Trojita
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He did grab her. He grabbed onto her arm. She started kneeing him in the balls and hitting him in the face.
Video shows FSU QB throwing a punch at a woman at a bar
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He did grab her. He grabbed onto her arm. She started kneeing him in the balls and hitting him in the face.
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Yes, in this context, it does, as it should.
Velcro Fly
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Ok so watching the video and not the gifs
- Dude wants to get to the bar and order a drink
- First girl moves. Punchy girl turns and sees him there and sort of moves to her left a little.
- Dude shoves her into the bar a little, enough for her to turn around. She clearly takes offense or just doesn't like someone she doesn't know coming in on her like that. I have no idea if the dude said excuse me or not but that honestly could make a difference
- She raises a fist and he grabs her. She's clearly saying "hey hey" and her mouth is open like she's shocked this is happening. Her first reaction was to knee him in the groin to free herself.
- She breaks free and throws a weak punch that maybe lands and maybe doesn't. I honestly can't tell because the dude does a great job of no selling
- He hits her back.
I don't know that having someone raise a fist like that is enough to justify grabbing someone, especially when they react like she did. She's clearly not looking for a fight with how shocked she looks and reacts when he grabs her.
- Dude wants to get to the bar and order a drink
- First girl moves. Punchy girl turns and sees him there and sort of moves to her left a little.
- Dude shoves her into the bar a little, enough for her to turn around. She clearly takes offense or just doesn't like someone she doesn't know coming in on her like that. I have no idea if the dude said excuse me or not but that honestly could make a difference
- She raises a fist and he grabs her. She's clearly saying "hey hey" and her mouth is open like she's shocked this is happening. Her first reaction was to knee him in the groin to free herself.
- She breaks free and throws a weak punch that maybe lands and maybe doesn't. I honestly can't tell because the dude does a great job of no selling
- He hits her back.
I don't know that having someone raise a fist like that is enough to justify grabbing someone, especially when they react like she did. She's clearly not looking for a fight with how shocked she looks and reacts when he grabs her.
Weakness in the eyes of strangers you will never see again.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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You must have seen a different video, I saw Ray Rice's wife coming at him in the elevator when he knocked her out.
No because he's considerably bigger than she is. There's a reason guards can hack centers in the paint all game, and never get called for a foul, but when a center bumps that same guard the ref blows the whistle immediately.
Anyway, his criminal charge probably won't stick. While I personally don't think his actions were reasonable, you and a bunch of other clearly do so I think it would be difficult to find a jury pool that could convict beyond a reasonable doubt. But you only have to prove beyond a preponderance of the evidence in the civil suit which would be very easy in this case.
How exhausting.
You break the violence barrier, most especially against someone more capable, prepare for a response. This is a fundamental. Men, unless intoxicated or otherwise mentally unfit, generally get this rule. You feel it in a group of men when there is confrontation as people are sized up and weighing the risk of escalation. It's literally in the air. Some take the risk, and accept the results.
This guy could be a total shithead, but for this scenario he kept it chill and gave her what could only be called a wake up call, a brief glimpse into what she was getting into.
Clearly from this thread we've got people all over the spectrum. Backwards (don't hit women!), neutral (don't start nothing...), and some that think they've transcended beyond the rest of humanity (never hit unless you are for sure going to die).
You break the violence barrier, most especially against someone more capable, prepare for a response. This is a fundamental. Men, unless intoxicated or otherwise mentally unfit, generally get this rule. You feel it in a group of men when there is confrontation as people are sized up and weighing the risk of escalation. It's literally in the air. Some take the risk, and accept the results.
This guy could be a total shithead, but for this scenario he kept it chill and gave her what could only be called a wake up call, a brief glimpse into what she was getting into.
Clearly from this thread we've got people all over the spectrum. Backwards (don't hit women!), neutral (don't start nothing...), and some that think they've transcended beyond the rest of humanity (never hit unless you are for sure going to die).
No.
A defence of self defence in assault and/or battery cases would need to show that the person throwing the punch had no option to remove themselves from the situation.
It is clear that Johnson committed battery against the woman, and his charge of misdemeanor battery reflects this. What is wrong is that it is also clear the woman committed assault and battery against Johnson.
Seeing this is Florida, I wouldn't be surprised if race plays into why she hasn't had charged pressed against her.
Trojita
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Sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying.
I don't have the faintest idea what type of parents or upbringing either of these people had. If you want to make a personal moral judgement about his character as a man willing to strike a woman, thats fine... but that's not relevant to whether he is right to do what he did.
Icewear Vezzo
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And who the fuck are you to make a statement like this? Are you God? Are you a superior being? Are you better than him because you don't hit woman under any circumstance?
