Karak
Member
Ouch ok. I will check it out. I don't usually check out edge but probably should.
VGLeaks: Durango GPU detailed
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Ouch ok. I will check it out. I don't usually check out edge but probably should.
shinra-bansho
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That's reference to Durango. We don't know how much of Orbis is used for OS afaik.
Because the architecture between PS3 and 360 was so different. It was an apples to oranges comparison. That's not really the case this time around.
Ah, that's where I remember his name from.
Deuterium
Member
It ceased being a thread discussing leaked information a long time ago, when a significant number of people here are treating the information as confirmed facts, and making all sorts of hyperbolic claims based upon this pretense.
Any posters which are careful to acknowledge the unsubstantiated nature of the "leaked" specifications, before making comparisons and extrapolations, are few and far between.
That's right,but it would seem to be less by that article.
Uno Venova
Banned
I haven't seen anyone other than normal posters speculate that.
And aren't those usually deals? And not devs deciding not to deal with one over the other because of a gap in sales.
Treating it as confirmed because the site has such a great track record.
And even knowing what we know... And not fully paying attention to Durango's specs we could also possibly be wrong again.
I've been reading pages upon pages arguing about these specs and which is stronger and I could not agree with this sentiment even more. I want to see how each OS has evolved, how similar to what we have now. Hell a big part of me is just excited to see what each of these systems look like physically. It is always excited to see what a new console looks like.
JohnnySasaki86
Member
So why were some saying it was 6 usable cores for Orbis too?(it was proelite who said 6 in the new Wii U GPU thread. Is that why he was banned?)
Karak
Member
Always
Very interesting.Regardless I will most likely get them both and I am also really interested in the extra's. We are passed a Wii situation here by so far that I am stoked to just see the games and what they do. Reading some of the patents for various game ideas is insane.
JohnnySasaki86
Member
It still doesn't change the fact it IS apple to apples now. No two consoles have ever been so similar. Same CPU, same GPU tech and architecture. Litterally 1 flop on the Durango is equal to 1 flop on Orbis. You can compare them. The only difference so far that we know of, is the 410 gflop 4CU's in Orbis which does lend its design to be much more efficient when it comes to compute tasks.
TheRagnCajun
Member
I don't buy into the reactionary theories that circulate every gen. As if the engineers are sitting on their hands, while Kaz surfs the internet looking for leaked specs of his competitors.
I'm sure all parties involved are doing exactly what they intended to do.
I'm sure all parties involved are doing exactly what they intended to do.
I believe I remember some talk about them both dropping a core or two due to yield issues or something.
These are the specs of the GPU. lherre pretty much confirmed it.
Yeah, it was just people making predictions; simply stating that the one that isn't more powerful will possible be cheaper in price.
Nothing crazy/far-fetched.
Yes, some are deals. Other times it can be sales (as somewhat evident with the Wii U).
Online features and services can also mean more than they ever did before as well, especially in terms of digital download games. We may see some games having certain features over other console versions or even certain digital download games coming out on one console before the other.
I definitely feel that online is going to play a huge role next gen.
hastethedav
Member
So will these next gen consoles be comparable to current PC's? (sorry if this has been answered, I am still making my way through all the pages of this thread)
Just wondering because every exclusive IP reveal tends to bring out people saying they'd love to see the what the developers could do with PC's and less restraint from old hardware.
I am just excited to see what Sony and MS are bringing to the table, I feel like ill be getting a PS4 to play games, and a 720 later down the road if MS tends to stay more entertainment focused
Just wondering because every exclusive IP reveal tends to bring out people saying they'd love to see the what the developers could do with PC's and less restraint from old hardware.
I am just excited to see what Sony and MS are bringing to the table, I feel like ill be getting a PS4 to play games, and a 720 later down the road if MS tends to stay more entertainment focused
No one really knows for sure about the CPU situation for either console in terms of cores available for games. I've heard that Durango uses one core for the OS and another is locked out for yield reasons. It sounds like Microsoft did some extra customizations to the CPU so yields may be an issue. I haven't heard anything about the cores for Orbis. I'm sure they're also aiming at one core for OS/security but I don't know if they have another core locked for yield reasons.
gamergirly
Member
It sounds childish when you put it like that
I think there was talk by posters about it needing a core for security and one might be disabled.
Karak
Member
Are we getting this mixed up with the OS requirement rumor? Or is it the wafer yields or both?
I come and go in these threads, so I may have gotten some crap crossed.
Karak
Member
So far it has been-
OS requirements from 1-2
Yield issues from 1-2
Security from 1-2.
Durango will now have 1 CPU left over for gaming
Kidding. And security had a somewhat valid rumor that it was an Arm chip.
Well MS didn't change their specs so...
