Vincent Alexander
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Obviously. Which is why this thread is still going on . . .
Video shows FSU QB throwing a punch at a woman at a bar
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So let me get this straight: you're saying that if someone comes from a terrible background or is just plain stupid they should be permitted to forgo rational thought when confronted with adversity?
Because the belief isn't reasonable. He's a college athlete (and a football player at that) and she's a drunk girl.
Sincere question, could what she was doing be considered assault or battery? If so, might that not actually mitigate his legal burden?
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
That goes both ways.
Because you have yet to identify what "proportional" force is in this instance, and I don't have faith that you will find suitable metrics that will convince me. It seems we won't agree since we have different interpretations of the term proportional force.
Florida law requires a reasonable and proportional use of force when defending one's self. He was not reasonable in believing the level of force used against him required the level of force he responded with.
Are you being intentionally obtuse or is this just how you roll? You have a basketball avatar, would it be sexist of me to say that she won't be winning a 1 on 1 against a collegiate athlete based on her airballing a free throw granny style? Because that's what we're talking about here.
Sho_Nuff82
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He grabbed her because she raised a fist, which is a threatening gesture.
The prosecution is going to have to convince a jury that this helpless lass who then wrestled free in order to successfully land her originally planned blow, was a victim of a vicious assault.
She threatening to punch him when he grabs her wrist. She literally aiming her fist at him.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
He grabs her after she says words. Just to play along, if I were a betting man, I'd bet she was saying something along the lines of "Stop rubbing/pushing against me". Instead of that he grabs her and pushes her back, she only punches after this. He should have found another place at the bar.
Interesting insight you have on some of the other poster's upbringings, do tell, where you got such information?
I've been sucker punched before as well and I couldn't recall a single coherent thought until shortly after the fight was over. That's how that usually goes, but some posters here would have you believe the guy stalked off to brood and then came back and unleashed his wrath on her for bismirching his honour or some shit.
Firelord Chargrilled
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All bullshit alternatives that didn't help my brother not get punched and kicked while being called a "dirty spic" by an exgirlfeind who then stabbed him with a pair of scissors.
So your infinite amount of possibilities sure did work out well for him huh ?
OrlanisWorks
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They should both be charged or neither. At least, that's how I see this situation.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Wait, people are blaming the girl???
Sad.
I like Florida State(not been a fan for a long time though) but this guy is your typical grade A scumbag.
Sad.
I like Florida State(not been a fan for a long time though) but this guy is your typical grade A scumbag.
Icewear Vezzo
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I was taught to defend yourself if struck, even by a weaker opponent. That is how I was raised, just because you were raised differently doesn't make my way irrational and yours rational. It's a cultural thing. It's only irrational to you to strike a woman because you were told otherwise/haven't fought a strong woman before. The law permits self defense, so don't know wtf you're even talking about with the rational argument, if what he did was so barbaric then there wouldn't be such a clash of opinions in the topic.
But you just prove my point with your superior tone.
It's possible I suppose, if what the player claims is true. I don't really think he was in much danger at any point (and I definitely don't believe he ever felt he was in danger of physical harm). But even if we assume she committed a crime as well I don't think that removes any burden on him to only respond reasonably.
And why did she punch him? Because he grabbed her.
I have no idea what was said or if he was being threatening there, but that argument is basically a "dehumanizing stare" type of argument.
Big Baybee
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I think people are saying neither party is innocent.
You really need to watch the video again. He grabbed her hand because she was about to punch him.
speculawyer
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Florida man sweet talking the ladies.
Man, some of the hyperbole in here...
I'm a guy. If someone intentionally punches me, I'm gonna punch back. Whether it's a guy or girl. If I stupidly punch someone, I'd expect them to clock me, guy or girl. She instigated a fight. She cut him off, blew up on him, threatened him, attempted to punch him, supposedly attacked the sack. She deserved that hit.
I'm a guy. If someone intentionally punches me, I'm gonna punch back. Whether it's a guy or girl. If I stupidly punch someone, I'd expect them to clock me, guy or girl. She instigated a fight. She cut him off, blew up on him, threatened him, attempted to punch him, supposedly attacked the sack. She deserved that hit.
