Oh yeah, I heard about them muscling in on the lime market. Guess they'll do whatever they can to make up for their losses.
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VICE: Legal pot in U.S. is hurting Mexican drug cartels.
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Oh yeah, I heard about them muscling in on the lime market. Guess they'll do whatever they can to make up for their losses.
Frankenstrat
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James Capra can fuck off.
PHOENIXZERO
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Yeah, no surprise here but as stated, it's in the DEA's best interest that the black market remains. History repeats, blah blah blah.
Thursday War
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Devolution
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There's more than just pot out there.
Pai Pai Master
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Ah yes...forgot pot was the only drug ever....
GungHo
Single-handedly caused Exxon-Mobil to sue FOX, start World War 3
Not for potheads. They see that one thing as their magical mystery tour. They haven't figured out that just because the weed gets a nod that it doesn't mean that they're free to sherm that shit.
Fenderputty
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Which should be legalized too.
Avocado too.
Legalizing marijuana is fine because it actually is a harmless drug. Cocaine, no so much.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
Ha-ha so fun-knee
Oh well.
Alcohol is far from being a harmless drug. Should it be criminalized?
Massive Duck. C.M.
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The DEA and CIA need to compare notes again
Devolution
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Not so much arguing about legalization of anything so much as someone has to deal with all the Meth labs.
Nice, that's not bad at all. More or less what I'm accustomed to. I'm also pretty sure that vending bud would be better than what I could get for that amount and price where I live.
A fan coke legalization too.
True, but is the demand there to keep cartels rolling in it without their main cash crop?
Just because one thing that's bad for you gets a pass (because it's so deeply ingrained in every society since society itself was invented) we should open the door for everything that's bad?
This is a pretty terrible article.
The Vice author is misrepresenting the Washington Post article, which states that the pot prices in Sinaloa have been in decline for 5 years. The stores in Colorado have been open for less than 6 months. It's not hard to figure out that the decline should not be solely attributed to legalization The WP article later states that part of the reason for the increase in supply in the US is that cartels are operating illegal pot farms in California rather than in Mexico.
The Vice article goes on to suggest that the DEA is unhappy about the decrease in Mexican pot prices because they want to protect the Sinaloa cartel's profits. However the main point of the Washington Post article is that the cartels have switched to growing poppies and producing heroin in Mexico instead because it is more profitable, and that heroin exports from Mexico to the US are replacing pot. Further, the WP article states that Sinaloa controls 50% of the total heroin trade, which suggests that they may actually be making more money under the new system.
The Vice author is misrepresenting the Washington Post article, which states that the pot prices in Sinaloa have been in decline for 5 years. The stores in Colorado have been open for less than 6 months. It's not hard to figure out that the decline should not be solely attributed to legalization The WP article later states that part of the reason for the increase in supply in the US is that cartels are operating illegal pot farms in California rather than in Mexico.
The Vice article goes on to suggest that the DEA is unhappy about the decrease in Mexican pot prices because they want to protect the Sinaloa cartel's profits. However the main point of the Washington Post article is that the cartels have switched to growing poppies and producing heroin in Mexico instead because it is more profitable, and that heroin exports from Mexico to the US are replacing pot. Further, the WP article states that Sinaloa controls 50% of the total heroin trade, which suggests that they may actually be making more money under the new system.
what I was going to say.
Legalizing doesn't mean drugs for everyone, it never should. All the stuff that applies to alcohol, tobacco and now marihuana should apply to other drugs as well. Age limits, driving limitations, production control and taxing, public health campaigns etc, etc, etc.
Decriminalization is not legalization. We need to turn all substance abuse polices to health care and away from prisons.
SuperAndroid17
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These fuckers are controlling the lime production now
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Yeah there's not a good solution. I hate when people pretend like disrupting the pot industry is going to lead to organized crime magically putting down their arms. They'll break into another industry. That said I don't think our drug policy towards marijuana was effective either.
Yeah, this. There's not a single trustworthy person in government; it's all a fucking sham to serve their own best interests and not those of the people.
