Pickles Spill
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You can applaud someone's work and talent without applauding their character.
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US sends Poland extradition request for Roman Polanski
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You can applaud someone's work and talent without applauding their character.
Thatoneguy64
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Because there is a difference between applauding a man's work and applauding a man's entire life. Just because one approves of Roman Polanski as an artist does not mean one approves of Roman Polanski as a human being. People are capable of separating person from art.
I mean, Koichi Sugiyama, composer of Dragon Quest, denies the rape of nanking after all. Just because I enjoy Dragon Quest series doesn't mean I approve of his views. Because there is a separation between art and artist. Approving of the art does not mean approving of the artist and the entirety of their life.
encephalon
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stan423321
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Those agreements usually contain a clause that state cannot be forced to jail and give up their own citizen - they were designed with the reverse situation in mind. Now, there are some various extra agreements, but apparently none apply here, so as long as R. P. stays in France/Poland/Switzerland, he's legally safe unless they make huge changes to international law.
You're comparing denying a famous historical atrocity to raping a kid.
And no, they are not just applauding his art. They are seriously applauding him.
Boom Boom Pow
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he has passport to all 3 countries?!
I lost a lot of respect for a lot of people the first time I read the list that signed that petition.
wow...that petition is seriously fucked up. Lost a lot of respect for someone like Scorsese, and others.
Thatoneguy64
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That petition is different from people applauding him at the Oscars. The latter is supporting an artist's work. The former is supporting Polanski, the man who raped a child.
And of course my comparison isn't entirely on the same level. But they both exist in that quandary of supporting art vs. supporting the creator.
Nope. This is completely false. It would be like saying that most of America thinks Obama is muslim, just because some hardcore conservatives say so. Sugiyama is not an average Japanese guy who holds common views on history. He is a old man who surrounds himself with ultra-conservative friends, and his denial of Japanese war crimes in WW2 is deplorable. There's no defending it. He doesn't just talk about it, he's also actively involved in supporting awful conservative political causes in Japan.
stan423321
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Actually he hasn't got the Swiss passport, but the Swiss found the extradition request last time malformed to such a level they won't process another one, or something. I'm not exactly sure.
Boom Boom Pow
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how did he get a french one then?
He's got dual French/polish citizenship doesn't he?
stan423321
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That's the actual point of the question here, how was he naturalized in France.
adamsappel
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No, you can't. You can consume the culture they create without lauding the person, but rising to your feet and pounding your hands together at the mention of his name is celebrating him. To say nothing of actually casting a vote to bestow the honor. It's reprehensible.
Ninja Scooter
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He was born in France.
Boom Boom Pow
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France has restricted jus soli though. So I'm guessing one of his parents were french citizen, and the other a polish citizen, so he got both?
Ninja Scooter
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yeah I was trying to find some more info but it seems he was born in France but didn't gain citizenship until 1976. Wiki lists both of his parents as Polish though. Not exactly clear.
elrechazado
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So I'm allowed to say "The Pianist is a great movie" but not "Polanski made a great movie"?
They restricted it in 1993. He was born in 1933.
That's not what he's saying at all. They made a point to give him a standing ovation to support him. Just look at the sad petition of a bunch of respected Hollywood directors who support him. They're doing much more than saying he made a good movie.
Sure, he should get convicted for his crimes but prison accomplishes nothing. IDK make him hours upon hours of community services or something.
To be honest I hope--if they ever catch him--they throw like 150 years at him, if for no other reason than to set an example for others if they ever try and pull such a scum ass move.
bodyboarder
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He raped a 13 year old girl, pleaded down to save himself serious jail time, then ran away because he didn't want to face the consequencesof what he did.
Okay, you got it. Prison is useless, let's abolish all prisons and let all criminals go free. It accomplishes nothing!
No. They aren't useless. They are places where people who are threat to society should be until they'are rehabilitated.
Basileus777
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You could do this for many many criminals. It doesn't take away the crime.
timetokill
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So as long as a rapist "gets it out of their system" or whatever then hey, it's cool? Bygones be bygones?
There are a lot of people that commit crimes that they would never commit again. Someone who murders their wife for cheating on them may be highly unlikely to murder someone else. Do we just figure, hey, prison's not going to change anything, she's already dead? Just go ahead but don't do it again?
Couldn't you say the same for Mel Gibson and his father, yet he is shunned even after admitting he was wrong and pro actively trying to change?
I think Hollywood is alright with it because there is some shady stuff going on that is probably very similar, sex rings, taking advantage of young people. There is good people but an under current of bad stuff that gets brushed under the carpet is there.
maybe you just answered your own question
Wiktor
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The same? Nah. fuck it. Gibson is an angel compared to Polanski. Gibson is the one who can be seen as troubled soul that just got derailed and is trying to get on track. The fact that he's so shunned while Polanski get so much support is disgusting.
Polanski is absolutely a threat to society. More than a threat, his freedom all these decades stands as a mark of shame on society that a rapist can get away and be free, successful, and celebrated. He has also not been rehabilitated at all - he is unrepentant, sees himself as the victim, and it is his desire that everyone just forget about what he did and get on with it, like he so easily did.
I don't see why he shouldn't go to jail and spend some time reflecting on how he was wrong. Wrong to commit the crime, wrong to run away from it, wrong to make a mockery of the justice system.
Evil_Silver
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He'd go to jail and people like him don't like to experience the consequences of their actions because he has been spoiled by his position in society.
Evil_Silver
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Because it's Hollywood. Read Corey Feldman.
Interfectum
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I was just about to post this. Gibson is shunned while a child rapist gets a standing ovation at Hollywood's biggest award event. Insanity.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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What the fuck are you even talking about?
Sadly, nothing will likely come of this. It will be denied like always.
ComputerMKII
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He has both Polish and French citizenship. Not sure about Switzerland.
He was born in Paris. Being born on French soil from foreign parents give you a right to ask for naturalization as soon as you turn 18 (or even 16, on certain conditions of residency)
This will never cease to depress me.
quickwhips
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What happened to Corey Feldman?
Raped. Both him and Haim.
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