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Verizon CFO says FiOS build-out is over. LTE replaces service for non-FiOS residents.

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sangreal said:
Any information to back up your claim that Verizon has stopped building out in the existing franchised towns (as opposed to their halted expansion which we can all agree on)?
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I can give you circumstantial evidence in that the rest of my town has had it for close to 2 - 2 1/2 years now. The little bubble I'm in is still FiOS free. That combined, with this news, doesn't give me any confidence that they have any plans of finishing off my town.
 
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I just got my 4G droid bionic phone. I did speed test and it was 12 down / 5 up with 65ms ping, which is not too shabs for wireless. I live in the DC area too, so that seems pretty legit (as in I wasn't the only guy on the tower).

So I suppose their strategy makes sense - you can get competitive speeds to hundreds of customers by building a single tower instead of building lines to each house.

edit: this is only taking into account internet I guess. I didn't consider the tv aspect. Yeah that sucks. Comcast/cox/whoeverelsethereis sucks at tv.
 
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gravitybear said:
I just got my 4G droid bionic phone. I did speed test and it was 12 down / 5 up with 65ms ping, which is not too shabs for wireless. I live in the DC area too, so that seems pretty legit (as in I wasn't the only guy on the tower).

So I suppose their strategy makes sense - you can get competitive speeds to hundreds of customers by building a single tower instead of building lines to each house.

edit: this is only taking into account internet I guess. I didn't consider the tv aspect. Yeah that sucks. Comcast/cox/whoeverelsethereis sucks at tv.
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With LTE and home, supposedly Verizon will continue its contract agreement with DirecTV. This same bundling plan is done for its ADSL customers.

That's your TV.

Yes Verizon is launching FiOS IPTV next month on the Xbox 360, but I can't imagine the quality of the stream over LTE is going to compare with straight FiOS.
 
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This sucks balls. Verizon has Fios available less than 5 miles away from my house in the other track and I don't have it. I was hoping for them to expand their coverage to my street so I could be done with Time Warner, but it looks like I'm still going to be stuck with them.
 
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claviertekky said:
The only build out that Verizon has promised is New York by 2014 except three areas (e.g. Long Island, Buffalo) since Verizon signed an agreement to build the entire state although they are willing to pay fines for not completing some areas.



Verizon is taking a shortcut here.

I know the local city council in my area had a dispute with Verizon and NextGNetworks (http://www.nextgnetworks.net/nextg/) as Verizon wanted to build towers here. Local residents protested, so some of the mapping was reproposed.

There are no signs of FiOS being deployed in my area (e.g. no boxes, no wiring, no digging), so the matter is that it seems clear Verizon is going to use LTE as the FiOS replacement. This is not the first time this strategy has been hinted.

This news piece confirms it.

Verizon knows FTTH is too costly for rural areas despite the neighboring cities around me who have it.



The book (free): http://www.teletruth.org/docs/broadbandscandalfree.pdf

Press:

http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070810_002683.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/11/technology/11online.ready.html
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so 1) the US gov didn't give them 200 billion. They just didn't collect it in tax.
 
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I live in Brooklyn. My dad has fios and never uses the Internet. I live 10 blocks away where it's not available. :/
 
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Raistlin said:
But that isn't FiOS. You can look up the estimated costs for installation and HW. The installation is typically like 4-6 hours (many times more) ... and the main wall box (and even the rented set-top boxes) is pretty pricey. I suspect the offering of TV and telephony is where things get much pricier.
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I don't know the difference between our fiber and verizon fiber, just that we have hw that supports and upgrade to 1gbit so we can use it for phone and tv delivery as well. We just settled with 100/100 for now. Or something like that. And since we paid for and own the hw i guess the ISP is getting their ROI from day 1. And it obviously did not cost all that much since individual household charge is 15 euro/month.

The installation was done in less than one hour, but it's just a jack in the wall next to the front door. I have no box. I guess the fiber i get is cheaper than verizon fiber, but it's still 100/100 :p
 
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jorma said:
I don't know the difference between our fiber and verizon fiber, just that we have hw that supports and upgrade to 1gbit so we can use it for phone and tv delivery as well. We just settled with 100/100 for now. Or something like that. And since we paid for and own the hw i guess the ISP is getting their ROI from day 1. And it obviously did not cost all that much since individual household charge is 15 euro/month.

The installation was done in less than one hour, but it's just a jack in the wall next to the front door. I have no box. I guess the fiber i get is cheaper than verizon fiber, but it's still 100/100 :p
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The issue is there is a lot of extra HW to handle TV on the main wall unit. Router has to support MoCA, etc.

It's not a simple plug-n-play.
 
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claviertekky said:
It's not just my town. Even areas that have FiOS buildouts can be halted forever because Verizon hasn't seen the return for residents to adopt the service.

As I said before, the only state that Verizon signed to complete FiOS is New York.

What makes you think that same idea is not going to be for other cities out there?
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thats dope, I was tired of waiting though so I got road runner wide band 50mbps for $100 a month. I'll switch when it hits my neighborhood, time warner cable sucks ass.
 
