Interfectum
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Gabebox is the new Wii60.
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VGLeaks: Durango GPU detailed
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Gabebox is the new Wii60.
Yes - bigger screen, faster processor, faster radio etc.
Not really no. Flops wise it was equal to the high end parts but design wise, it was ahead.
Agent Ironside
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I would say the majority would be there because its the next new thing.
Reckless Onion
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Didn't know that, interesting.
"New" and "Better" is all they know.
Death Dealer
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I think Orbis will have a larger advantage over Durango than X360 had over PS3. I think X360 had a minor advantage on multiplatform games.
PS4 should have a noteworthy advantage over Next Xbox. The gap in GPU power seems considerably wider than RSX vs Xenos.
Yet for some reason you believe the guy in the Bugatti is going to be surprised by the power of the Corvette great logic/analogy you have there.....
1st Course
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No, it even had what considered to be a "cross generation" GPU back then.
Weird because I remember the GPU was pretty cheap to manufacture? Durango GPU must be dirt cheap in that case.
By Gabebox you mean any PC, Mac or Linux box that runs Big Picture Mode?
Baconsammy
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iPad Mini -smaller screen, slower processor, worse screen resolution. Long lines. People wait in line for new Apple products because they're new Apple products.
Does it only apply to phones? What about televisions? What about handheld consoles?
nelsonroyale
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The fact that all the textures looked pretty high res, already differentiates it form this gen I reckon.
Reckless Onion
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Is the gap big enough to have orbis run miltiplats at 60fps? That would seal the deal immediately for me
No. The iPhone isn't "new". It can never be the "new thing" again. It can be the better thing - but never again the new thing.
And what will stop devs from going sub-HD if 720p is something common next gen? prepare to also see sub-HD titles as well...devs will probably try to improve the IQ by adding something like 4MSAA+FXAA for example to get rid of the jaggies and call it a (next gen?) day.
If the rumors are true both next gen systems sound disappointing tech wise especially if you consider that they'll come out after an 8 year console cycle, let's hope this E3 will be filled with A LOT of cool looking games to get things exciting.
PLASTICA-MAN
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Can anyone confirm whether the Durangoo will feature Illumiroom included in the box or you have to buy it separately?
Yup. The gimped GPU is further evidence that the New Xbox will come with Kinect 2.0. They probably sacrificed on the GPU to be able to afford to bundle Kinect 2.0. In the end, it's probably the better decision. Slightly worse graphics is probably not going to hurt them much (they could just do 720p games to get the same effects and framerate as the PS4 and most people won't notice the difference).
Trojan horsing Kinect into 50+ million homes is worth it for Microsoft. With that, they can hook people to the Kinect experience and maybe win the Wii audience that won't go to the Wii U now that it's gone back to a gamepad. I don't think the Wii audience will go to PS4 for Move 2.0 since they didn't care about Move 1.0 due to it seeming too much like the Wii they already have. The Kinect 2.0 will offer an experience that is new to most people and should have a lot wider appeal than the Move 2.0 experience that will just feel like the Wii again.
Is the gap big enough to have orbis run miltiplats at 60fps? That would seal the deal immediately for me
It all depends on how much monies MS is willing to spend on multiplats
Also... PC is tah Winnar!! ;0
Agent Ironside
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Well that's kind of what I meant anyways. It's the new "iPhone". There.
The point stands. The mass is not there because it has a faster this, or a bigger that. They're there because it's the new iPhone.
It's not worth the money certainly but the Mini's form factor is on point.
tinfoilhatman
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It better have something good(beyond Kinect 2) in the box and come in around 300$ or I'm passing
Baconsammy
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Mini is the bestPad.
Then it better be Minority Report-esque. No more of that inaccurate hovering crapola.
90TilInfinity
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Not to mention they'll have been working on it for at least an additional 15 months before it drops...
Is the gap big enough to have orbis run miltiplats at 60fps? That would seal the deal immediately for me
I would be very surprised if that happened. Even if it was a technical possibility.
LowEndTorque
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If the specs we've been hearing are accurate, it looks like next gen will be a battle between Sony 1st party exclusives vs. Microsoft's new innovation/gimmick and non-gaming features and apps.
Should be interesting. I'll bet that MS's insane marketing will result in a gazillion sales to casuals and Sony will do well with the more "hardcore" gamers. I think both platforms will do pretty well actually, albeit to different audiences.
Should be interesting. I'll bet that MS's insane marketing will result in a gazillion sales to casuals and Sony will do well with the more "hardcore" gamers. I think both platforms will do pretty well actually, albeit to different audiences.
SuicideUZI
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so what PC GPU is it comparable to?
No. They are there because they are told it is better. If Apple said - "We're re-releasing the exact same phone you have now!" I doubt everyone would buy the EXACT same device.
They buy because PR says "its better, buy it!".
Kill Your Masters
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Damn it, I'll just wait a year to see how the 3rd party situation pans out, I was pretty sure I'll get the new Xbox first but now it's open game for me.
Parity is to be expected for the first year or maybe two but if devs can tap more power without hassle, they definitely will.
Parity is to be expected for the first year or maybe two but if devs can tap more power without hassle, they definitely will.
