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[BadMediaKarma]

Man, some of the hyperbole in here...

I'm a guy. If someone intentionally punches me, I'm gonna punch back. Whether it's a guy or girl. If I stupidly punch someone, I'd expect them to clock me, guy or girl. She instigated a fight. She cut him off, blew up on him, threatened him, attempted to punch him, supposedly attacked the sack. She deserved that hit.

I can't spot any lies here

 

[23qwerty]

Forcefully brushing past someone? Not at a crowed bar. Otherwise, all of the attendees are probably guilty.

He's clearly intentionally pushing her up against the bar but whatever

 

[Hylian7]

Are you being this obtuse on purpose?

He was already pushing her. [This is assault]
She verbally confronts him and winds up for a punch with her right fist. [This is self defense]
He grabs her raised right arm and pushes it inward toward her. [This is battery]
She punches him with her free left arm. [This is more self defense]

Fixed this for you. I'm not being obtuse here, you're just clearly wanting to see this woman put away because she tried to defend herself.

 

[genjiZERO]

I was taught to defend yourself if struck, even by a weaker opponent. That is how I was raised, just because you were raised differently doesn't make my way irrational and yours rational. It's a cultural thing. It's only irrational to you to strike a woman because you were told otherwise/haven't fought a strong woman before. The law permits self defense, so don't know wtf you're even talking about with the rational argument, if what he did was so barbaric then there wouldn't be such a clash of opinions in the topic.


But you just prove my point with your superior tone.

The law only allows reasonable actions, and again his actions are unreasonable because he is a college football player and she's a drunk girl. The reasonable action would have been to grab her to prevent her from punching him or backing away. This has nothing to do with culture, and if your culture allows carte blanche retaliation then it's running counter to both the law and, frankly, the whole point of society.

 

[royalan]

you make it sound like he took one on the chin from Mike Tyson

she barely hits him. he barely even reacts to the force of it.

i mean he's so devastated by that hard punch that he cold cocks her like 1.5 seconds later.

good golly are we watching the same video

I didn't make it sound like anything. I said she threw a closed fisted punch, and that's literally exactly what she did.

 

[TTG]

"Mushing her hand against his face."

Is that what we're calling closed fist punches these days?

What she was throwing? Absolutely. I'm "punching" myself like she was punching him right now as I type this up, I should do this more often.

 

[Dude Abides]

Two stupid people play stupid game and win stupid prizes. I don't know what you are arguing about. She's an idiot and so is he. She got decked (and perhaps some kind of charge) and he got a misdemeanor charge that he'll probably plead down. Big fucking deal.

 

[MIMIC]

He's clearly intentionally pushing her up against the bar but whatever

He's trying to get to the open space but she won't let him in.

 

[Frog-fu]

His status as an athlete is completely irrelevant. The force of his punch, and the potential for injury due to it, was much, much greater than the threat she represented.

I say good luck to the lawyer arguing this in court. Assuming the QB has a decent lawyer.

No, you're not. Did you watch it in slow motion or something?

The punch obviously had some weight to it and it's obviously going to hurt, but it was probably a farcry from the damage he could have done if he swung on her like he would have if it were a premeditated attack.

 

[Surface of Me]

I didn't make it sound like anything. I said she threw a closed fisted punch, and that's literally exactly what she did.

After he physically grabbed her and pushed her away. Seems you are missing that part. And no, "fist was in the air!" is not assault.

 

[Thorakai]

Where is the "pushing pretty damn hard"?

I'm pretty sure he is mentioning the part cut off from that .gif.

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

He's clearly intentionally pushing her up against the bar but whatever

No he isn't, watch again. He brushes beside her, more facing the women in front of him. She then feels his shoulder touch hers and responds by throwing her shoulder back then turning around to confront him. He didn't push her to the point she flew forward and then needed to turn around to respond aggressively.

 

[ThisGuy]

Racist women assaults black teen. Good thing she's white.

*pukes*

 

[CLEEK]

Fixed this for you. I'm not being obtuse here, you're just clearly wanting to see this woman put away because she tried to defend herself.

He was trying to squeeze past her to get to the bar. Neither under Florida law, or basic common sense is this assault. It wasn't threatening. It wasn't done to incur harm. He had his back to her when she turns around and verbally confronts / threatens him, thus instigating the altercation.

You don't understand what either assault or battery means in a legal sense, so no wonder you're so confused here.

 

[BadMediaKarma]

Racist women assaults black teen. Good thing she's white.

*pukes*

Eek the tea

 

[devilhawk]

Where is the "pushing pretty damn hard"?

