So they're going to rip 24 million people from insurance.... in a Presidential election year?
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US House votes to adopt AHCA (Republican health care); bill moves to Senate
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So they're going to rip 24 million people from insurance.... in a Presidential election year?
KillerDark
Member
Well tried calling my house rep and his VM was full of course (Don Bacon). Texted the resist bot to fax it. Hoping this will somehow fail to pass :\
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I read this bill contains an exemption for Congress and their staffs.
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...e-rollbacks-in-new-legislation?rnd=1493866040
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...e-rollbacks-in-new-legislation?rnd=1493866040
The thing people forget about cross state insurance is... how does a Kansas company negotiate with Hospitals in Massachusetts? Answer, they don't. Therefore selling across state lines is something that very few insurance companies will even pursue.
It's just a red herring for both sides. For practical purposes it doesn't really matter.
Yup. And don't think THAT won't be a major talking point come mid-terms.
Psychoward
Banned
47% of voters in the 2016 election who were aged 18-36 voted for Trump.
This isn't something that goes away when the boomers die out, hell most of those comments probably came from people under 30.
LudicrousSpeed
Member
Two things:
1) Republican Senators tend to be way more moderate than your Freedom Caucus types because they represent entire states, whereas the Freedom Caucus types reside over small pieces of each state which may average out to be something like R+30 (meaning that your D/R demographic split is 65/35).
2) Republicans only have 52 votes in the House. Under standard order, the bill has no chance, because it would be subject to a filibuster and they would need 60 votes to defeat that. Instead, they're trying to use a special process called Reconciliation that renders certain budget-related bills non-filibusterable. But even with this, having a 52/48 advantage means that they can afford to lose no more than 3 members, because even having 3 defectors means a 49-51 defeat (ties are broken by the VP, so 50-50 is a GOP victory). So long as they have 3 no votes in the Senate, they can't move forward.
(The latter of that is basically how Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman worked to water down the original PPACA, because they were necessary votes for the 2009 Senate to overcome the 60 vote threshold. By threatening to withhold their vote and keep the bill from being passed, they had extra leverage to have provisions added and stricken.)
Mine too, though I've got fortenberry.
Bacon is a done deal on this one though. I suspect his ass is out in 2018. Omaha has actually had Democratics reps before. We will have a harder time in district 1.... but it's possible after Lincoln flipped the city council.
Psychoward
Banned
Chances are, under this bill, if you're breathing you're probably under a pre-existing condition.
The whole notion that patients with pre-existing conditions don't deserve coverage is asinine in the first place.
KillerDark
Member
Yea unfortunately it won't have any impact, but wanted to do what little I can. Gotta try at least. I hope we start seeing changes here
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Every Don Bacon sign I saw in my neighborhood was accompanied by a Trump one, as well. This dude sucks dick.I will be calling tomorrow for sure. This is shameful.
KillerDark
Member
Yea thats no joke. Can't believe how many people I know (I'm in Omaha) who are for Trump.
fixedpoint
Member
Your health history doesn't matter - insurance companies could (and and may again be able to) cancel policies retroactively after you get sick.
Have you ever: been a woman? Expected a child as a mother or father to be? Had acne? Bunions? Hemorrhoids? Had surgery? Think you may require surgery at some point in the future? Been treated for substance abuse or mental illness? Seen a therapist of any sort at all? Been a police officer or firefighter? Had tonsillitis? Varicose veins?
Or, are you currently experiencing, or have you experienced within the last 12 months, symptoms for which a physician has not been consulted? Congratulations: you have a pre-existing condition.
Everyone has pre-existing conditions, but some people are a good-enough bet according to the insurance industry's morbid calculus.
Agreed, but I think the notion that healthcare is subject to the whims of for-profit insurance companies is even worse.
Widdle Puppy
Banned
Do they really have the votes for this to pass? Do they expect it getting shot down to be as stealthy as it was rolled out?
benicillin
Banned
Do they have enough votes for this to pass the house before going onto the senate? Maybe. They think they might. It's close, could go either way. Tomorrow will be an important day. Either way it's just the beginning, though.
nobody knows, including the gop leadership
they did not have enough votes when they scheduled it, but they think they can whip enough by tomorrow. Don't be at all surprised if they are right
Ziltoidia 9
Member
I really hope this makes people realize that the only way to fix this shit is universal healthcare. The system right now is set up to where 2 groups make profit off you - insurance companies and healthcare provider.
Widdle Puppy
Banned
18 no and 33 undecided. 23 needed to shoot it down. seems like this wont pass? I don't want it to pass cause it will be funny to seem them fail to get anything through the house twice in a row.
Black Mamba
Member
Have you been sexually assaulted? Cuz that's a preexisting condition. Seriously.
Dead Prince
Banned
I see POTUS Twitter was updated he no longer has the Donald Trump Twitter on there. Interesting.
Black Mamba
Member
Fun
At least 24 million people will lose insurance. This we know.
But this will cut insurance for about 75 million people!
Are you the recipient of an organ transplant? Congrats because the GOP is literally voting to kill you tomorrow. Not joking. That will be the result. Numerous organ transplant recipients will die.
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
Fun
FUUUUCCK!
Black Mamba
Member
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/...mes&smtyp=cur&referer=https://t.co/TH3YUwOJwF
Ahca Cuts funding for special ed kids and kids with disabilities.