Sure, I completely agree. But you'll see that I was responding to people calling for legalization of harmful drugs like cocaine. No one in this thread has said anything about decriminalizing the use of drugs until just now.
We generally don't criminalize things that are unhealthy for you, drugs are the exception in our society (and a rather arbitrary one at that).
The war on drugs, any drugs, doesn't make sense.
Why is one an exception? Why can you justify turning users of one into criminals but not users of another?
Fenderputty
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So continue the same policy with poor results. The war on drugs has done nothing to curb usage rates or the violence surrounding drugs. Portugal on the other hand ...
But yeah ... You're right. We should just keep banging our head against the same wall hoping for a different result each time.
I never said I was against decriminalization.
Fenderputty
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The only difference is that one causes a black market and violence while the other does not.
http://www.breakingthetaboo.info/view_documentary.htm
I find it worse when people toss out uninformed speculation as an argument against the only possible answer to the current socially omnipotent blood letter that is drug enforcement policy. We need to do what is right for the greater good and still focus on the criminal elements left behind. Sitting on our thumbs and allowing them single handily dictate drug policy for everyone because we can't 'stir the hive' does nothing but compound the problem.
Satch Fuji
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Whether or not you like Joe Rogan, he did do an excellent podcast with Dr. Carl Hurt, a psychology professor at Columbia who specializes in researching the effect of drugs. Turns out that commonly held beliefs, like one hit from a crack pipe makes you an addict or the way drug addicts are shown in media, are myths. For example, people act as if quitting hard drugs, including cigarettes, is almost impossible without months and months of detox. His research showed that the symptoms from drug abstinence after prolonged use were almost exactly like having the flu; it's shitty for a week but then your fine. Your best bet is to take a week off work and have a buddy help you out or counseling. Marijuana may not be that bad though there is still more to research, but you will still have withdrawal symptoms if your a chronic user and then quit.
Remember when Rush Limbaugh was caught with bottles and bottles of Oxycontin? While we were having fun labeling him a hypocrite, nobody really took the time to realize that he was 100% a drug addict for years yet at the same time hosted a multi-million dollar radio business. There are far more of these functional addicts than the decrepit addicts we see on TV.
So if drugs are not the root cause of problems but merely a symptom, what's the problem? Stop me if you've heard this one: high unemployment, reductions in mental health funding, the prison industrial complex. And don't forget the Donald Serlings of the world - it pays to be bigoted in housing. Anecdotally everyone has their story about a friend or relative consumed by drugs. But don't blame it solely on the drugs, there are likely underlying problems that led to them taking the drugs in the first place. That drug you blame may be the same that gave him those hours of relief from his debilitating circumstances and depressed mind.
What? Sure we do. All the time. Seat belt laws, anyone? Cigarette regulations. New York soda tax, etc etc
Fenderputty
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Seat belt was the only one made illegal. He did use the word generally as well. The rest you brought up were regulations.
I'm curious about what you think seperates decriminalization from legalization. Why for one and not the other.
Regulation and taxation are not criminalization, and seatbelt laws?
Really?
You want to have this discussion on that pedantic of a level?
The undeniable fact is that there are shit ton of unhealthy things that are 100% legal to consume, from cheeseburgers through sodas and snacks to alcohol.
Drugs, which again, is a rather arbitrary classification, are the exception to the rule, and their criminalization achieved no positive results for society.
They make self-righteous moralizers feel good about themselves and superior to others
No sense punishing the users, who are the victims of addiction, which discourages them reaching out for help. But it's not okay to be the one pushing harmful and addictive drugs onto others. The War on Drugs hasn't been working, and we need to rethink a lot of it. A lot. But saying "fuck it, whatever" and allowing everything and anything isn't going to make people get addicted to drugs less.
elrechazado
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As opposed to their current pacifist business model...
elrechazado
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2 of the 3 you quoted are not "criminalized", and seatbelt laws are non criminal traffic offenses. Try again?
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