She actually throws her shoulder back at him first as he is sliding past her towards the bar. If I got free reign to punch every person that slid by me at a crowded bar... holy shit.

 

[TTG]

good golly are we watching the same video

Good question. Quick everyone, get the smelling salts! That woman just extended her elbow in a drunken, telegraphed motion and it even brushed that poor man's face. Cut me Mick, cut me!

 

[Jawbreaker]

All bullshit alternatives that didn't help my brother not get punched and kicked while being called a "dirty spic" by an exgirlfeind who then stabbed him with a pair of scissors.

So your infinite amount of possibilities sure did work out well for him huh ?

This is a case where you DO want to use as much force as possible to disarm/incapacitate/restrain the person, man or woman. I don't think anyone's arguing that you should never hit a woman, rather that you have to take proportionality into account. If someone mildly slaps you in the face for example, you don't deliver a Tiger Uppercut in response.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

His response was way too much. Anyways, this thread seems to be going the same way as that other thread with Afroman knocking out the woman dancing on stage. Terrible.

I'll go on record and say that I defended Afroman in that thread too.

Double standards have no place in a court of law.

The law only allows reasonable actions, and again his actions are unreasonable because he is a college football player and she's a drunk girl. The reasonable action would have been to grab her to prevent her from punching him or backing away. This has nothing to do with culture, and if your culture allows carte blanche retaliation then it's running counter to both the law and, frankly, the whole point of society.

FFS he's shown doing this in this very video! I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. He didn't want to hit her. He wasn't even looking at her as he brushes by her at the bar. He didn't start the conflict. He didn't even respond with violence when she attempted to initialize it. He only responds with force when attacked with force.

He's a stupid college student that got dragged into a bar fight like millions of other stupid kids all over the country. He just got caught on video.

 

[Icewear Vezzo]

The law only allows reasonable actions, and again his actions are unreasonable because he is a college football player and she's a drunk girl. The reasonable action would have been to grab her to prevent her from punching him or backing away. This has nothing to do with culture, and if your culture allows carte blanche retaliation then it's running counter to both the law and, frankly, the whole point of society.

He literally punched her one time, don't understand why you act as if he threw a flurry of punches at her. He actually did grab her but she was still swinging, at that point he had every right to punch her. Not his fault she was drunk, she has to take some responsibility for her actions.

And lmao punching someone in the fact after getting punched in the face and kicked in the groin isn't reasonable? Because she was drunk? Nah, dude stood his ground. Being drunk doesn't give you an excuse to assault strangers and be an asshole.

 

[genjiZERO]

OK, just so I'm understanding you correctly, so you're asserting the fact he's an athlete is relevant to whether or not he could reasonably believe that a raised fist could indicate an imminent threat?

Yes, of course.

 

[royalan]

I'm pretty sure he is mentioning the part cut off from that .gif.

Again, where's the pushing? At no point at the start of this does he push her. Pushing implies an intentional use of force. The most he does is bump into her, which...you're at a crowded bar. If you can't handle that go to TGI Fridays.

If anything, he kind of pushes the girl who was standing there before both of them.

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

This is a case where you DO want to use as much force as possible to disarm/incapacitate/restrain the person, man or woman. I don't think anyone's arguing that you should never hit a woman, rather that you have to take proportionality into account. If someone mildly slaps you in the face for example, you don't deliver a Tiger Uppercut in response.

This I agree with. But I also can see that she was using all her force that, that space allowed her, to punch him in the face, but sort of missed, he did exactly the same but didn't miss. So... I mean it's a stalemate..

 

[erawsd]

you make it sound like he took one on the chin from Mike Tyson

she barely hits him. he barely even reacts to the force of it.

i mean he's so devastated by that hard punch that he cold cocks her like 1.5 seconds later.

good golly are we watching the same video

According to the report she knees him and then throws the punch. There is nothing there to indicate that that was the end of her assult so the guy has two choices: He can continue to try deflecting and absorbing those blows from her or he can respond in kind to stop the assault all together. The law allows for both and he is certainly not wrong for taking the latter position.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

This is a case where you DO want to use as much force as possible to disarm/incapacitate/restrain the person, man or woman. I don't think anyone's arguing that you should never hit a woman, rather that you have to take proportionality into account. If someone mildly slaps you in the face for example, you don't deliver a Tiger Uppercut in response.

I agree, but truly thinking out loud here---how does he know her punch wasn't intended to be stronger? If she meant to knock him out, but threw a weak punch, is his reasonable response what she intended to do to him, or what she ended up doing? I guess if I'm the guy and in the heat of the moment someone did that to me, I might jump to the next level simply because I don't know what is coming next if they get a second chance.

