how do you guys feel about Component to HDMI converters for sixth generation consoles? Are thy quality? Render more vibrant upscaled colors? Enhanced sharpness/resolution or blurry? Really interested in purchasing one?
Any input would be appreciated
I don't see any point unless you don't have component inputs or your TV has a particularly bad scaler.
Yes, this is why. On shmups forum people mentioned cutting the trace to the LED helped with different issues.
DracoBlade
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I was under the impression using a Component to HD converter would produce better colors, sharper image in general, like say a SCART to HD converter. Specifically interested in upscaling 480p games from my xbox to 1080p (non component HD possible titles like Capcom vs SNK2 for example) is this not the case? Am I under the wrong impression? let me know
I've been trying to find conclusive captured footage or images comparing/reviewing native component to component converted to hdmi but haven't had much luck.I was under the impression using a Component to HD converter would produce better colors, sharper image in general, like say a SCART to HD converter. Specifically interested in upscaling 480p games from my xbox to 1080p (non component HD possible titles like Capcom vs SNK2 for example) is this not the case? Am I under the wrong impression? let me know
Most people with RGB to HDMI converters here have some form of Framemeister, which do a great job but are costly. The one you linked to is less than $50, so I wouldn't expect the performance to be anything close. The scaler built into your TV is likely to do a better job on its own.
I was under the impression using a Component to HD converter would produce better colors, sharper image in general, like say a SCART to HD converter. Specifically interested in upscaling 480p games from my xbox to 1080p (non component HD possible titles like Capcom vs SNK2 for example) is this not the case? Am I under the wrong impression? let me know
You're just replacing your TV's scaler with another one, which is probably not as good (at least at that price). Most HDTVs do a decent job at processing 480p component, problems usually arise when doing 240p/480i (massive lag, etc.)
I can see these being useful for a display that lacks component inputs, but otherwise I don't see the point.
Looks good!
You know it!
Its ok! You guys did what you could!
And only my Saturn RGB cable is JP21 since it's the official cable. All the others are from r_c_a. Although if I come across a Selecty21 I may have to reconsider, lol!
baphomet
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I was under the impression using a Component to HD converter would produce better colors, sharper image in general, like say a SCART to HD converter. Specifically interested in upscaling 480p games from my xbox to 1080p (non component HD possible titles like Capcom vs SNK2 for example) is this not the case? Am I under the wrong impression? let me know
A scart to component converter just passes the signal through. Its not converting or upscaling the image. That's why people use those and not scart to HDMI which is using super low quality components to convert and upscale the image. In most cases your TV will have a much higher quality scaler than a scart to HDMI converter.
Same goes for component to HDMI. I can't really see any case that running a console through one would give you a better picture than 480p directly into your TV.
DracoBlade
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Alright the verdict is in then lol! Thanks for saving me the time, money, and most importantly giving me some much needed education on the topic! Cant thank you guys enough for the input!
Had no clue the scaler did nothing but replace the native scaler of my tv, obviously needed your guys help to clear my misunderstandings!
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So I think I'm going to buy a PVM-14M2U as my first CRT.
Its 99 bucks and I've been corresponding with the guy for a few days and think I'm gonna do it. Its 99$
Its 99 bucks and I've been corresponding with the guy for a few days and think I'm gonna do it. Its 99$
Not sure where you live or how often they pop up, but I wouldn't settle for any less than a 20 inch. I mean, this is going to be your ultimate gaming set up after all.
What he said. You* probably had a 17" CRT as your computer screen back in the day, it was good for being on a desk but not so much from across the room and even when sitting at your desk you sometimes wished it was bigger.
*or your dad? Damn I'm old
For your gaming needs you want something big. For $99 you definitely can have something good.
*or your dad? Damn I'm old
For your gaming needs you want something big. For $99 you definitely can have something good.
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It's gonna be going on a computer desk. 20 would be nice but that's kinda pushing it space wise plus I can buy this one right now.