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Didn't the former head of Verizon Wireless take on a prime leadership position in the main Verizon Communications company? And he's a noted dick? In light of that, them trying to justify the existence and expense of their crappy wireless division via heavy lifting by the parent company was a predictable move. Cynical though.

It's like instead of Nabisco making healthy snacks for kids, they turned to their tobacco division to fortify their cigarettes with vitamins.

so 1) the US gov didn't give them 200 billion. They just didn't collect it in tax.
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Apparently letting people keep their tax money breeds contempt.
 
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Raistlin said:
The issue is there is a lot of extra HW to handle TV on the main wall unit. Router has to support MoCA, etc.

It's not a simple plug-n-play.
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If you don't have a router that can talk to the TV box, you lose the ability for caller ID VoIP toast notifications and the guide.

Not using the official router doesn't break the functionality completely as you can still watch TV.

Dead Man said:
Really? You think there is a difference?
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:lol
 
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meh LTE sucks . My gf's parents have fios with a 150/35 speeds. Its amazing to behold and when i'm over my gf's house we can play 360 online games with 2 consoles in the house connected to friends in other locations along with her mother streaming netflix and her father also streaming netflix .

It doesn't even blink at that.

I'm on cablevision and once 6pm rolls around the service goes to hell. They claim i'm on a 30/5 conneciton but speed tests shows me as low as 5/1 during peak hours.


The one nice things with cablevision is all the wifi hot spots they have.

I'm surprised that verizon isn't working on getting more hotspots out there as even their lte speeds are slower.
 
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claviertekky said:
If you don't have a router that can talk to the TV box, you lose the ability for caller ID VoIP toast notifications and the guide.

Not using the official router doesn't break the functionality completely as you can still watch TV.
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You also lose the guide and VOD. You can use your own router and get all of the functionality, but only if it supports MoCa or you bridge it with the official MoCa router.


I'm not sure what any of this has to do with the price of tea in China though
 
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Philooch said:
I live in Brooklyn. My dad has fios and never uses the Internet. I live 10 blocks away where it's not available. :/
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Almost the situation for me, but it's Optimum online, about 12 blocks away is Opt, the fucked up part is only comcast is allowed to be the cable provider in my area, this is why I wanted FIOS to come to my area guess that won't happen... stuck with verizon DSL forever....
 
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Jamesfrom818 said:
LTE is awesome and LTE advanced will be incredibly awesome once that is rolled out.
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I'm not sure if Verizon has enough spectrum to cover LTE advanced nor capable of handling the traffic for it.
 
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Buddha Beam said:
Someday America will get out of the stone age.
...someday...

Canada, however, is still fucked though.
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Doubt it, I have been on a grandfathered unlimited mobile-broadband plan for several years through Sprint. It's the only internet I can get outside of dial-up and satellite which are non-options due to latency/usage caps. Time Warner services my area with cable TV, but according to the local technicians (which we call several times a year for outages) most of the lines/equipment have been in place since the late 1970's and the company doesn't want to invest any more money than they have to in order to deliver basic TV service.

Because TW "services" the area no other company will attempt to deploy any options. I'm sure my local area can't be the only place being held back by anti-competitive practices.

I heard recently Sprint is getting rid of all unlimited 3g/4g service and instituting the bullshit caps. I'm not sure if that will affect me (last I checked, we didn't even have 3g service in my area, let alone 4g). If I get hit with some retarded 5gb cap I will have to cancel my service and do without internet (5gb is a joke, I average 25gb/mo). Since dial-up is useless and I can't afford equally useless satellite that would be a huge step back well-before the stone age.
 
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eastmen said:
does LTE advanced offer gigabit speeds ?
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Supposed to hit 900 MB/s or is it Mb. I forget.

Regular LTE devices should work on LTE advanced networks provided that they're on the same frequency. Sorta like how the 3G GSM devices work on HSPA+ networks.
 
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claviertekky said:
If you don't have a router that can talk to the TV box, you lose the ability for caller ID VoIP toast notifications and the guide.
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I'm well aware of this. It was an example, and doesn't dramatically change the ROI estimates.
 
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Raistlin said:
I'm well aware of this. It was an example, and doesn't dramatically change the ROI estimates.
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That equipment money should have been spent back in 1996 but instead the telecoms somehow did the jedi mind control to the government and got approval for deregulation.

Instead of improving the network, the telecoms just cannibalized each other thus forming today the large AT&T and Verizon territories. The money was instead spent on perhaps personal things and anti-consumer laws.

When questioned where the broadband network is, the telecoms took advantage of the FCC's ignorance to tech and said it's in ADSL. They lobbied to define the broadband law to 200 Kbps. Today it's 3.0 Mbps (download) but still over half of the USA doesn't meet that requirement.

Billions of dollars have been wasted from the US tax dollars and still today the government funds things they have no idea if the money is put into the right use.

