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[RumblingRosco]

There has to be something missing in this report.

1) Gay couple foster a baby
2) Everyone involved (baby, foster parents, biological mother, attorneys) support the gay couple fostering the baby
3) Judge randomly gets involved
4) ???
5) Baby is taken away

How can the judge legally preside over this if there was never a case in the first place? He's just allowed to do this because he's in some way connected to the case workers?

 

[Dai101]

What the hell? Also,i migth say, "shocked" to the appereance of the judge

 

[Robdraggoo]

I hope the appeal goes well. But utah..

 

[ItIsOkBro]

There was actually a study conducted by University of Texas professor and sociologist Mark Regnerus that found this to be true

Spoiler

Turns out he was funded by conservative groups and is not very thorough in terms of methodology, findings, etc

Wow this study is terrible, it's been called out many times by the scientist community.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

WTF? How can this even happen? How did a judge even got involved in the first place?

 

[Dr.Acula]

Is it a same-sex parent home when there's only one parent? Is a single-parent bad?

 

[M3d10n]

Is it a same-sex parent home when there's only one parent? Is a single-parent bad?

Pretty much this. So one mother = OK, two mothers = bad?

 

[Norwegian Rudo]

There has to be something missing in this report.

1) Gay couple foster a baby
2) Everyone involved (baby, foster parents, biological mother, attorneys) support the gay couple fostering the baby
3) Judge randomly gets involved
4) ???
5) Baby is taken away

How can the judge legally preside over this if there was never a case in the first place? He's just allowed to do this because he's in some way connected to the case workers?

It says the biological mother's parental rights are being terminated. I assume they need a judge to sign off on that?

 

[YourMaster]

Pretty much this. So one mother = OK, two mothers = bad?

You can't be going around calling gay people mothers now can you. The proper term is 'sinner'. Having gay sex around kid all the time will make the kid gay too.

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Poe's disclaimer: Sarcasm

 

[Byakuya769]

Should get sanctioned.

 

[RPGCrazied]

Judge needs to be fired asap.

 

[Sobriquet]

Johansen did not cite the research he referenced in court saying only that there are "a myriad" of studies that support his order.

Is the Book of Mormon considered a study?

 

[Tanis]

ABC Australia did a good article looking at a lot of the "child better off with hetro parents" research. Worth a read:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-24/same-sex-parenting-fact-or-fiction/6616352

Summary

Some opponents of same-sex marriage say it will be detrimental to children because they do better with a father and a mother.

While studies do show children benefit from a mother and a father, they compare with single parents and don't show whether it is parental gender, or having two parents, that confers the benefit.

The experts Fact Check spoke to said there was a dearth of definitive credible data demonstrating that children of same-sex parents experienced worse outcomes than children of heterosexual parents.

 

[Schadenfreude]

I wanna see the receipts has never been more appropriate. Seriously, fuck that guy.

 

[Sobriquet]

Wow, wtf at this judge:

This is not the first time Johansen has been in the news for making controversial rulings.

In 1997, he was reprimanded by the Utah Judicial Conduct Commission for "demeaning the judicial office" after slapping a 16-year-old boy who became belligerent during a 1995 meeting at the Price courthouse. Johansen knocked the boy's hat off his head and slapped his face.

Johansen was also criticized in 2014 for ordering a Carbon County mother to lop off her 13-year-old daughter's ponytail as punishment for the teen cutting the hair off a 3-year-old girl at a McDonald's.

Johansen told the 13-year-old's mother she could shave 150 hours of community service off the sentence if she cut her daughter's hair in court. Troy Williams, of Equality Utah, called Johansen's decision "outrageous and unconstitutional" and said it unnecessarily harms the couple and the child.

http://www.sltrib.com/home/3165669-155/carbon-county-judge-orders-same-sex-couple

 

[kame-sennin]

And if you are going to use research studies to back up a judicial order, you better be able to cite the actual studies instead of 'alot of research backs up my point"

Judges are never ever required to do this. Ever.

This is America's legal system.

 

[Sai-kun]

Old straight people! Lmao!

 

[openrob]

There is more research that shows removing children is damaging....But ya know....Whatever

 

[SolicitorPirate]

This is super fucking confusing. As people have already pointed out, how did the Court get involved?

Further, it is implied that these studies were not submitted as evidence by either party (if they were, they'd be citable). If so, how on earth did the Judge come to rely on them in his ruling?

 

[Red Mage]

What a fucking piece of shit. Absolutely deplorable and a clear violation of their rights. Fuck bigots.