Get off your high horse, you don't have any idea how this man's mom raised him. Ridiculous.
BadMediaKarma
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Is this SERIOUS? She didn't want to fight when she threw a punch it him? Hello that's looking for a fight. She raised her fists to threaten him with physical violence and then throws a punch.
Velcro Fly
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She never hits him. And are you seriously fucking defending Ray Rice because wow
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Big Baybee
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I don't think his wife ever touched him.
Seems like she started it and escalated it to me. If she did knee him then that's clearly assault and a punch is a proportionate response to the situation.
He tried restraining her.Turning away isn't an option unless you want to get glassed or knifed.
She was way out of line. It's unfortunate that because of his gender, size and profession he will be vilified.
He tried restraining her.Turning away isn't an option unless you want to get glassed or knifed.
She was way out of line. It's unfortunate that because of his gender, size and profession he will be vilified.
Trojita
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TheGreatMightyPoo
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Not defending any guy hitting a woman unless his life is in danger so fuck no, I'm not.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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They were arguing all the way into the elevator when he presses himself against her and says something. He then mushes her in the face and backs up. Then she gets pissed, yells at him, then comes forward to then get a stone cold clock.
His ass deserved what he got and I'm still pissed that she took his side after all of that. But again, that's not what happened here.
Hopefully, you're not punching anybody in the face.
Lol. I guess stand your ground law only works in Florida if you are white.
Velcro Fly
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she only goes to knee him because he grabs both of her arms. at that point i'd be a little afraid if someone did that to me too and i didn't know them.
Intheflorsh
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He should have just walked away, your drunken pride isn't worth shit in the morning.
Probably racial reasons.
BadMediaKarma
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Would you walk away if someone knee'd you and hit you in the face?
Big Baybee
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Honestly, if it was a woman, yep. I'd push her off me with some force and try to get away. I'm a big dude and I don't need those problems.
Intheflorsh
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Of course I would. I'd only retaliate if I thought there were no other options.
BadMediaKarma
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What if it was a guy her size?
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
I wouldn't grab someone's arms and shove them back in the first place, I cant say.
I know...my response was a correction to what I thought was an improper use of Newton's Law to support an argument. I added and underlined the equal part because then it changes the argument to support the notion that the QB should have punched the girl with lesser force, as opposed to the position taken by the poster I quoted. Its whatever though because the poster never referenced Newton's Law.
Icewear Vezzo
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Scenario:
I'm a 5'7 Caucasian male that weighs 150 pounds.
Decorate UFC fight Jon Jones walks into the bar and I cut him off from his seat and raise my fist at him.
"Fuck you nigger."
Jon gives me a cold stare.
I then raise my fist at Jon Jones, who grabs my first in order to prevent me from punching him. I then throw two punches at Jon Jones, before deciding to kick him in the groin. My punches have no effect on Jones, and I'm clearly no match for him, despite this I continue to pursue hurting him, until he punches me(with not as nearly as much force as he could) which subdues me and ends the assault.
I was clearly no threat to the ex UFC Light-Heavyweight champion. So why did he strike me back when he could've allowed me to assault him, and walk away perfectly fine.
Is Jon Jones a piece of shit for hitting me?
Or was he justified?
I'm a 5'7 Caucasian male that weighs 150 pounds.
Decorate UFC fight Jon Jones walks into the bar and I cut him off from his seat and raise my fist at him.
"Fuck you nigger."
Jon gives me a cold stare.
I was clearly no threat to the ex UFC Light-Heavyweight champion. So why did he strike me back when he could've allowed me to assault him, and walk away perfectly fine.
Is Jon Jones a piece of shit for hitting me?
Or was he justified?
Maybe you would if someone put their left hand on your chest to push you while they threatened to punch you with their right.
Velcro Fly
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It's one of those things you bite off more than you can chew. Like you do something and expect one reaction out of someone and get a completely different one. It's totally dumb on her part to do it but the look on her face says it all. She's shocked that he's grabbing her. It takes her less than a second after he grabs to to try and knee him in the groin. She could have opened with that move if she really wanted to fight. The attempted groin knee is a defensive reaction.
Dude Abides
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Scenario:
I'm a 5'7 Caucasian male that weighs 150 pounds.
Decorate UFC fight Jon Jones walks into the bar and I cut him off from his seat and raise my fist at him.
"Fuck you nigger."
Jon gives me a cold stare.
I then raise my fist at Jon Jones, who grabs my first in order to prevent me from punching him. I then throw two punches at Jon Jones, before deciding to kick him in the groin. My punches have no effect on Jones, and I'm clearly no match for him, despite this I continue to pursue hurting him, until he punches me(with not as nearly as much force as he could) which subdues me and ends the assault.