Friend of Sonic
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I gotta agree here. You're gonna want dat 20". Maybe you can get one later. But I have a 20, and my couch is right up in there. I'm like a foot and a half away. It's glorious. I don't feel like I'd be happy with a 14". But at least you're not buying an 8"...
I picked up a Pro Cable and will update you when it arrives. For the record, I do have both my PVM and SNES hooked up to the same strip, but I don't have an another option for power.
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Lol I actually wanted an 8inch at first. I could see getting a 20inch one down the road. Idk. Who knows.
Friend of Sonic
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Awesome. Definitely let me know. I tried seperating it entirely --my SNES by nature was actually in a different powerstrip, but my PVM and AVR was in the same strip. I plugged the AVR in the bathroom, so all three were seperated. I really don't think it's a ground loop for us. The SNES does have the reputation of exceptionally bad SCART buzzing. Although, the weird thing is I get some SNES level buzz when I'm in the menu of my Everdrive 64. As soon as I boot the game, the buzz is very, very minor and hard to notice.
speedlolita
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The Everdrive thing might be a power issue. That brick you're using is only designed to power a SNES after all.
Friend of Sonic
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Yeah, that's what I had figured. I wasn't too concerned with it. Otherwise my N64 is wonderful
Nice, BTW my other SNES rgb cable has finally shipped from her.=p
Right after we ordered, haha. My order hasnmt shipped yet, so I messaged her about adding the Genesis 2 cable on.
I would've done the same, but the others shipped like 5 minutes after I ordered the Genesis 2 hahaha.
Well after picking up that 8 inch JVC the other week at a yard sale for $1 the itch was a tad hard to scratch and I just bought this the other night on ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/260411233522?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
Basically a rebranded Sony PVM. Also got the RGB cables on the way for my Genesis and SNES, as well as the parts to mod my N64. I'll have to get some Saturn cables later and I might mod my TG-16.
Off of my best guess it looks like this Sony model PVM if you compare buttons and inputs on the back.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SONY-PVM-13...381?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5ae862b02d
http://www.ebay.com/itm/260411233522?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
Basically a rebranded Sony PVM. Also got the RGB cables on the way for my Genesis and SNES, as well as the parts to mod my N64. I'll have to get some Saturn cables later and I might mod my TG-16.
Off of my best guess it looks like this Sony model PVM if you compare buttons and inputs on the back.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SONY-PVM-13...381?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5ae862b02d
U n i o n 0015
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Eh, so I bought one of these Scart-to-HDMI video converters from Amazon, based on a video online and the reviews. I am quote disappointed. While the image quality is good, it's not amazing. Colors look nice, but the big issue is that it sends a stretched 4:3 signal, which means even if I force my TV to 4:3, parts of the image are cut off.
I just want an RGB signal from my Saturn through either component or HDMI. I am considering stepping up to a Framemeister, but I don't play my Saturn all that often and I don't think it'd be worth the $400.
I just want an RGB signal from my Saturn through either component or HDMI. I am considering stepping up to a Framemeister, but I don't play my Saturn all that often and I don't think it'd be worth the $400.
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Soooo... If I buy scart to bnc cables for a genesis I can then plug them into
Component on my LCD tv right? I am thinking I'm gonna wait around for a 20in CRT but the rf cable I'm using now is literally unplayable.. I need a good stopgap solution.
Component on my LCD tv right? I am thinking I'm gonna wait around for a 20in CRT but the rf cable I'm using now is literally unplayable.. I need a good stopgap solution.
sixteen-bit
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No, if you want to plug into LCD TV, I'm assuming the LCD doesn't use BNC inputs. Get an RGB SCART to YUV transcoder instead.
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I thought bnc and component were basically cross compatible and it was just a matter of the little connector on the end.
speedlolita
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I bought this switch off of eBay a long time ago. http://www.tvcables.co.uk/cgi-bin/tvcables/BT945-Quintro+.html
Not sure if it works perfectly as last time I was using it the thing was dropping images with my PS3. Might have just been a connection issue though.
