phosphor112
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Jan 21st.
vg247-PS4: new kits shipping now, AMD A10 used as base, final version next summer
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Jan 21st.
Actually I'm glad they didn't reveal as early as nintendo did. It really messed up the hype the wiiu had
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Im assuming thats CES? Has anyone come out and said we're getting official info then?
CES is the 8th to the 11th.
I think you should be less concerned about minor power differences and more interested in the tools the first parties get out there for developers to take advantage of their respective architectures.
If I were the worrying type, that would be what kept ME up at night.
And I wouldn't expect much info from CES, save for more rumors.
THE:MILKMAN
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I assume Jan 21st is the PlayStation meeting. Not a cert that we'll hear anything though 
Vol5
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ok so your also saying ps4 kits are last minute. not enamoured with that. i would expect sony to be on the ball this time around. not great news tbh
I'm not talking about the kits themselves, I'm talking about general developer support and software tools. I have heard zero about Orbis/PS4/whatever, so I don't know anything about it. Historically speaking, this has not been Sony's strength.
You could talk to people who developed Vita games, that should give a closer indication of what to expect from the PS4 in terms of developer tools and support. Here's one take on it.
michaelius
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Or MS being forced to use custom CPU to keep BC with X360 while Sony decided to sacrafice BC and are free to choose cheapest parts ?
iceatcs
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Maybe too early because PS3 and 360 still haven't drop sale and price yet. They will get price cut on their current models soon after the next gen announcement.
I think there will more leaks from GDC, with no/maybe official announcement from these two. Also I can see we will get more info on next gen engines and titles on this day.
Maybe it's the misconception that MS is moving away from gaming? That seems to be a common one no matter where you go.
Honestly, from everything I've read and heard from people who used to work at MS. It sounds like a great place to work for a money grubbing corporation. =p
How hard or easy hardware is to work with usually falls on how good or bad the tools are in the dev kits.
Karak
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Hmmm. Trying to divorce myself completely from my own likes and wants and coming from his side. I would say no...unless they have made a drastic almost unrealistic increase to the Kinect as I do think with super high resolution and a few other tweaks it would AUGMENT but not replace current control schemes. But that doesn't seem to be a big misconception as much as power of the system(the old gpu specs bandied around) and that both systems would be identical or close. As I said before, I had just remembered that the conversation was around differentiating the different systems and my wife's comment about all of them seem the same.
But its so far in the future who knows. Other than their overall attitude hardware is subject to change for a while more now.
That is 1 aspect he was very clear on so I don't think it was that.
He talked about it very openly. MS is 100% behind gaming and core gaming in particular and INTERNALLY they feel that the clues are out there and if people choose to disagree than that is their opinion. He had a strong point to that. Remember this is from his coworkers and such. He said that the internal thought amongst the teams he works with is that MS showed that they handled games VERY well, especially in the first couple great years, and that they were doing the exact same both internally and externally. This, due to what he does, is one thing he would know about LONG in advance. Simply due to the type of work he is in. He made it clear that some of the quotes from particular publishers about what they were working on and such point to that but...well rumors.
This is my first couple talks with him about working there. In the past it was about the 360 and its insides and how it was to work on it and all that. This time was a lot about the way of life. Not super happy with some of the other aspects of MS(higher leadership past the games dev) but man to see a person happy in their job in this environment was actually really cool. My hats off to him too because he is a weird bird and I can't believe he is still in the same job. He is a bit of drifter personally.
Oh also another thing. Internally, at least those he works with often, think that Mattrick(spelling) is the best thing to happen to the gaming groups in years and though he may appear like a car salesman the dude has the chops to get things done internally. He pointed me to a couple papers Mattrick(spelling again) wrote and statements he has made and there was a lot of happiness there.
bigtroyjon
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Never really understood why Mattrick gets a bad rap around here on GAF. He's one of the few gaming execs that actually got his position because of gaming. I guess his lack of corporate polish makes him a bit awkward during E3 but I'd rather have that than a marketing/business exec running the show like Kaz, Tretton, or Reggie.
Not expecting PS4 info at the meeting at all. My guesses are Last of Us MP, Beyond, Puppeteer, etc
I see what you mean. Hmm hopefully they have taken the necessary steps to avoid any major problems at launch.
