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The version tested was 1.05 on the PS4 consoles and 1.050.000 on PS5.

PS5 renders at a native resolution of 3840x2160.

PS4 Pro renders at a resolution of 3200x1800 using checkerboard rendering when outputting at 2160p or when using forced supersampling at 1080p.

When outputting at 1080p with forced supersampling disabled, PS4 Pro renders at a native resolution of 1920x1080. The native 1080p mode on PS4 Pro has some improvements compared to the 1800p mode such as motion blur during gameplay and a 60fps target for replays.

PS4 renders at a native resolution of 1920x1080.

PS5 has some graphical improvements compared to the PS4 consoles such as: improved draw distance, improved LOD transition distance, additional track detail, improved reflections, improved effects and higher quality shadows.

PS5 has two modes: a Frame Rate mode and a Ray Tracing mode. With the RT mode enabled, certain scenes outside of gameplay feature Ray Traced reflections such as race intro scenes, replays and viewing cars from the menu. The scenes with Ray Tracing run at 30fps instead of 60fps with the Frame Rate mode. There doesn't seem to be any difference between the two modes during gameplay where both run at 60fps without Ray Traced reflections.

The footage here for all three consoles was captured using race replays with the gameplay camera view which runs similarly to actual gameplay.

Platforms	PS5	PS4 Pro	PS4
Frame Amounts
Game Frames	51911	51208	51012
Video Frames	52712	52712	52712
Frame Tearing Statistics
Total Torn Frames	0	0	0
Lowest Torn Line	-	-	-
Frame Height	2160	2160	1080
Frame Time Statistics
Mean Frame Time	16.92ms	17.16ms	17.22ms
Median Frame Time	16.67ms	16.67ms	16.67ms
Maximum Frame Time	33.33ms	33.33ms	33.33ms
Minimum Frame Time	16.67ms	16.67ms	16.67ms
95th Percentile Frame Time	16.67ms	16.67ms	16.67ms
99th Percentile Frame Time	33.33ms	33.33ms	33.33ms
Frame Rate Statistics
Mean Frame Rate	59.09fps	58.29fps	58.06fps
Median Frame Rate	60fps	60fps	60fps
Maximum Frame Rate	60fps	60fps	60fps
Minimum Frame Rate	44fps	44fps	41fps
5th Percentile Frame Rate	51fps	51fps	49fps
1st Percentile Frame Rate	47fps	47fps	44fps
Frame Time Counts
16.67ms	51110 (98.46%)	49704 (97.06%)	49312 (96.67%)
33.33ms	801 (1.54%)	1504 (2.94%)	1700 (3.33%)
Other
Dropped Frames	0	0	0
Runt Frames	0	0	0
Runt Frame Thresholds	20 rows	20 rows	20 rows

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Stress test frame rate:

Non-stress test frame rate:

 

[adamsapple]

PS4 Pro version pulling it's weight. Good shit.

 

[onQ123]

PS5 & PS4 Pro

 

[Markio128]

In my personal experience with the game, the image is always sharp and clear and there have been no discernible missed frames - not bad at all for a native 4K game.

 

[DeepEnigma]

In my personal experience with the game, the image is always sharp and clear and there have been no discernible missed frames - not bad at all for a native 4K game.

Same, never noticed it at all in gameplay, only lower framerate in some replay angles and some select pre-race panning shots on a handful of tracks.

 

[Neo_game]

I din't know even PS4 had 60fps replays. So only 30fps replay has some enhancement otherwise replay and gameplay has same settings ?

 

[Killer8]

Game needs VRR. Get on it already, Sony.

 

[Lumpyoatmeal]

Man visually I just find this so underwhelming. This is the year 2022, I expect so much more. Ten years ago Crysis 3 released and that title can still hold its own with these 'next-generation' games; You go back ten years earlier (2001-2002) than when Crysis 3 released and there is no title that would come anywhere close visually, sheeesh.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Man visually I just find this so underwhelming. This is the year 2022, I expect so much more. Ten years ago Crysis 3 released and that title can still hold its own with these 'next-generation' games; You go back ten years earlier (2001-2002) than when Crysis 3 released and there is no title that would come anywhere close visually, sheeesh.

It's a decent bump over GTS, but nothing mindblowing of course. It's a cross gen game after all.

 

[Lumpyoatmeal]

It's a decent bump over GTS, but nothing mindblowing of course. It's a cross gen game after all.

We're probably going to have to wait 5 more years for their next game, that's ridiculous man. Gamers gotta be more demanding.

 

[HTK]

What they've done on the Multiplayer and Sport side of things is criminal compared to GT Sport.