JohnnySasaki86
Member
They'll never be comparable to PC's. In consoles theres no OS overhead, devs don't have to program for multiple levels of hardware, they can code to the metal, its a close environment. I truely believe at the end of Orbis's lifecycle with the 4th gen games, you will see it doing things that a gtx690 or whatever wouldn't be able to accomplish, even though it has more than twice the flops of Orbis' GPU.
Look at TLOU or GoW:A or Beyond: Two Souls. Would those level of visuals been possible on a 8800gtx from 2006 or whatever the top top of the line GPU from 2006 was(i think it was a 8800gtx)? Or even 2007?
edit: I do realize that PS3 did have Cell which was crazy powerful for its time and it was able to aid RSX to accomplish a lot of these things, but you get my point.
Quick/poor choice of words. I mean to say trying to fully understand the specifications we have been given for each. It has been a long day.
Karak
Member
...its on this page...
It's almost midnight, I must be tired, because I'm not seeing it.
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
More like Durango specs in line with what most people expected.
Some people are disappointed because there doesn't appear to be any significant special sauce as speculated previously, and there's a good possibility at this point that Durango will have a non-insignificant power deficit compared to Orbis.
JohnnySasaki86
Member
I haven't been up to date with the thread for the past few hours. But it mainly confirmed what we know. Main thing was 16 ROPs for Durango, which is half what Orbis has. I don't know if people knew this before or not. Also the vertex and triangle rates are the same for both GPUs(it was suggested before that Durango had an advantage here).
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
I suppose this is a bit surprising.
Shouldn't vertex/triangle rates scale fairly well with TFLOP performance, or am I wrong in thinking this?
If you havent noticed it already but thats his schtick. He comes into these threads (rumors/leaks) and then craps all over the discussion saying it's all BS and then leaves. Thats all he does. My last conversation ended with him saying he literally needed to hear the specs of the consoles from MS/Sony (which is fair) but why always crap on these threads? I tried to argue that VGLeaks were confirmed to be accurate hence these threads warrant so much discussion but it's not enough for him. Just let him be, he'll either get tired or he'll get called out more often.
I think pricing will be the same. MS will likely bundle Kinect. The only thing that may give Microsoft a pricing edge is if they subsidize right out of the gate.
I think MS went with a lower powered GPU on purpose to offload other tasks which would eat at the bandwidth to specialized silicon.
So something is definitely up.
Sony just went straightforward with an additional quirk for power.
That's looking extremely unlikely at this point.
I seriously doubt MS gimped their console to run Epic, Crytek, and DICE's engines at sub optimal levels. But we'll see.
BruiserBear
Banned
So weaker specs are a positive?
Really would love if MS released a Non Kinect SKU but I do not see it happening. I have the feeling MS doesn't want that sort of fragmentation from the start and I'd bet Kinect will be pushed hard next gen.
Unless MS has gone batshit insane I would assume so.
I think Microsoft wants to try to get Kinect to appeal to the core as well as the casual audience. We don't know what Kinect 2 can do yet. If it can do stuff like head tracking, in depth voice recognition, and other things it was originally supposed to do it could be a really cool addition to core games.
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
We don't really see that in any of the leaks though. Both systems have special silicon chips that are dedicated for certain functions (example: video encoders, audio dsps, etc), which should help out, but they are not game changers.
I'm not saying Microsoft "gimped" Durango; it's a powerful console, but it's just less powerful than what Orbis appears to be, by a decent margin.
Deuterium
Member
Come on, Artist...that isn't quite fair. While I have qualified these unconfirmed, unofficial reports as "bullshit", I have always been respectful, especially to the forum members here. At least, I hope I have.
And again, I have no problem with healthy speculation, even when it is based upon rumors and unofficial "leaks". However, there are quite a few people who are trashing one system over another, and even going so far as declaring "war won" or "war lost", based upon this information.
I was hoping to interject a bit of sanity and reason...or at the very least, a bit of healthy skepticism to go along with the more than healthy (rampant) speculation.
Yup, I also believe it will play a key role in OS functions. Which in my uneducated guess will be why they try and justify its inclusion in every SKU sold.
BruceWayneIII
Member
Care to elaborate on that?
Uno Venova
Banned
People would be doing this if the specs were 100% confirmed so I don't see a bug difference with doing the same over rumors from a site that has been reliable in the past.
You just have to imagine the fire.
professor_t
Member
I was away for a bit . . .
Wow, DOTA 2 almost triples the next most popular game.
I think the misperception about PCs primarily being the home of console ports stems from the fact that:
a) the PC exclusives that dominate this list generally are not visual spectacles
and
b) GAF likes to talk about visual spectacles, especially when it comes to PC-console comparisons.