I'm hoping they step it up in the tools department as well. Vita's seem a lot better and the PS3's improved a lot so finger's crossed. If they're also working closely with off the shelf AMD parts then a lot of their tools and documentation can carry over.
phosphor112
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No, it's my birthday =D. I'm just hoping megatons will drop just for meeeee.
ahahhahaah
this is nothing
nintendo REVEALED their new console at e3 2011 and said absolutely nothing until e3 2012
legend has it the embargo is still up
It's also my dad's birthday and he loves shattering dreams so...
bigtroyjon
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lol, you just started a PS Meeting rumor. Alert the gaming press!
phosphor112
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Slowtaku wont cover it until next month.
CES is Jan 8-11. Its doubtful there will be any official stuff. It is however a bunch of high up industry types meeting with the press. The alcohol will be flowing and we only need the right guy to accidentally slip up and we get some more stuff to hold us over.
Its much more probable that we would get something official at GDC in march. Some kind of tease or the start of a viral marketing to lead up to E3 or a pre E3 announcement.
phosphor112
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We'll get plenty of leaks by GDC.
That's kind of concerning.
Cool thanks for the update dude. =)
I obviously don't know about how well he performs his role in the company, but as a PR figure, I think he's horrible.
Hearing this makes me wonder if the guy in this pastebin post that I saw a while ago actually knew what he was talking about. At least somewhat.
gundamkyoukai
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Are Sony really that behind that you have not heard any info really about PS4.
That seem so unbelievable so either they must be really rushing or they going to end up launching in 2014.
Sony has not been the best at keeping secrets so it kind of weird not getting any info.
For Vita they used off the shelf parts and we had info on specs for a good while before hand.
Yep , it's like they have no idea what they want to do IMO.
Or just playing catch up after all this while , they had to have a idea that MS would launch in 2013.
Seems very short sighted .
Melchiah
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I remember an interview, which I think was made after the E3 2010/2011 presentations, where he was asked about things regarding their competitors, and he gave this extremely annoying and awkward expression several times, without really answering any of the questions. Unfortunately, I couldn't find the video.
Also this.
http://youtu.be/7D0_Cj1xxDo
It makes him seem real to me.
Yeah maybe really baked, by the grin he always has. =P
Still can't wait for E3 though, even if I have to see him on stage again. >=p
Lol @ ending
You can't wait to see the future of gaming, and it all starts right here right now with next box....
So what you're saying is that he needs to come on stage with a toque, and slowly take it off to reveal the release date of Halo 2 Anniversary tattooed on his now shaved head. :3
Everything I've heard has pushed IBM completely out of next-gen, unless you consider the wii U part of that.
Is everything AMD, or is there some longshot that Intel might be involved?
Yeah I noticed the 4GB of RAM as well, compared to the 8GB that's supposedly in the 720. I just brought it up because it mentioned the custom AMD GPU, which is similar to what you heard.
Karak
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He is indeed awkward and it comes across, unlike others, as an awkwardness that seems a bit like a corporate man with no clue. Instead, for all intents and purposes, he has more of a clue than many other corporate speakers, he just can't get it out well.
Internally though, where it sort of matters, people seem to consider him a very a game centric leader. As you said that is indeed his history and its a better history than even I understood until I read up on him. Personally I like him much more than most of the other talkers, but still not that much. I respect his desire for success and games MUCH more now. He is sort of the guy that the others pretend to be. While they are better at speaking. In the end I care what I get, not how it is told to me. Other people's mileage may vary on that.
@Kage,
No problem. I admit I bounced a couple things off of him that I had seen you post in the past. Much of it he either couldn't answer or wouldn't, but it gave us some talking points. Or what I like to call nod and smile points
seattle6418
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Maybe the misconception Karak's friend is talking is about the amount of memory reserved for the OS. Many people believe it will be 2gb or something like that, and what he might be trying to say is that it's not that much.
James Sawyer Ford
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I don't really see how a chip from AMD would somehow be more innovative than the products they are already bringing to the market.
Remember that Xenos and its unified shader architecture was already being released alongside other consumer products at the time.
shinra-bansho
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I don't get "awkward" from Mattrick. I get "smarmy." Tretton is bumbling and awkward. Reggie come across as a loudmouth. They're all awful in different ways.
I get goofy Canadian from Don. We're not suave like everyone else. He's spent a lifetime worrying if he's offended anyone, that is when he's not watching hockey, drinking beer, eating donuts, or just popping by the doctors office cause it's free...or stealing maple syrup.
There have been a lot of rumors about PS4, including the one that spawned this thread. We "know" just as much if not more than we did about the Vita before its announcement.