The continual process of setting broadband speeds low will hurt the USA in the long run. If you look at worldwide speed comparison tests, the damage is already done, and all those countries are laughing at the USA for its extreme incompetence.

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Supposed to hit 900 MB/s or is it Mb. I forget.

Regular LTE devices should work on LTE advanced networks provided that they're on the same frequency. Sorta like how the 3G GSM devices work on HSPA+ networks.
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Should be 1 Gigabit.

As others said, no surprise Verizon is changing to this deployment strategy since the CEO is pro-wireless.
 
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BASKING RIDGE, NJ — Verizon Wireless, owner of the nation’s largest 4G Long Term Evolution (LTE) network, today announced that it will cover more than two-thirds of the U.S. population when it introduces its 4G LTE network in 27 new markets and expands in 44 markets on April 19. With the new and expanded markets, Verizon Wireless continues to lead the industry in 4G LTE deployment, offering network coverage in 230 markets across the United States. By the end of 2012, the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network will be available in more than 400 markets, and will be available to more than 260 million people in the United States.

On Thursday, April 19, the company will introduce its 4G LTE network in Auburn and Tuscaloosa, Ala.; Pine Bluff, Siloam Springs and Van Buren, Ark.; Visalia/Porterville, Calif.; Fort Walton Beach and Ocala, Fla.; Brunswick, LaGrange and Macon/Warner Robins, Ga.; Peoria, Ill.; Kokomo/Logansport and Marion, Ind.; Dodge City, Garden City, Great Bend and Hays, Kan.; Salisbury, Md.; Cattaraugus/Allegany, N.Y.; Sandusky, Ohio; Ardmore and Ponca City, Okla.; Salem/Albany/Corvallis, Ore.; Pierre, S.D.; and Big Springs and Tyler, Texas.

The company will also expand its 4G LTE network in Phoenix and Tucson, Ariz.; Bakersfield, Fresno, Modesto, Sacramento, Salinas/Monterey, San Diego, San Francisco, San Luis Obispo and Stockton, Calif.; Colorado Springs and Fort Collins/Loveland, Colo.; Sarasota/Bradenton, Fla.; Boise/Nampa, Idaho; Carbondale/Marion and Rockford, Ill.; Fort Wayne and Indianapolis, Ind.; Des Moines, Iowa; Boston and Worcester, Mass.; Detroit, Mich.; St. Louis, Mo.; Las Vegas and Reno, Nev.; Manchester/Nashua, N.H.; Albuquerque and Santa Fe, N.M.; Buffalo/Niagara Falls and New York, N.Y.; Akron, Cleveland and Columbus, Ohio; Oklahoma City and Tulsa, Okla.; Portland, Ore.; Providence/Pawtucket, R.I.; Nashville, Tenn.; El Paso, Texas; Provo/Orem and Salt Lake City/Ogden, Utah; and Olympia/Centralia and Spokane, Wash.
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http://news.verizonwireless.com/news/2012/04/pr2012-04-16c.html
 
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gravitybear said:
I just got my 4G droid bionic phone. I did speed test and it was 12 down / 5 up with 65ms ping, which is not too shabs for wireless. I live in the DC area too, so that seems pretty legit (as in I wasn't the only guy on the tower).
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I've hit 55Mbps down, >12Mbps up, and 47ms ping though LTE on my Droid 4. I'm thinking of dropping my home internet again. I have unlimited data, though.
 
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I have a friend in Tokyo I spoke to a couple of days ago. His "pocket internet" hotspot apparently gets 75 Mbps down / 10 Mbps up...nationwide....including the subway.
 
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Plywood said:
...so mad rite now
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Well, don't be. Smaller country and a bit of a nuclear problem apparently...
But it appears that Verizon's LTE will be the end game of some of these cable companies. I'm willing to bet thats why TWC and Comcast sold some of that spectrum to Verizon. Better to get into the game now before it's too late (I'm looking at you Cablevision).
 
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My city's power board rolled out fiber optic internet and tv. Can actually get 1 GB up and download for like 350$ at your house, fastest in the US.

Fuck verizon, at&t, comcast,etc.
 
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Lame asses only going for this "LTE" shit.

4G standard is <= 100mbps down.

IF they don't throttle the shit out of us and fuck us in the ass like they have been... maybe I'll consider it.
 
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Nordic countries seem to be doing just fine and we have a smaller population density than the US. Your telecoms just suck.
 
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DeathNote said:
My city's power board rolled out fiber optic internet and tv. Can actually get 1 GB up and download for like 350$ at your house, fastest in the US.

Fuck verizon, at&t, comcast,etc.
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Wheres this?

Maryland is supposed to have a lot of fiber rolled out, but who knows what's going to happen with that really. I'm hoping to god more ISPs pop out or Google even. But it wouldn't surprise me if Verizon just dominates it all.
 
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Google, save us! Seriously. This is complete bullshit. The most powerful country in the world and yet we still have ass backwards services, including Healthcare, Internet speeds, and so much more, because we're afraid of a little socialism. This country boggles my fucking mind sometimes.
 
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