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[Panajev2001a]

Pretty much lays it out that they are going to use the Xbox System for its gaming OS that it licenses out to 3rd party.

Maybe, but what he says supports the other way around. Migrate devs to the common Game SDK, supports Xbox console titles with VM/compatibiityblayers, and make additive shell changes to make the UI look more console like and hide the PC-ness under a new rug as much as they can.

 

[GymWolf]

The best of windows is usually convincing people to use another os...

 

[clarky]

With a beard as shit as that, I'm sure his judgement is sound and Xbox next gen is in super safe hands.

 

[Seomel]

theres nothing good about zbox and windows being on handheld

 

[Team Andromeda]

No interest in a HH but it makes perfect sense to have the Surface team involved and looking forward to seeing the next-gen console with a HH for those who like to game on a bog

 

[Fatmanp]

You are?

Ms/Xbox are usually first to a lot of things which Sony and Nintendo follow.

 

[odhiex]

“I think, at the end of the day, our goal is to make Windows great for gaming on any device,” says Ronald. “The reality is the Xbox operating system is built on top of Windows. So there’s a lot of infrastructure that we built in the console space that we can bring to the PC space and really deliver that premium gaming experience on any device.”

This is an obvious goal, but it seems like Microsoft tends to make anything more complicated, including their marketing campaign "This is an XBOX", the Company's obsession over A.I. etc.

I don't understand why a mega company like Microsoft, which owns the market share of Personal Computers with Windows, failed to capture the majority of PC gaming. They now have Blizzard (WoW), Call of Duty and Candy Crush. Not sure if the hybrid strategy (XBOX+Windows) will suddenly boost its position in the gaming space. I guess, we'll see.

 

[GHG]

Just make everygame crossbuy and they will have a winner. Buy xbox game get pc version free and vice versa.

Nobody other than those still inexplicably trapped in the Xbox ecosystem give a shit about this.

They have an uphill battle.

Ms/Xbox are usually first to a lot of things which Sony and Nintendo follow.

Achievements, paid online (which hasn't been a positive for the space), and what else?

 

[Trilobit]

 

[Vroadstar]

“We’ve been really innovating for a long time in the console space"

 

[Astray]

Their biggest problem has always been that what's tying PC gamers to Windows isn't a Microsoft-provided library, but a Steam one.

I don't really see how this new initiative will solve this. I personally will wait for the Steam OS stuff to come out and take my pick.

 

[Schmick]

What version of the game (console or PC) would a PS/Xbox handheld play anyway?

 

[TBiddy]

Achievements, paid online (which hasn't been a positive for the space), and what else?

Adaptive controllers and Play Anywhere seem to be good innovations as well.

This is an obvious goal, but it seems like Microsoft tends to make anything more complicated, including their marketing campaign "This is an XBOX", the Company's obsession over A.I. etc.

I don't understand why a mega company like Microsoft, which owns the market share of Personal Computers with Windows, failed to capture the majority of PC gaming. They now have Blizzard (WoW), Call of Duty and Candy Crush. Not sure if the hybrid strategy (XBOX+Windows) will suddenly boost its position in the gaming space. I guess, we'll see.

Microsoft has never been good at convincing consumers that their products are good. They are an enterprise company with a gaming branch, which they really don't know what to do with. Sometimes they seem to go all in. At other times it looks like they are abandoning ship.

 

[kruis]

Their biggest problem has always been that what's tying PC gamers to Windows isn't a Microsoft-provided library, but a Steam one.

I don't really see how this new initiative will solve this. I personally will wait for the Steam OS stuff to come out and take my pick.

Yep. PC gamers on Windows are far more likely to buy a SteamOS based handheld than a Windows based device. It's a delicious irony.

 

[Calverz]

Great to hear. Hopefully good to go for Ally 2 launch.

 

[GHG]

Adaptive controllers

Microsoft didn't invent adaptive controllers.