The 360 released about 19 months before ATi's first commercially available GPU with a unified shader-based architecture, and they brought it out well before Nvidia did.
wow, that far in advance huh? I didn't think much of it back then but looking back that's kind of crazy.
Since I am interested in the history of the Xbox one, I figured Id just give a short time line for its development, especially as it is an "off-the-shelf" style console (not really true, but its closer to what we'll see this generation, I think.)
July/August of 2000 is when Alpha kits were starting to get out there.These were upgraded to Alpha II kits, but were beginning to be phased out by April of 2001 or so, with the final software update coming in May of 2001, where it finally resembled what would start shipping with the later kits.
Beta kits began shipping then, and had updated software available through August of 2001. B
Around this time is when final hardware began to ship out, just a few months before the launch of the Xbox.
It's not an exact science, especially since most of my information comes from third parties, and don't really take into consideration any advantages the first party companies may have had.
But if alpha kits are out there now, then everything seems to be following along as it should.
July/August of 2000 is when Alpha kits were starting to get out there.These were upgraded to Alpha II kits, but were beginning to be phased out by April of 2001 or so, with the final software update coming in May of 2001, where it finally resembled what would start shipping with the later kits.
Beta kits began shipping then, and had updated software available through August of 2001. B
Around this time is when final hardware began to ship out, just a few months before the launch of the Xbox.
It's not an exact science, especially since most of my information comes from third parties, and don't really take into consideration any advantages the first party companies may have had.
But if alpha kits are out there now, then everything seems to be following along as it should.
gundamkyoukai
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I won't say that .
For Vita we knew the Ram , CPU and GPU for a good while before it came out .
Unless i mixing up the time frame .
PS4 we hardly know anything even the dev kit info not certain .
Yeah, the Vita leaked incredible early.
Eurogamer listed the exact GPU some 2½ years before the Vita was released. The only thing left unknown until late in the day was the RAM, with rumours flip-flopping between 265 and 512MB.
Eurogamer listed the exact GPU some 2½ years before the Vita was released. The only thing left unknown until late in the day was the RAM, with rumours flip-flopping between 265 and 512MB.
i just hope both consoles are cheaper this time around but yet very powerful because i cannot go without the exclusives of both consoles...and when new consoles come out..there are usually a few exclusives on xbox and PS that land up making my jaw drop to the floor in terms of visuals and great gameplay with a few titles...it really sucks having to buy two new consoles for their exclusives but i will do it regardless like i always do because i know both will have some stunning 1st/2nd party titles that i will not be able to resist....this is coming from a 38 year old lol
I am no fanboy..i grew out of that many moons ago..i am just so ready for the new consoles now..although there are a few exclusives coming to current consoles in 2013 that look damn impressive, ps3 has a few that look stunning that are slated for 2013, xbox has 1 or two i believe...dev's really are starting to push the hardware for every last drop of graphical power...its kinda cool to see the software tricks they do to emulate dx11 effects or just effects these consoles were not designed to really do...you see this happen at the end of just about every console's life cycle... exciting times right now..i love this time because we are getting the best of what can be done on current hardware, PC games getting a bit of more tweak-able graphical options with the console to pc ports which really put a huge gap between games that are on both consoles and pc's and plus we are close to the next gen consoles...lovely time for gaming right now..it'll be even better once these new consoles launch.
I am fairly sure both MS and Sony will make sure these next gen consoles are a bit more affordable this time around considering that the worlds economy is still unstable and recovering..so they are going to have to imho.
I am no fanboy..i grew out of that many moons ago..i am just so ready for the new consoles now..although there are a few exclusives coming to current consoles in 2013 that look damn impressive, ps3 has a few that look stunning that are slated for 2013, xbox has 1 or two i believe...dev's really are starting to push the hardware for every last drop of graphical power...its kinda cool to see the software tricks they do to emulate dx11 effects or just effects these consoles were not designed to really do...you see this happen at the end of just about every console's life cycle... exciting times right now..i love this time because we are getting the best of what can be done on current hardware, PC games getting a bit of more tweak-able graphical options with the console to pc ports which really put a huge gap between games that are on both consoles and pc's and plus we are close to the next gen consoles...lovely time for gaming right now..it'll be even better once these new consoles launch.
I am fairly sure both MS and Sony will make sure these next gen consoles are a bit more affordable this time around considering that the worlds economy is still unstable and recovering..so they are going to have to imho.