Awesome
Ahca Cuts funding for special ed kids and kids with disabilities.
Awesome
Ziltoidia 9
Member
Fun
Well isn't this just brilliant, now that healthcare procedures and such costs so much more now then it did in 2010. Its just going to be a worse problem.
the prolife party, eh?
"They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own."
- George Carlin, on Pro-life conservatives
PhoncipleBone
Banned
Thank you for a link to a reputable source on that.
This twitter comment, not actual news, sums up my thoughts.
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/860001126665654272
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/860001126665654272
Lord Frieza
Member
This would actually be the fourth time it failed, and let's hope
EatinOlives
Member
Pretty sure the whole "Hnng it's gonna pass now! We're passing it...Now!! ....NOW! Everyone come with me we're jumping off in 3...2...1... NOW!" song and dance is to get reps to act before they think. Just convince them to have that jolt of adrenaline in which they pass the repeal and "do their jobs" (in the eyes of the GOP). It's all it takes, it's a single vote, just vote Yes and then we're all gonna figure this out.
Come tomorrow I would say more than enough Undecideds are still gonna get cold feet. The hardliners are trying to get them to close their eyes and leap off and hey we'll be with you we'll figure this out together, but enough will open their eyes to see themselves staring down a gun barrel.
Come tomorrow I would say more than enough Undecideds are still gonna get cold feet. The hardliners are trying to get them to close their eyes and leap off and hey we'll be with you we'll figure this out together, but enough will open their eyes to see themselves staring down a gun barrel.
I had a conversation with a Trump supporter about this, the conversation ended with "why should I give a shit about disabled kids?"
This is who these people are, I won't let anyone ever say otherwise. They're all fucking scum.
2Smashed4U
Banned
I don't think I've been this filled with hate since election night. I can't sleep over this shit.
ForsakenLotus
Member
If somehow it gets passed, it's just so they can say they agreed on something and got it to the Senate. They know it won't get the votes in the Senate.
I truest believe that if it passes it's not because that many members agree with the bill but because they got enough "no" voters to vote "yes" just so the party can claim a hollow victory.
I truest believe that if it passes it's not because that many members agree with the bill but because they got enough "no" voters to vote "yes" just so the party can claim a hollow victory.
EatinOlives
Member
I believe this is exactly the driving force behind the push for this at the moment. They want to have SOME semblance of progress on anything, otherwise they're completely deadlocked and unable to get anything done.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
They want the heat off their backs and on the Senate. Then if two bills are passed and they can't be reconciled they have lots of other people to blame.
EatinOlives
Member
That too. The House is the getting the brunt of the heat for now (and with good reason: they're the biggest fucking trash fire of a House that we've ever seen).
Lord Frieza
Member
I just hope the nos and undecideds who are in competitive positions just have balls for once and stick to it. Hell, even the less competitive ones should be looking at Georgia, Kansas and Montana and clenching their butts.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Montana will be an easy R hold if polls are anything to go by.
Monocle
Member
Both sides tho.
Silver lining: some of them will be Democracts who believe in the evil Socialist concept of universal health care.
Lord Frieza
Member
I thought the Montana special election going on was trending pretty decent for the Dem running? I got an e-mail saying the DNC was going to start sending funding to the race.
Has a Republican ever lost their seat due to facts? They're been screwing the common voter for decades, and they're still in power. You really think a few million people going bankrupt from healthcare costs is going to matter? Fox News has programmed these people to blame themselves.
Lord Frieza
Member
We've already been over this
More_Badass
Member
So between asthma, on the spectrum, being a preemie, I'm basically fucked in terms of health insurance under this, huh?
Lord Frieza
Member
It honestly sounds like everyone who isn't the prime example of health probably is
This is what I was thinking. C-sections, special ed kids, etc. Like I don't see who this doesn't screw over other than the ones who will get tax cuts from this getting passed.
This is really quite terrifying to read.
From a personal side, this could also impact my own mother who suffers from secondary progressive multiple sclerosis. Really worried about that.
What enrages me here is that people are so caught up in the notion of repealing "Obamacare" that they don't really seem to give a shit how it's done. Trump said it was bad so we want it gone - no matter what that means. It's just stupid.
They should be working to improve the ACA - try to work on its problems rather than presenting this piece of trash that's taking so many steps back. It's ludicrous.
Having listened to people that want to get rid of the ACA, it seems to always come back to money - they do not feel that they should have to give a cent to anyone else. The idea of subsidizing healthcare for others makes them so angry. In turn, they are quick to vilify those in need and come up with reasons why they don't deserve help. This thought pattern is really disturbing.
From a personal side, this could also impact my own mother who suffers from secondary progressive multiple sclerosis. Really worried about that.
What enrages me here is that people are so caught up in the notion of repealing "Obamacare" that they don't really seem to give a shit how it's done. Trump said it was bad so we want it gone - no matter what that means. It's just stupid.
They should be working to improve the ACA - try to work on its problems rather than presenting this piece of trash that's taking so many steps back. It's ludicrous.
Having listened to people that want to get rid of the ACA, it seems to always come back to money - they do not feel that they should have to give a cent to anyone else. The idea of subsidizing healthcare for others makes them so angry. In turn, they are quick to vilify those in need and come up with reasons why they don't deserve help. This thought pattern is really disturbing.