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[Lord Frieza]

From what can be understood, it seems like Trump's personally threatened holdouts.

I wonder how? No campaigning for them in midterms or something?

 

[BitStyle]

It's all about dealing a blow to Obama, nothing else.

In the end, it comes down to this

 

[JetBlackPanda]

Calm guys, he isn't voting for the bill, he's voting about whether the bill should be brought to vote.

Sorry I was in the middle of my commute and was popping in and out of the thread.

 

[kirblar]

I wasn't paying attention to politics back then, but how DID obama pass ACA back then?

He got it through the house relatively easily because Pelosi is very very very good at her job. The Senate is where things went haywire cause you had 60 people w veto power.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

I wonder how? No campaigning for them in midterms or something?

He threatened to force them to watch the Pee Pee tape, Clockwork Orange style.

 

[Zolo]

I wonder how? No campaigning for them in midterms or something?

Probably threatening to campaign for other Republican candidates in mid-terms?

What's the current vote for? Seems pretty mixed this time.

 

[studyguy]

A bit less than 2 hours now till the vote.

 

[Krakatoa]

Trump must have threatened them to vote yes, or he will go rogue.

 

[Chmpocalypse]

I wonder how? No campaigning for them in midterms or something?

With his shit approval rating, is that really a threat? I'd think many republicans would be secretly relieved if he distanced himself!

 

[JetBlackPanda]

Trump must have threatened them to vote yes, or he will go rogue.

truly the greatest democracy.

 

[Lord Frieza]

Probably threatening to campaign for other Republican candidates in mid-terms?.

Probably. Question is whether, by that point, they are going to want him to campaign for them lol, but that's in the future so who knows.

 

[Neoweee]

Just a reminder: Most bills that go to the floor for a vote, pass. Typically leadership won't make their members vote on unpopular bills that could be used against them unless they're actually going to win.

That assumes that the WH is competent and acting in good faith, but it still probably holds. If they're putting it to vote, they believe they have the numbers.

 

[kottila]

They have a 15min voting break every 20 minutes, even though it takes 1 second to hit the voting button. What a cushy job.

 

[TheStruggler]

Trump must have threatened them to vote yes, or he will go rogue.

well he did say he may shut down the government sooo......

 

[akileese]

Probably threatening to campaign for other Republican candidates in mid-terms?

What's the current vote for? Seems pretty mixed this time.

Approval of the previous day journal if iirc. The house is required to approve the previous day's journal every day.

e: From what I read, the journal approval vote is usually a way for the parties to get all members to their floor to discuss positions on whatever they're voting on that day.

 

[Lord Frieza]

Trump must have threatened them to vote yes, or he will go rogue.

When has he ever not went rogue

 

[TheStruggler]

They have a 15min voting break every 20 minutes, even though it takes 1 second to hit the voting button. What a cushy job.

hey hey hey its hard to hit that button damnit!!

 

[Lord Frieza]

Just a reminder: Most bills that go to the floor for a vote, pass. Typically leadership won't make their members vote on unpopular bills that could be used against them unless they're actually going to win.

That assumes that the WH is competent and acting in good faith, but it still probably holds. If they're putting it to vote, they believe they have the numbers.

Yeah, I think it'll be a surprise at this point if it doesn't actually pass.

But we didn't need the reminder to be honest. This has been said many a time in this thread lol

 

[hydrophilic attack]

I don't think this will pass the Senate

Let the House vote, and let it come back to bite them in 2018

 

[Jeronimo Jones]

It's all about dealing a blow to Obama, nothing else.

So, it's a Friday, is what you're saying

Well, yeah opposing Obama is nothing new, Freezing out major stakeholders and forging ahead anyway was an interesting tactic.

From what can be understood, it seems like Trump's personally threatened holdouts.

But what can he do that's worse than incurring the wrath of those who voted for them, anyway?

 

[studyguy]

Just a reminder: Most bills that go to the floor for a vote, pass. Typically leadership won't make their members vote on unpopular bills that could be used against them unless they're actually going to win.

That assumes that the WH is competent and acting in good faith, but it still probably holds. If they're putting it to vote, they believe they have the numbers.

Right that's the assumption. No one wants to be held to a failed vote which is why the last incarnation of this bill didn't even go to the floor. If this is getting voted on, the assumption is it'll pass or they have made some grievous error in whipping votes.