Play Anywhere

Portal 2 PS3 Has Cross-Platform Multiplayer, Free PC Version

Valve Software revealed its Steam-powered PlayStation 3 version of Portal 2 will support PC/Mac-to-PS3 multiplayer, cloud-based storage of PS3 save games and cross-platform chat.

www.gamedeveloper.com

Steam :: Steam for Linux :: Introducing a new version of Steam Play

In 2010, we announced Steam Play: a way for Steam users to access Windows, Mac and Linux versions of Steam games with a single purchase. More than 3000 of the games that have been added to Steam after that point have included Linux support, with more titles being added every day. Since then...

steamcommunity.com

By the way "play anywhere", doesn't really mean play anywhere either.

 

[64bitbros]

Xbox Live 2: Electric Boogaloo

 

[TBiddy]

Microsoft didn't invent adaptive controllers.

Portal 2 PS3 Has Cross-Platform Multiplayer, Free PC Version

Valve Software revealed its Steam-powered PlayStation 3 version of Portal 2 will support PC/Mac-to-PS3 multiplayer, cloud-based storage of PS3 save games and cross-platform chat.

www.gamedeveloper.com

By the way "play anywhere", doesn't really mean play anywhere either.

First adaptive controller that could be customized then. Jesus. And surely you don't think that Portal game is the same as 'Play Anywhere'.

 

[crazyriddler]

TBH while I love steamos for handhelds and proton is awesome, I would prefer a debloated, optimized and consolized version of windows with a great UI for controllers. In the end, proton will always be a step back from native, also I'm not a fan of the linux desktop experience or its file system or command console.

 

[GHG]

First adaptive controller that could be customized then. Jesus.

We went from "innovation" to "iteration" in lightning speed here.

And surely you don't think that Portal game is the same as 'Play Anywhere'.

What do you think this is then?:

In 2010, we announced Steam Play: a way for Steam users to access Windows, Mac and Linux versions of Steam games with a single purchase.

Steam :: Steam for Linux :: Introducing a new version of Steam Play

In 2010, we announced Steam Play: a way for Steam users to access Windows, Mac and Linux versions of Steam games with a single purchase. More than 3000 of the games that have been added to Steam after that point have included Linux support, with more titles being added every day. Since then...

steamcommunity.com

 

[fastest finger]

It's worse than that. One side of the beard is whiter than the other and it's driving me nuts.

It’s where he got the inspiration for a White Series S and a Black Series X.

 

[ProtoByte]

DOA. The handheld glaze is faux hype anyway, Windows OS will dispel even that.

 

[DavidGzz]

Achievements, paid online (which hasn't been a positive for the space), and what else?

Xbox Live, integrated voice chat for all games, achievements, and the first console with an internal HDD. Oh, Kinect.....Booyah!/s

 

[TBiddy]

We went from "innovation" to "iteration" in lightning speed here.

Steam :: Steam for Linux :: Introducing a new version of Steam Play

In 2010, we announced Steam Play: a way for Steam users to access Windows, Mac and Linux versions of Steam games with a single purchase. More than 3000 of the games that have been added to Steam after that point have included Linux support, with more titles being added every day. Since then...

steamcommunity.com

You really need to check what the word "innovation" means, my friend.

And I'm glad we agree that the Portal link you started off with was useless, since you're now iterating to something else. Steam Play, while a great idea, is different from Play Anywhere. We both know that.

 

[rodrigolfp]

The Windows hate force that never touch it on Steam Deck at full force again. It's "just works".

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I thought that Ronald guy was gone from Microsoft, I guess not.

I see he's become even more wizard like in his appearance. Why are there so many flamboyant weirdos as the face of tech company products? NVIDIA guy yesterday was a hoot.

He's the "VP of Next Gen" or something like that

Also the guy I have brought up many times was with us in Ybarras channel that they chuckled at the power of the PS5 during its tech reveal

So dude doesn’t inspire confidence in me he REALLY knows what’s best

 

[Mr Moose]

Pretty much lays it out that they are going to use the Xbox System for its gaming OS that it licenses out to 3rd party.

Isn't that just Metro?

 

[rickybooby87]

He hides the secret second GPU in the beard

 

[xrnzaaas]

It's not going to be a debloated, optimized version of Windows running like clockwork, you'll be dealing with all of the downsides or their current OS. Microsoft can't make a good version of W11 for desktop users, why would they succeed with a niche portable hardware.