 

[params7]

Was he drunk? If so you really can't expect a man to make a judgement on appropriate force to use when you have a person cutting in front of you, blocking you, calling you a N, stepping on your nuts then trying to punch you.

Dude used too much force, but look at that environment, and he's 19. Still, he tried to restrain her first.

Also another example why altercation is never worth the hassle unless in self defense.

 

[devilhawk]

This is a case where you DO want to use as much force as possible to disarm/incapacitate/restrain the person, man or woman. I don't think anyone's arguing that you should never hit a woman, rather that you have to take proportionality into account. If someone mildly slaps you in the face for example, you don't deliver a Tiger Uppercut in response.

yeah...

If, and that's a big if, everything he said is true I think he'll likely walk.

The big question is will any college let alone NFL team touch him even if he's vindicated.

It's never okay to hit a woman, just like it's never okay to call someone a racial slur, knee them in the genitals, and repeatedly try to punch them.

ITT: men who think it's ever okay to hit a woman

 

[Reptars Revenge]

Love reading these posts as a Florida lawyer. People claiming things as a fact when a jury would have to decide. Btw assault is where somebody thinks they are about to be battered, you don't have to be in fear though. That should help.

 

[Measley]

He had everything to lose, she had nothing to lose. Also you shouldn't punch a lady in the face, no matter what she's doing. Especially if you're a damn football player.

Just walk away man.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

According to the report she knees him and then throws the punch. There is nothing there to indicate that that was the end of her assult so the guy has two choices: He can continue to try deflecting and absorbing those blows from her or he can respond in kind to stop the assault all together. The law allows for both and he is certainly not wrong for taking the latter position.

How about grab her or walk away???

He went Ray Rice on her.

 

[Trojita]

She actually throws her shoulder back at him first as he is sliding past her towards the bar. If I got free reign to punch every person that slid by me at a crowded bar... holy shit.

Watch the video. That isn't the start.

 

[OrlanisWorks]

She's not going to be charged. He will be. I could have predicted that without even reading it from the article. An athlete detonated a woman's face after she threw a punch that wouldn't hurt a wet tissue. What other outcome were people expecting?

True. She likely isn't. The law sees her punch as a childish poke on the nose. Not a surprise. A punch is a punch though.

 

[ZeroX03]

Take the GIFs out of the OP. People should be watching the video.

 

[BobLoblaw]

I'm never going to know the meaning behind this statement if you never tell me =/

You were referencing a law based on physics only bro. It doesn't apply to human interactions. When it comes to people, you can say for every action there may be a consequence, but there's no way every interaction between two or more people will have equal outcomes. It's like you lecturing me for 10 minutes on the morals of a man defending himself against a woman and my response just being a shoulder shrug. Not equal.

 

[BadMediaKarma]

The gifs in the op should be removed the order it's being shown in is misleading

How about grab her or walk away???

He went Ray Rice on her.

He tried grabbing her and she was able to get off it. Also he only punched her once let's not with the hyperbole

 

[CLEEK]

Forcefully brushing past someone? Not at a crowed bar. Otherwise, all of the attendees are probably guilty.

I know, right. Too many people are commenting on this without a basic understanding of the law.

Assault doesn't mean 'made physical contact'. It is a deliberate threat of violence made against another person. Either verbally or physically.

http://www.husseinandwebber.com/crimes/violent-crimes/simple-assault/

Under the law, an assault occurs when a person, by word or act, makes an intentional threat to commit violence towards another person, has the apparent ability to carry out the threat, and does some act which creates a well-founded fear in the other person that such violence is imminent.

She verbally confronted him, then raised her fist to punch him. Textbook assault.

 

[Frog-fu]

Yes, of course.

The guy is good a throwing egg-shaped balls. He's not a mind-reader. Even someone with a lifetime's worth of experience in martial arts is likely to reasonably believe a raised fist signals an imminent threat. Why else would someone raise it, if not to use it, and regardless of whether they use it or not, the law takes into account no one can know with 100% certainty and thus it's better to be safe than sorry.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

The gifs in the op should be removed the order it's being shown in is misleading




He tried grabbing her and she was able to get off it. Also he only punched her once let's not with the hyperbole

No hyperbole at all, he punched her like a man would punch another man in a fight.

That's the problem, he's a fucking moron.

His life wasn't in danger.

 

[mike23]

This thread is infuriating. People who keep saying that she wasn't a threat need to take a second to search youtube/liveleak for "girl knocks dude out". Plenty of videos of small, skinny chicks hauling off and knocking dudes of all sizes right the fuck out.