 

[Lord Frieza]

But what can he do that's worse than incurring the wrath of those who voted for them, anyway?

In the short term, shut down the government, in the long term, oh hey look, a butterfly

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

LMFAO my congressman is talking on the floor now.

 

[Zolo]

But what can he do that's worse than incurring the wrath of those who voted for them, anyway?

Trump still seems popular in the Republican base even if this bill isn't. It's basically a choice of answering this vs having Trump talking to their constituents against them. Not a good scenario for certain house members either way.

 

[RPGCrazied]

Trump must have threatened them to vote yes, or he will go rogue.

"I will nominate Hillary Clinton to the Supreme Court if you don't vote yes."

 

[MoxManiac]

The bullshit spewing from his mouth makes me want to vomit.

 

[Steejee]

It'd be nice if the CBO came out like 5 minutes before the floor vote and scored this as even worse than the first two editions. That way they can be told they knew full well what the impact of what the voted on would be.

I can't see it scoring much better really - maybe "just" 20 million lose insurance, but even less deficit reduction.

I did like the impossibly-unlikely possibility that a few GOPers lied in the whip count and plan to vote against it in the final vote. Losing the actual vote would be a dagger in Ryan's speakership, and there's definitely a few House GOP members who would be all for that.

 

[RustyNails]

It'd be nice if the CBO came out like 5 minutes before the floor vote and scored this as even worse than the first two editions. That way they can be told they knew full well what the impact of what the voted on would be.

I can't see it scoring much better really - maybe "just" 20 million lose insurance, but even less deficit reduction.

CBO would score it before Senate does anything with it though, right?

 

[Hubbl3]

The bullshit spewing from his mouth makes me want to vomit.

Talking about the live stream? If so, I agree.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

Finally some real talk.

 

[Sobriquet]

I wasn't paying attention to politics back then, but how DID obama pass ACA back then?

It took 9 months. House of Representatives held 78 hearings, heard from 181 witnesses, and allowed 121 amendments. Senate held 30+ hearings and accepted more than 200 amendments.

 

[Steejee]

CBO would score it before Senate does anything with it though, right?

Definitely. If for no other reason than it'll take a while before the Senate even looks at this bill.

 

[studyguy]

Looks like it was actually just an hour allocated for debate on the healthcare that will affect millions. Great, thanks.

 

[zou]

I mean I'm pro ACA, but this graph is pretty terrible trying to a) narrow the cause down to that one factor and b) starting right before the decline ends eliminating any historical context.

Or let's look at all non-business filings since 1980. There's never been a sustained downwards trend. I wonder what could have happened in 2010 to change it.

 

[akileese]

CBO would score it before Senate does anything with it though, right?

Didn't the Senate say they had no intention of passing this bill like, yesterday?

 

[BitStyle]

Looks like it was actually just an hour allocated for debate on the healthcare that will affect millions. Great, thanks.

I mean, they clearly want to push it out the door and on to the senate's lap

 

[How About No]

"The old system STUNK"

New Jersey speaking facts

But R's still won't listen

 

[oti]

Looks like it was actually just an hour allocated for debate on the healthcare that will affect millions. Great, thanks.

How did this get back on the floor so soon again anyway?

 

[Lord Frieza]

Didn't the Senate say they had no intention of passing this bill like, yesterday?

...No?

 

[Zolo]

Seems like the part about congress members being exempt is the main point of discussion.

 

[How About No]

hot fucking fire

Seems like the part about congress members being exempt is the main point of discussion.

Good, because that's the most blatantly hypocritical part of all this

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

Im saddened that every last member of congress isn't in that damn room.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

So this is the argument. Either the healthy people pay a little more or the sick ones get completely fucked.

 

[Applesauce]

Hey it's my rep

 

[akileese]

...No?

Sorry. They said it will not go through in it's current form. So...take that for whatever the hell it means.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Any online streams available?
edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-B138rYvo8

 

[How About No]

Any online streams available?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-B138rYvo8

 

[oti]

Any online streams available?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-B138rYvo8

(your avatar is fire)

 

[RPGamer92]

As someone with a pre-existing heart condition, I may consider moving to Norway >_>.

 

[Ourobolus]

"I had a woman from Kentucky whose premiums went up under Obamacare. So I'd like to ensure she pays even more."

I translated it from the original words, but I will never understand how these people say this stuff and don't suddenly get struck by lightning.