 

[GHG]

You really need to check what the word "innovation" means, my friend.

And I'm glad we agree that the Portal link you started off with was useless, since you're now iterating to something else. Steam Play, while a great idea, is different from Play Anywhere. We both know that.

I'd like you to explain how you think Steam Play is any different.

You buy a game on Steam and it allows you to play the game across all hardware where the Steam store is officially available for playing games (Windows, Mac and Linux).

You buy a game on Xbox and it allows you to play the game across all hardware where the windows/xbox store is officially available (windows and Xbox consoles).

Just as Steam play only grants you a copy of the game to play across multiple device types that run Steam, Play Anywhere only grants you the PC version via the windows store (which nobody in their right mind wants to use) and Xbox consoles (the less said about that the better).

You are literally only getting access within the same store that Microsoft themselves own (for example, you are not also being granted, Linux, steam, playstation, etc versions of that game). Which, incidentally, is exactly the same thing Steam has been doing with Steam play since 2010 (although they did make an exception with the PS3 version of portal 2).

"New to Xbox" does not mean it's new to the industry. But we've been here many times before, just as when people really tried to tell us gamepass was the first gaming subscription to ever exist.

 

[Astray]

Portal 2 PS3 Has Cross-Platform Multiplayer, Free PC Version

Valve Software revealed its Steam-powered PlayStation 3 version of Portal 2 will support PC/Mac-to-PS3 multiplayer, cloud-based storage of PS3 save games and cross-platform chat.

www.gamedeveloper.com

Steam :: Steam for Linux :: Introducing a new version of Steam Play

In 2010, we announced Steam Play: a way for Steam users to access Windows, Mac and Linux versions of Steam games with a single purchase. More than 3000 of the games that have been added to Steam after that point have included Linux support, with more titles being added every day. Since then...

steamcommunity.com

By the way "play anywhere", doesn't really mean play anywhere either.

I also think Crossbuy was a thing for some PS4/Vita games too, but not sure if that came before or after MS's initiative..

 

[SmokedMeat]

The best of Windows? WINDOWS??!

 

[Three]

It's not going to be a debloated, optimized version of Windows running like clockwork, you'll be dealing with all of the downsides or their current OS. Microsoft can't make a good version of W11 for desktop users, why would they succeed with a niche portable hardware.

That's a good point. I think there is a possibility where MS are going to try and do it for both. As in license out the "xboxOS" as a competitor to SteamOS on any machine.

 

[Lucifers Beard]

Seems a bit stupid to meld 'the best parts' of both together for gaming when Xbox OS already exists and would be fine for a handheld gaming device. Seems like work for the sake of work.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

It's not going to be a debloated, optimized version of Windows running like clockwork, you'll be dealing with all of the downsides or their current OS. Microsoft can't make a good version of W11 for desktop users, why would they succeed with a niche portable hardware.

I don’t know this gives me more hope than some of the earlier articles that came out. Yeah it will run on Windows background but should be more streamlined. I mean Steam OS is just a front end for Linux. If you look at it from a workflow perspective shifting the Xbox os team to work on this as the main all in one system seems like a smart path. MS seems to be fully aware of the threat of Steam OS. If they can put a somewhat competent tailored release out this would be a huge boon for pc gaming.

Not everyone wants to have just one pc for everything, especially since general office pcs are so cheap now. Unless you are in a super high computational field i.e. analytics,media based,etc,plus a lot off that now can be offset to the cloud).

Yeah we will have the Xbox storefront flash first but it sounds like Windows now where you can install other storefronts this could be huge. A lot of people including me would probably jump out of the console space mostly if something like this were to come out. MS is starting to understand that they have to be more flexible in the gaming space like the PC space. That’s why Windows won vs Apple in the 80s and continues to be the dominant OS.

 

[Punished Miku]

Seems a bit stupid to meld 'the best parts' of both together for gaming when Xbox OS already exists and would be fine for a handheld gaming device. Seems like work for the sake of work.

nah, it would be awesome. I think people would be creaming themselves if Sony was doing this. The ability to take your console experience to virtually any device is pretty appealing.