People also always ignore the countless things that can happen from a punch or slap that can kill or permanently injure a person. What if her thumbnail caught his fucking eye? Or she hit him just hard enough for him to stumble backwards, trip, and crack his neck against a bar stool Million Dollar Baby style.

Chick should be arrested, it's pure sexism that she wasn't.

It's also exposes deep seated sexism every time a white knight comes into this thread and makes the claim that just because she is a weak little girl she can't possible hurt a big strong man. Men need to protect these weak women, it's our duty. Fuck off with that sexist shit.

 

[travisbickle]

The guy is good a throwing egg-shaped balls. He's not a mind-reader. Even someone with a lifetime's worth of experience in martial arts is likely to reasonably believe a raised fist signals an imminent threat. Why else would someone raise it, if not to use it, and regardless of whether they use it or not, the law takes into account no one can know with 100% certainty and thus it's better to be safe than sorry.

I've never been in this situation before, so a raised fist allows someone by law to punch a person?

 

[Icewear Vezzo]

I'm having a hard time understanding why the fact she's a "woman" holds any weight when there are woman at the gym I go to, that are physically stronger than most men I know in real life. I know females who can fight males and win at that.

Yes, genetically males have more potential to get stronger, and on average, are. But it's not impossible for a women to train to get stronger than the average male. If a women isn't good at fighting, and isn't strong enough to hold her own in a fight with a male, then she shouldn't be provoking fights.


As a male if someone hits you in the face and it hurts, or if someone is trying to hit you, you have every right to retaliate as a form of self defense to stop them. Man or woman.

 

[erawsd]

How about grab her or walk away???

He went Ray Rice on her.

Again, the law allows for all these options. Hes not at all wrong for taking the path he did.

 

[BadMediaKarma]

No hyperbole at all, he punched her like a man would punch another man in a fight.

That's the problem, he's a fucking moron.

His life wasn't in danger.

So is she for trying it with him instead of keeping her hands to her damn self.

 

[royalan]

I've never been in this situation before, so a raised fist allows someone by law to punch a person?

You didn't watch the video.

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

How about grab her or walk away???

He went Ray Rice on her.

I wouldn't equate these situations as the same. Ray Rice completely destroyed his wife who was yelling at him a distance away in an elevator. And it wasn't just one punch, it was multiple until the final one laid her out. Then he dragged her unconscious body out the elevator and walked over her like as if she was a piece of shit.

THAT is not what happened here at all.

 

[Measley]

This thread is infuriating. People who keep saying that she wasn't a threat need to take a second to search youtube/liveleak for "girl knocks dude out". Plenty of videos of small, skinny chicks hauling off and knocking dudes of all sizes right the fuck out.

People also always ignore the countless things that can happen from a punch or slap that can kill or permanently injure a person. What if her thumbnail caught his fucking eye? Or she hit him just hard enough for him to stumble backwards, trip, and crack his neck against a bar stool Million Dollar Baby style.

Chick should be arrested, it's pure sexism that she wasn't.

It's also exposes deep seated sexism every time a white knight comes into this thread and makes the claim that just because she is a weak little girl she can't possible hurt a big strong man. Men need to protect these weak women, it's our duty. Fuck off with that sexist shit.

Well he did stop her punch. The issue is that he clocked her in the face after the danger was over. If he just pushed her hand away and left, he'd be just fine.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Again, the law allows for all these options. Hes not at all wrong for taking the path he did.

His mom didn't raise him right regardless of laws.

 

[Immaculate]

so why did she just not let him in the open space?

 

[Icewear Vezzo]

This thread is infuriating. People who keep saying that she wasn't a threat need to take a second to search youtube/liveleak for "girl knocks dude out". Plenty of videos of small, skinny chicks hauling off and knocking dudes of all sizes right the fuck out.

People also always ignore the countless things that can happen from a punch or slap that can kill or permanently injure a person. What if her thumbnail caught his fucking eye? Or she hit him just hard enough for him to stumble backwards, trip, and crack his neck against a bar stool Million Dollar Baby style.

Chick should be arrested, it's pure sexism that she wasn't.

It's also exposes deep seated sexism every time a white knight comes into this thread and makes the claim that just because she is a weak little girl she can't possible hurt a big strong man. Men need to protect these weak women, it's our duty. Fuck off with that sexist shit.

Thisx1000

 

[devilhawk]

Watch the video. That isn't the start.

I watched the video. I see her swing her shoulder around followed with a forearm to gain space for a raised fist.