Icewear Vezzo
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Balding up one's fist is not the same as a dehumanizing stare
wait I guess it is the same if one is from a black male and the other is a poor white girl who doesnt know shit about getting physical according to people itt
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Guy started it, normal guys don't punch females unless their life is in danger, people don't have a clue.
It's called being a drunk asshole at a bar. I don't know man, you're going to need some soaring rhetoric to make her out to be a feral, vicious attacker. In no way is that a justified reaction to her mushing her hand against his face.
He got to feel it "landing", didn't he? Let's get to the real point: That was in no way physically threatening, he may have taken it as a threat to his ego however.
I was raised pretty similarly, and I hate violence, don't think you should fight or hit people if you can avoid it and it's not worth the risk escalating confrontations.
I'm not speaking as someone from a nice neighborhood, or from a family with money or from someone who wasn't physically disciplined. You don't need to let the culture your grew up with rule you man.
She didn't know he was an athlete and he didn't know if she was drunk (assuming she even was drunk). Throw those things out and what we have left is a woman trying to prevent a guy from standing next to her, raising her arm as if to punch (for no apparent reason other than him wanting the space next to here), being restrained from throwing the punch, throwing a punch, and then him immediately retaliating. She's an asshole just like him. She escalated it and he may have overdid it, but his response was directly related to her initial actions.
OK, just so I'm understanding you correctly, so you're asserting the fact he's an athlete is relevant to whether or not he could reasonably believe that a raised fist could indicate an imminent threat?
And you're saying that a single, reactionary punch is disproportionate because he's an athlete, even though it's blatantly obvious that there was hardly any swing or much force behind it and the fact the "victim" didn't sustain any serious injury?
Am I getting this right?
I disagree completely.
0.1.1.2.3.5.8.13.21.34.55
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What is your culture, where do you come from? Do you know Tyler Durden?
Revolutionary
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He punched the shit out of a drunk girl and then dips? What a punk bitch.
Are you being this obtuse on purpose?
She verbally confronts him and winds up for a punch with her right fist. [This is assault]
He grabs her raised right arm. [Self defence]
She punches him with her free left arm. [This is battery]
He then punches her. [This is battery]
If Johnson had left it there, it would be a cut and dry case of assault and battery. Because he retaliated, rather than escaping the situation, it would be difficult to defend his actions as self defence.
Johnson was changed with battery, she should be charged with assault and battery.
Other than her race or sex being behind it, I have no idea why she hasn't been charged as well.
Icewear Vezzo
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And "normal" guys is some outline that you made up in you're head or the people you hang out with, not the rest of the real world.
LOL fucking please, get out of here with that garbage. Next you're going to tell me about the SJWs and "race baiting", right?
He was already pushing her pretty damn hard, and not only does he grab her fist, he pushes it inwards further towards her. I have no idea how you don't see that this is pretty clearly textbook assault on his end.
Big Baybee
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If by started it you mean made her angry by bumping her, then yes.
His status as an athlete is completely irrelevant. The force of his punch, and the potential for injury due to it, was much, much greater than the threat she represented.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
She's not going to be charged. He will be. I could have predicted that without even reading it from the article. An athlete detonated a woman's face after she threw a punch that wouldn't hurt a wet tissue. What other outcome were people expecting?
No, you're not. Did you watch it in slow motion or something?
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
So now we're arguing pre-emptive measures as self defense? And I disagree about the "about to punch part".
What do you call what she is doing here?
She was about to punch him so he held her fist back and then she still punched him. So, I guess?
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I already posted that the guy's a scumbag, yes.
Forcefully brushing past someone? Not at a crowed bar. Otherwise, all of the attendees are probably guilty.
I'm never going to know the meaning behind this statement if you never tell me =/
That's my stance. Both acted like pieces of shit. I think they both had the opportunity to walk away, but didn't. Legally they might both be covered by the statute posted earlier, if they both claim self defense, but FSU made the right decision regardless.
So men are second class citicens to you got it, dude how about some equality.
Icewear Vezzo
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Velcro Fly
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you make it sound like he took one on the chin from Mike Tyson
she barely hits him. he barely even reacts to the force of it.
i mean he's so devastated by that hard punch that he cold cocks her like 1.5 seconds later.
good golly are we watching the same video
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