I was clearly no threat to the ex UFC Light-Heavyweight champion. So why did he strike me back when he could've allowed me to assault him, and walk away perfectly fine.
Is Jon Jones a piece of shit for hitting me?
Or was he justified?
How much cocaine has he had that night?
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
Scenario:
I'm a 5'7 Caucasian male that weighs 150 pounds.
Decorate UFC fight Jon Jones walks into the bar and I cut him off from his seat and raise my fist at him.
"Fuck you nigger."
Jon gives me a cold stare.
I then raise my fist at Jon Jones, who grabs my first in order to prevent me from punching him. I then throw two punches at Jon Jones, before deciding to kick him in the groin. My punches have no effect on Jones, and I'm clearly no match for him, despite this I continue to pursue hurting him, until he punches me(with not as nearly as much force as he could) which subdues me and ends the assault.
I was clearly no threat to the ex UFC Light-Heavyweight champion. So why did he strike me back when he could've allowed me to assault him, and walk away perfectly fine.
Is Jon Jones a piece of shit for hitting me?
Or was he justified?
So you raise one fist twice? Or did you have both fists in the air?
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
ahaha.
Some of us are questioning what that violence barrier is. I don't think the girl raising her fist and having it hover justifies having the guy restrain her and push her back.
Icewear Vezzo
Banned
About three lines, which is effectively like half a beer to him.
Big Baybee
Member
At 18-19 years old, it's probably going down. I'm 30 and too grown for that shit now.
Kitsunebaby
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I don't have a single fucking shred of sympathy for the girl. If you hit someone unprovoked, you better expect to get hit in return.
I don't really care what's proportional. When someone hits you for no reason your rationality dissipates and all that's left is rage.
I don't really care what's proportional. When someone hits you for no reason your rationality dissipates and all that's left is rage.
Maybe he raised his fist higher, going in for the overhead.
Some people need to learn some serious self control
I have a real issue with the 'never hit a women' blanket thing because I can tell you, it depends on th situation. If I'm in danger of being affronted by a woman I'll do what I can to nullify that threat. It's obviously a last resort but still. In this case, I'm not entirely sure if she did enough to warrant such a response. It's hard to say without being there and having the full context.
I also have a real issue with the 'doesn't matter if she hit him, she's weak and he's big'. That's a laughable justification and slightly offensive. There's so many variables.
I also have a real issue with the 'doesn't matter if she hit him, she's weak and he's big'. That's a laughable justification and slightly offensive. There's so many variables.
I can't really hate on the QB for being heated. But he needs to be punished for the delayed punch. Sometimes people are prone to make dumb mistakes when punched in the face, and sometimes those mistakes are illegal (assault). I don't think his sentence should to the fullest, but there should be a sentence nonetheless, even if it's parole or community service. I also think the aggressor should be charged with assault, and given a sentence similar to the QB's. One got really heated after getting punched and clocked the aggressor in a single blow with unnecessary force but did not pursue further violence. The other acted with intent to assault but did not cause serious injury. Both are very irresponsible. A good qb, or leader in general, should know better than to fuck around with bars. or at least know to walk away. Stay home. Read the playbook. Go to the weight room.
Don't start fights people. Unless you're running a backyard boxing league, then put it up on YouTube. Nothing more human than seeing two people respectfully knock the shit out of each other.
Don't start fights people. Unless you're running a backyard boxing league, then put it up on YouTube. Nothing more human than seeing two people respectfully knock the shit out of each other.
Well, between the two of them, she had the first opportunity to deescalate the situation, but chose not to. She started yelling at him for no apparent reason other than he may have bumped into her while trying to occupy the space next to her. When he started talking smack back she could've just said fuck it, but she chose to put her hand on him while raising a fist.
Yikes, well he should have just kept punching her into the ground then. Rage > Law.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Self control my ass. It's about not getting rolled over because someone wants to act big. I'm sorry but if someone punches me in my face, the last thing I'm going to be worried about is "Oh lordy, got to check that self control."
Fuck that, I'm punching back. Worst is if you are screaming in my face and decide you are also going to spit in my face. That's ultimate disrespect and a full force Cock back is what you will get.
That's what you get when you think you can do anything just because you're a "delicate and of course an innocent woman." I'm pretty sure 99% of guys in that situation would never throw a punch including me and that's normal but he's that 1% who would and did. You can blame both but the girl surely was the aggressor there. This entire problem comes from people who think it's okay for a woman to hit a man.
It's situational of course. In this particular situation, use some fucking self control.
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