 

[SJRB]

 

[Thief1987]

I also think Crossbuy was a thing for some PS4/Vita games too, but not sure if that came before or after MS's initiative..

Yeah, years before. Sony introduced it in 2012. Play anywhere become a thing in 2017 iirc

 

[adamsapple]

Adaptive controllers and Play Anywhere seem to be good innovations as well.

Also Xbox Live over the PS2's wild west of online infrastructure, something PSN and NSO would adopt later.

 

[TBiddy]

I'd like you to explain how you think Steam Play is any different.

You buy a game on Steam and it allows you to play the game across all hardware where the Steam store is officially available for playing games (Windows, Mac and Linux).

You buy a game on Xbox and it allows you to play the game across all hardware where the windows/xbox store is officially available (windows and Xbox consoles).

Just as Steam play only grants you a copy of the game to play across multiple device types that run Steam, Play Anywhere only grants you the PC version via the windows store (which nobody in their right mind wants to use) and Xbox consoles (the less said about that the better).

You are literally only getting access within the same store that Microsoft themselves own (for example, you are not also being granted, Linux, steam, playstation, etc versions of that game). Which, incidentally, is exactly the same thing Steam has been doing with Steam play since 2010 (although they did make an exception with the PS3 version of portal 2).

"New to Xbox" does not mean it's new to the industry. But we've been here many times before, just as when people really tried to tell us gamepass was the first gaming subscription to ever exist.

I assume you've accepted that the adaptive controller was groundbreaking. So far, so good.

Steam Play was designed to allow certain games to be playable on both Windows, Linux and macOS, using different executables, meaning the game had to be supported on all the platforms or emulated via Proton.
Play Anywhere is a marketing name for games running on both Windows... and Windows on Xbox, allowing you to play a lot of games on both your PC and your console with a single purchase.

I trust you see the difference.

As for when "people tried to tell us gamepass was the first gaming subscription", I couldn't care less. If you want to fight someone about that, go find someone who said that.

Also Xbox Live over the PS2's wild west of online infrastructure, something PSN and NSO would adopt later.

Agreed. But we both know that GHG will never accept that, because online gaming previously existed. Going by his logic Blu-Ray wasn't an innovation, since discs weren't new. DualSense wasn't innovative. The SSD in the PS5 wasn't innovative. Nothing about the new consoles are innovative.

Flatscreen TV's? Not innovative. Just an iteration of existing TV's.

Nowadays the best of Windows is that it can run Steam. Is there something else?

From a consumer standpoint? I don't think so. Most people would probably be better of with a Mac.

 

[Mokus]

Nowadays the best of Windows is that it can run Steam. Is there something else?

 

[Punished Miku]

Nowadays the best of Windows is that it can run Steam. Is there something else?

Imagine you're playing on Xbox now. Now you also have everything on Steam, all the Epic free games, and the convenience of a great console system UI focused on controller friendly interface, and access to GP, synced up cloud saves everywhere, and rewards points integration for free money. Is there even anything else to have at that point? That's pretty much everything.

MS really couldn't even do anything else at that point but just further optimize performance.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I am hoping that this will eventually be everything I dreamed of!

 

[Horseganador]

Late and bad as always, Valve with its SteamOS is going to overtake them again.

 

[Kvally]

I though that Jason Ronald guy had glued a fake beard to his chin. But it's real. Why???

Everyone is different. For example, I shave my taint.

 

[That Damn Kid]

I though that Jason Ronald guy had glued a fake beard to his chin. But it's real. Why???

 

[Little Chicken]

Looking forward to more Microsoft innovation in the console/PC/handheld space that will be aped by competitors 5 years down the line

 

[Topher]

Looking forward to more Microsoft innovation in the console/PC/handheld space that will be aped by competitors 5 years down the line

That's funny considering Microsoft wouldn't be doing any of this if not for the innovations Valve made with Steam Deck.

 

[Kvally]

I am hoping that this will eventually be everything I dreamed of!

You are everything I dreamed of!

 

[EN250]

Whatever it turns out to be, it's getting skipped along with the PS portable, for Steam Deck 2.

ps portable shouldn't even be mentioned here, the device is an ad-on for the PS5, completely useless without the console, isn't it?