 

[DeepEnigma]

What they've done on the Multiplayer and Sport side of things is criminal compared to GT Sport.

Explain. I never played Sport.

 

[StateofMajora]

I noticed a couple things I actually find more appealing on the ps4 versions like sun glare on cars, and the ps4 pro when set to 1080p output seems just as good as ps5 apart from resolution. The tamest cross gen difference from Sony yet.

 

[Markio128]

I noticed a couple things I actually find more appealing on the ps4 versions like sun glare on cars, and the ps4 pro when set to 1080p output seems just as good as ps5 apart from resolution. The tamest cross gen difference from Sony yet.

I think PD should be applauded for making GT7 a great experience on all consoles, but really, you are undermining the improvements found in the PS5 version, such as effects, lighting, shadows, LOD, etc., not to mention being native 4K and having RT enabled replays. It's all gravy.

 

[HTK]

Explain. I never played Sport.

Time stamped. But essentially the way things are setup, you either have to grind like crazy for each car to use properly online or or spend money on credits. More or less design choices were made based on microtransactions.

 

[EverydayBeast]

Losing the PS4 player base would be huge risk.

 

[Negotiator101]

I think PD should be applauded for making GT7 a great experience on all consoles, but really, you are undermining the improvements found in the PS5 version, such as effects, lighting, shadows, LOD, etc., not to mention being native 4K and having RT enabled replays. It's all gravy.

RT in replays is hardly worth mentioning.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Time stamped. But essentially the way things are setup, you either have to grind like crazy for each car to use properly online or or spend money on credits. More or less design choices were made based on microtransactions.

Ohhh, thought this had something to do with performance tech.

 

[Markio128]

RT in replays is hardly worth mentioning.

It is, if like me, you watch a lot of replays.

 

[DeepEnigma]

It is, if like me, you watch a lot of replays.

I just can't get past the framerate. I wanted to, but it's jarring going from 60 to 30. The 60fps replays look sublime with the camera movement.

 

[SlimySnake]

Man visually I just find this so underwhelming. This is the year 2022, I expect so much more. Ten years ago Crysis 3 released and that title can still hold its own with these 'next-generation' games; You go back ten years earlier (2001-2002) than when Crysis 3 released and there is no title that would come anywhere close visually, sheeesh.

I think the industry on a whole is in a state of arrested development. You have greedy execs, unambitious devs, and a complacent media all equally responsible for this sorry state we find ourselves in.

 

[GHG]

What they've done on the Multiplayer and Sport side of things is criminal compared to GT Sport.

People are too busy crying about optional microtransactions to talk about that. It's a mess and they will end up losing the online community built in GT Sport if they don't sort it out ASAP.

All they needed to do was copy and paste the old system over with a few penalty improvements but they somehow fucked it up beyond belief.

 

[Boxster17]

Time stamped. But essentially the way things are setup, you either have to grind like crazy for each car to use properly online or or spend money on credits. More or less design choices were made based on microtransactions.

But grinding like crazy is nothing new for a GT series game? You had to do that in all the old games as well, with Sport being the exception in that it had no performance tuning outside of the mileage upgrades.

I honestly don't have a problem with having to buy tires but I will say that any vehicle that comes with racing tires, should come standard with inters and wet tires as well (ie. Gr 3 cars).

 

[HTK]

But grinding like crazy is nothing new for a GT series game? You had to do that in all the old games as well, with Sport being the exception in that it had no performance tuning outside of the mileage upgrades.

I honestly don't have a problem with having to buy tires but I will say that any vehicle that comes with racing tires, should come standard with inters and wet tires as well (ie. Gr 3 cars).

All this does is stifle the online community. That's it. GT Sport was made for online so that aspect of the game should have been kept intact, now it's more or less a broken ass community with barely any rooms up. So yes, I have a problem for breaking something that wasn't broken before. If you want to grind the single player go for it, part of GT right.

Now I can't race with my friends in a specific car with specific conditions because the expectation for all of them was to grind that specific car and use credits to put some proper tires on for example. A huge step backwards for the online.

 

[SLB1904]

Game needs VRR. Get on it already, Sony.

I doesn't. Just cut the crap

 

[Mabdia]

Nothing bad for a almost 10 years old console.
Pro looks really good too.

One thing that is annoying me in this video is how the positioning of the cars are really the same... Strange.

 

[Mr Moose]

Nothing bad for a almost 10 years old console.
Pro looks really good too.

One thing that is annoying me in this video is how the positioning of the cars are really the same... Strange.

The footage here for all three consoles was captured using race replays with the gameplay camera view which runs similarly to actual gameplay.