The Bandridge switches look good though, how do people find the manual ones?
Not sure if it works perfectly as last time I was using it the thing was dropping images with my PS3. Might have just been a connection issue though.
The Bandridge switches look good though, how do people find the manual ones?
sixteen-bit
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You thought wrong. BNC is just a type of connector. It has nothing to do with the signal.
I have a manual one set up on my PVM. No complaints. Signal looks great.
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Deleted member 22576
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Aww hell!
I just scoped a yuv converter on amazon for 60$ is that a decent price? Will it introduce any lag?
I just scoped a yuv converter on amazon for 60$ is that a decent price? Will it introduce any lag?
Welcome to the club! (Full disclosure, I'm only a provisional member, still waiting on Solaris Japan to ship my XRGB Mini).
So my new SNES scart cable came in and it works perfectly with my scart to component converter. I finally now have RGB!!! It only works on the Roxio HD Pro as it doesn't work on my HDTV or monitor. These were taken with the Roxio HD Pro and this program is far from the best when it comes to direct feed screens and footage due to it's compression, but until I get a better capture device like the StarTech PEXHDCAP(which does 240p even) this is what I have for now:
Next up is Genesis, Saturn, PS1, and maybe N64 and NES if I get them modded.
Next up is Genesis, Saturn, PS1, and maybe N64 and NES if I get them modded.
Superblatt
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Little bit of fat scanline porn for my rgb brethren tonight...
Megaman 2 in rgb on my 20" Sony BVM 20F1U. Gotta get better at taking pictures, as these are dark, but you can literally see every single pixel.
Looks like you are not using a 1-chip snes, or your pictures are just a little blurry. Have you looked into what model your snes system is? Makes a pretty big difference, as I was personally surprised how poor my snes looked via rgb until I went to a modded snes jr.
Megaman 2 in rgb on my 20" Sony BVM 20F1U. Gotta get better at taking pictures, as these are dark, but you can literally see every single pixel.
Looks like you are not using a 1-chip snes, or your pictures are just a little blurry. Have you looked into what model your snes system is? Makes a pretty big difference, as I was personally surprised how poor my snes looked via rgb until I went to a modded snes jr.
Mine has a UN321 id so I guess that has the 1-chip in it, right?=O
Also Roxio HD Pro is not the best for screens as I taken quite a bit with some blur and compression here and there.
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Yeah, I had known that. I guess I had this misconception that essentially is a component cable with a different connector.
But now I've put it together that RGB is a signal type and component cables carry ypbpr or whatever. Is that more or less correct?
IrishNinja
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gonna look even better over RGB, and what an awesome game to break it in with too!
sixteen-bit
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It's gonna look a trillion times better over RGB. Genesis composite is minced ass.
superNESjoe
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I'd be happy with composite, Genesis is the only system in my collection I still use RF for. Makes playing Sega CD a pain but I just haven't invested anything into Genesis yet.
Well the iconic Trinitron branding at the top left is a dead giveaway.
Sony licensed their Trinitron tubes to a ton of different companies at some point. I remember my last PC CRT being a Dell Trinitron.
thechristoph
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I'm really considering jumping down this rabbit hole after seeing how affordable many of these old monitors are on eBay.
A lot of the monitors seem to have BNC connectors that correspond to Composite cables, and I've found RGB scart to BNC adapters that seem to fit that bill.
But I've seen a few monitors with just a "Line in" port, like so. What would I use to convert from RGB scart to that port?
A lot of the monitors seem to have BNC connectors that correspond to Composite cables, and I've found RGB scart to BNC adapters that seem to fit that bill.
But I've seen a few monitors with just a "Line in" port, like so. What would I use to convert from RGB scart to that port?
No, those are just composite and s-video inputs. Definitely not a desirable model, it completely lacks RGB.
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