One of my sisters was a foster parent for a time and, sadly, they don't have a lot of rights it seems.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

What the hell?

 

[Razmos]

Most disgusting thing I've seen in a long time.

 

[LiK]

this is gonna blow up all over his face.

 

[slabrock]

The fuck is this shit? This judge is an asshole

 

[Faddy]

this is gonna blow up all over his face.

How? It takes some time or whatever to get this case before a better judge and fix the situation but that doesn't matter to the judge. He has boosted his family values credentials which will see him win re-election which is probably all he cares about.

This is what happens when you elect everything, people start playing to their base.

GL voting this guy out in 2021.

 

[Sobriquet]

How? It takes some time or whatever to get this case before a better judge and fix the situation but that doesn't matter to the judge. He has boosted his family values credentials which will see him win re-election which is probably all he cares about.

This is what happens when you elect everything, people start playing to their base.

GL voting this guy out in 2021.

He was appointed in 1992.

 

[therapist]

lol stop it judge

so wrong , hopefully they get this all cleared up

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

everyone cool should be protesting this hell and back, this is disgusting.

 

[NimbusD]

Yep, rip a child up and out of their home and back into the system, that's an awesome idea that surely is the better option than having them raised by a same-sex couple. Fucking asshole.

 

[Tenebrous]

That is seriously one of the most disgusting things I've ever fucking read. Taking a child out of a loving home because of your prejudice? Holy shit. I'm actually annoyed, and it's damn hard to annoy me.

 

[foxuzamaki]

What a piece of shit

 

[Team Alucard]

How? It takes some time or whatever to get this case before a better judge and fix the situation but that doesn't matter to the judge. He has boosted his family values credentials which will see him win re-election which is probably all he cares about.

This is what happens when you elect everything, people start playing to their base.

Yup. There was a huge campaign here in Iowa to remove the justices on the state supreme court after they legalized same sex marriage in 2009. Sadly, 3 of of them were up for retention in 2010 and all were voted out of office. The Justice who was up for retention in 2012 kept his position though.

Fucking midterms, I swear.

 

[Faddy]

He was appointed in 1992.

In Utah judges are appointed by the Governor and ratified by the state senate. Then every 7 years they face retention ballots where they must receive a majority of votes to keep their job. Or they can be impeached or removed by an oversight committee.

 

[F0rneus]

I wonder if this has something to do with the troubles with the Church of Latter-Day Saints. It IS Utah. I know someone in the LDS's Church, and we've had deep talks about what is going on in Utah, and the church right now. I respect their POV, but imo they and the judge in this case are horribly, horribly wrong.

 

[pgtl_10]

Wow! This case might be start in extending civil rights based on sexual orientation.

 

[legacyzero]

Yeah, let's see those sources, bruh

 

[pgtl_10]

Is the Book of Mormon considered a study?

He can't use that as his source. That's a violation of the first amendment.

 

[pgtl_10]

Sadly we may never see the source because adoption cases are sealed.

 

[Tekomandor]

Sadly we may never see the source because adoption cases are sealed.

Also because it doesn't exist.

 

[pgtl_10]

Also because it doesn't exist.

What do you mean?

 

[Wilsongt]

If the mother of the child and foster servers approve, why did he take the child away in the first place?

 

[Sobriquet]

In Utah judges are appointed by the Governor and ratified by the state senate. Then every 7 years they face retention ballots where they must receive a majority of votes to keep their job. Or they can be impeached or removed by an oversight committee.

Thanks for the explanation. I saw the part about the oversight committee but missed that there are public elections for judges at that level.

The most recent report said that he puts personal beliefs ahead of law. You don't say.

 

[smurfx]

what research? if anything i remember reading the opposite and children of gay couples do pretty well.

 

[malfcn]

Fuck this judge. Take his gavel, Fire him and no benefits.

 

[ItIsOkBro]

What do you mean?

There's no legitimate study that says what he claims.

 

[Deleted member 80556]

This is fucking bullshit. Fuck that judge.

 

[mileS]

Johansen was also criticized in 2014 for ordering a Carbon County mother to lop off her 13-year-old daughter's ponytail as punishment for the teen cutting the hair off a 3-year-old girl at a McDonald's.

Wait what. You can legally order someone to do this?

 

[quesalupa]

That's beyond fucking horrible. Guy needs to go burn in hell.

 

[davepoobond]

Yeah, let's see those sources, bruh

the bible, bruh!!!

 

[CambriaRising]

Wait what. You can legally order someone to do this?

Well not exactly from what I understand. But you can basically extort someone into doing it by saying that if they don't, you will give them jail time.