I noticed a couple things I actually find more appealing on the ps4 versions like sun glare on cars, and the ps4 pro when set to 1080p output seems just as good as ps5 apart from resolution. The tamest cross gen difference from Sony yet.

You know it's PS5 on the left, right?

 

[Negotiator101]

I think the industry on a whole is in a state of arrested development. You have greedy execs, unambitious devs, and a complacent media all equally responsible for this sorry state we find ourselves in.

Unambitious? Elden Ring is an incredibly ambitious game, need I remind you Starfield is releasing this year as well. Granted some releases have been somewhat by the numbers this generation so far. We've had a few standout titles and we've got the best to come as soon as cross gen has been left behind.

 

[Negotiator101]

I doesn't. Just cut the crap

Yeah it's pretty much locked 60, a silly thing to say really.

 

[adamsapple]

One thing that is annoying me in this video is how the positioning of the cars are really the same... Strange.

That's cause they used the replay with the game play camera option, you can run the exact same replay on different consoles, looks like:

The footage here for all three consoles was captured using race replays with the gameplay camera view which runs similarly to actual gameplay.

 

[Killer8]

Yeah it's pretty much locked 60, a silly thing to say really.

The game has numerous single frame drops during regular gameplay and has sustained falls of up to 10fps in stressful scenarios.

Both would be perfect scenarios for VRR to smooth out and make unnoticeable, if Sony actually got off their asses and rolled it out. It's now 1.5 years after launch.

I doesn't. Just cut the crap

But obviously "massive children who are on perm notice for crying about plastic boxes" get too emotional about any criticism. It's literally only a net positive for the game, but daddy Sony has been insulted and so they must SEETHE.

 

[SLB1904]

But obviously "massive children who are on perm notice for crying about plastic boxes" get too emotional about any criticism. It's literally only a net positive for the game, but daddy Sony has been insulted and so they must SEETHE.

Be more creative, you guys are just generic at this point

 

[assurdum]

Man visually I just find this so underwhelming. This is the year 2022, I expect so much more. Ten years ago Crysis 3 released and that title can still hold its own with these 'next-generation' games; You go back ten years earlier (2001-2002) than when Crysis 3 released and there is no title that would come anywhere close visually, sheeesh.

I try to figure out what exactly is underwhelming about the graphic of the last GT, maybe the tracks? But this brand hasn't exactly an history of spectacular graphic in the tracks from my memories. And I'm not neither a great fan of the IP to be clear, but the graphic is far from underwhelming in the vehicle details especially considered his target is native 4k at 60 FPS.

 

[StateofMajora]

I think PD should be applauded for making GT7 a great experience on all consoles, but really, you are undermining the improvements found in the PS5 version, such as effects, lighting, shadows, LOD, etc., not to mention being native 4K and having RT enabled replays. It's all gravy.

It's a minimal difference and not every thing is better aesthetically. Even compared to say, sackboy, the differences are much less when comparing ps4 and 5.

It's cross gen, nothing to applaud really. They did the job they should.

I'd applaud them if gt7 ps5 version looked like a totally different game and it wasn't always online with mtx..

 

[StateofMajora]

You know it's PS5 on the left, right?

You're really trying to tell yourself that's not a small difference? Besides that, running 1080p on pro narrows the gap even further apparently.

 

[Mr Moose]

You're really trying to tell yourself that's not a small difference? Besides that, running 1080p on pro narrows the gap even further apparently.

I noticed a couple things I actually find more appealing on the ps4 versions like sun glare on cars

Aren't you the same person who said the same shit about Horizon?

 

[StateofMajora]

Aren't you the same person who said the same shit about Horizon?

Yes. You boys, I swear.

Even Horizon has a significantly bigger gap between ps4 and 5 than this though.

 

[SLB1904]

this game loading times are unreal.
you jump from race to race seamlessly.

 

[sn0man]

But grinding like crazy is nothing new for a GT series game? You had to do that in all the old games as well, with Sport being the exception in that it had no performance tuning outside of the mileage upgrades.

I honestly don't have a problem with having to buy tires but I will say that any vehicle that comes with racing tires, should come standard with inters and wet tires as well (ie. Gr 3 cars).

All this does is stifle the online community. That's it. GT Sport was made for online so that aspect of the game should have been kept intact, now it's more or less a broken ass community with barely any rooms up. So yes, I have a problem for breaking something that wasn't broken before. If you want to grind the single player go for it, part of GT right.

Now I can't race with my friends in a specific car with specific conditions because the expectation for all of them was to grind that specific car and use credits to put some proper tires on for example. A huge step backwards for the online.

They, in my opinion, also foobar'd the single player too. It requires online to do or play anything at all in the name of "online play together" and that is what hurts me personally.