Uno Venova
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Since being faster is always a huge bulletpoint of a new iphone, I think it plays a factor, so does that one big feature they play up every time. Being new cannot be the only reason so many people pay that amount of money.
phosphor112
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Hey guys, can we stop comparing games with gifs, youtube vids and pictures? Yeah, I'd like to talk about the GPU. Thanks. ;]
SneakyStephan
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Nice hyperbole and misinterpreting.
It's more like anyone who bought a new car in the last several years is driving a golf GT or better.
Lots of people have an elise or anything in between and a few people own a bugatti.
And sony/ms decided to release a golf gti and a golf gt respectively 2 years later, on the assumption that everyone who has been stuck driving a Lada for the past 8 years will be thrilled to get rid of it and upgrade.
Anyone who points to the wide breadth of sedans and sportscars available filling the space between a golf gti and a bugatti gets called a fanboy or a 'master racer' (heh get it, cars)
It would be nice to be able to discuss things in shades of grey and with some sense of perspective instead of in black and white hyperbole.
Blueandigo
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So I guess the rumours are true then. M$ will probably drop the price on this thing at a faster rate than they did the 360 this gen.
You'd better hope Squeenix built some magic tools for that engine, they have trouble finishing PS3(60) games, that level of fidelity might take them decades for bigger scope games.
Given Apple's track record over the past decade, they wouldnt be wrong in assuming that as well.
Smaller screen = Portable form factor
Worse resolution = Compared to what? iPad mini is the first mini .. iPad.
You got the last line correct though.
This is what's so puzzling for me. MS has vastly more money than Sony and is known for producing powerhouse systems now, so wtf is this? Sony didn't exactly do that well with PS3 and hasn't been pulling in the money they need, so now they produce a more expensive and superior system?
All of this is messed up, imo.
I mean, I don't really mind as I will get both systems at launch, but it doesn't stop me from wondering what the plan is here with MS. They don't let themselves get bested so easily, so I believe at least something must be brewing.
But if it is a huge Kinect 2.0 push and motion sensing crap, I am just not interested. I want great looking games on a classic controller. Add all the little cool touch screen stuff you want to the controller like Sony is doing, but don't force motion control shit on me, please.
Kinect 2.0
They need a killer lineup of Kinect games. Dance Central is a winning franchise and the best Kinect seller right now but it's not enough to push an entirely new console. They need different types of games for Kinect to sell the New Xbox. If Microsoft is smart, they should've put a dozen teams on new game mechanic concepts for Kinect 2.0 since the day they started selling Kinect 1.0.
How does every other car company sell vs. Ferrari?
Better value for money, unique features etc.
Depending on their respective pricepoints:
1) MS is betting that people don't need that extra bit of performance, don't want to pay the premium, don't value the price difference
2) MS is convinced their unique total proposition is worth it for the general consumer (if they can include Kinect in every box it is added value for the consumer, perhaps more than slightly better (in their eyes) graphics)
3) a combination of 1 and 2.
Kill Your Masters
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I expect MS to up their 1st party output significantly if they want to compete.
Horse power does not guarantee a win/loss.
TheGreyHulk
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not at all the 360's GPU was actually well ahead of it's time. there was not retail comparison for the gpu. it was custom and the first gpu with a unified shader architecture.
we didn't get a unified shader architecture on desktops until the HD 2900 XT dropped in May 2007, a full 18 months after the 360 released and the HD 2900 XT was ATI's 2nd generation unified architecture with the 360's Xenos being the 1st gen for them.
It really was well ahead of it's time with it's unified shader architecture, edram, tesselation unit.
They fucking better, because after Halo 4's new direction I feel no brand loyalty anymore.
Microsoft as a company has way more money but that doesn't all go to the gaming division. The future of the entirety of Sony rides on the PS4. Sony had to make sure they invested in the PS4 hardware accordingly to appeal to the core, where their customers tend to lie, whereas Microsoft is looking to add in Kinect and go for a mass market product. Microsoft didn't cheap out, I expect Kinect 2 to blow some minds. Kinect is an integral part of the Durango hardware and we have yet to see what it can do.
dragonelite
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The Ps4 has the GPU in the pocket.
Memory don't how that will end have to see when next gen ends.
Cpu we dont know yet ps4 so is rumored to have jaguar and next xbox i believe vgleaks said x86 cpu(?) so could be modified version of jaguar or it could be the same as ps4.
Then what other custom hardware is there on durango maybe a dsp chip for audio or something else, or completely nothing.
Too soon to tell and people would be stupid to preorder on basis from these leaks.
Im gonna wait for E3 1.4Tflops sounds a bit to weak for me even my goddam laptop has more processing power and i7 to boot.
So i hope the games will impress at E3 for both platform or else i will upgrade my desktop completely this year.
brain_stew
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Orbis is far and away the most conservative console design in Sony's history. While I like the balance they were able to achieve and I think it's great that they developed a developer centric system, there's nothing bleeding edge about the design. Orbis is at bestbest the lower end of what I'd actually class as a true generational leap forward.
Durango isn't low end compared to Orbis,its just low end full stop. Are people really satisfied that the baseline for next generation development is going to be outclassed by integrated graphics solutions within 2 (at most 3) years of launch. Is that really how far we've fallen?