Now it sounds like the online is equally as hurt by their decisions here.

I'll stand by what I've said before: the numbered GT should have focused on the car collection and modifying in an offline state. GT7 should be out now with no online. Then this fall GTS2022 should have released. Priced at an aggressive $40 or something. It would have all the online components and league stuff. Focus on some additional cars with a racing slant.

Then if folks buy both games each acts as DLC for the other. Want to race single player with a slate of cool race cars, buy GTS2022 to compliment your GT7 purchase. Want to race online with the cars you can mod in the grind, buy GT7 to compliment your GTS2022 purchase.

Frankly a GT7 now and a GTS2023 next year with a focused quality online would have worked.

Tons of ways to get $100+ from your customer base without these casino micro transaction bullshits.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

I just can't get past the framerate. I wanted to, but it's jarring going from 60 to 30. The 60fps replays look sublime with the camera movement.

I really wish devs would drop ray tracing. 60fps across the board should be the standard for next gen regardless of genre.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Time stamped. But essentially the way things are setup, you either have to grind like crazy for each car to use properly online or or spend money on credits. More or less design choices were made based on microtransactions.

is this true? you have to purchase tyre compounds per vehicle?

 

[DenchDeckard]

The game has numerous single frame drops during regular gameplay and has sustained falls of up to 10fps in stressful scenarios.

Both would be perfect scenarios for VRR to smooth out and make unnoticeable, if Sony actually got off their asses and rolled it out. It's now 1.5 years after launch.



But obviously "massive children who are on perm notice for crying about plastic boxes" get too emotional about any criticism. It's literally only a net positive for the game, but daddy Sony has been insulted and so they must SEETHE.

Prime example why the PS5 should have VRR here.

I cant believe that no one in the press is asking them, why isnt digital foundry asking them? I just don't understand it.

 

[Swift_Star]

Prime example why the PS5 should have VRR here.

I cant believe that no one in the press is asking them, why isnt digital foundry asking them? I just don't understand it.

Because most people don't care or have a tv that supports VRR. And most people also don't notice frame drops. I'm at 40h on Elden Ring and haven't noticed the frame drops. You people that are sensitive to this are a small niche group.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I really wish devs would drop ray tracing. 60fps across the board should be the standard for next gen regardless of genre.

Only if there is no option. I play it performance mode so the replays are all 60fps and look sublime with the camera shake/panning. Very realistic and convincing.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Because most people don't care or have a tv that supports VRR. And most people also don't notice frame drops. I'm at 40h on Elden Ring and haven't noticed the frame drops. You people that are sensitive to this are a small niche group.

more and more people have a tv that supports VRR with each day that passes. Sony said the ps5 would have VRR. I can't believe peeps get upset when people like myself ask for a feature that was promised in the product. I can Spot frame drops, stutter and tearing, I bought an expensive tv because Sony said the pa5 would support VRR. im Happy for You that you can't spot frame drops but I can And it's not a small niche group how can spot frame drops, you can't make those statements. Sure some people might not care but everyone would benefit and feel VRR if they had it. Soon every tv will have it so it's just a matter of time until everyone could and would benefit from it.

 

[Swift_Star]

more and more people have a tv that supports VRR with each day that passes. Sony said the ps5 would have VRR. I can't believe peeps get upset when people like myself ask for a feature that was promised in the product. I can Spot frame drops, stutter and tearing, I bought an expensive tv because Sony said the pa5 would support VRR. im Happy for You that you can't spot frame drops but I can And it's not a small niche group how can spot frame drops, you can't make those statements. Sure some people might not care but everyone would benefit and feel VRR if they had it. Soon every tv will have it so it's just a matter of time until everyone could and would benefit from it.

It is. Most people don't notice, period.

 

[ethomaz]

Stress test frame rate:

Non-stress test frame rate:

Did you delibere cut the image?

Stress

Non-Stress

There is nothing to discuss when even at Stress test the game runs 98.46% of time at 60fps.

 

[ethomaz]

Prime example why the PS5 should have VRR here.

I cant believe that no one in the press is asking them, why isnt digital foundry asking them? I just don't understand it.

The opposite.
This game definitively doesn't need VRR.

Stress

Non-Stress

You know 99.81% of time you will be at flawless 60fps in gameplay.

The game has numerous single frame drops during regular gameplay and has sustained falls of up to 10fps in stressful scenarios.

Wut?
Do you mean 0.19%? Or exactly 82 frames from 44130?

 

[onQ123]

Did you delivery cut the image?

Stress

Non-Stress

There is nothing to discuss when even at Stress test the game runs 98.46% of time at 60fps.

Needs VVVRRRRRRRR to get that other 1.54%