Punished Miku
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"Gyroscope aiming is bad" is easily the worst offender. Pretty much the best advancement in console controls since analog joysticks.
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Videogame complaints that never made sense to you
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“Physical games need to die. Get over it, digital is the best.”
I’m not here telling you not to get digital games. I’m not here telling you to stop playing online only games.
why you gotta yell at me if I want to own a copy of a game that will work as long as I take care of my stuff? It’s my choice.
I’m not here telling you not to get digital games. I’m not here telling you to stop playing online only games.
why you gotta yell at me if I want to own a copy of a game that will work as long as I take care of my stuff? It’s my choice.
It's awesome. Especially when you can dual weld.
Slings and Arrows
Banned
Which one was set on an island full of African people? I never played resi after 3, but I remember the 'outrage' at the time.
BlitzerRadic
Member
OMG... "respecting my time" is one of those dumb af things you only hear from gamers. You never hear that phrase when describing other forms of media. Like how dumb would you sound if you said a movie didnt respect your time lol.
Krappadizzle
Member
5 was set in Africa.
The outrage was hilarious too at the time. Those darn Japanese promoting white supremacy again. After they should have learned their lesson when absolutely no-one bought RE4 because of it's white supremacy.
brian0057
Banned
Minimaps remove player agency.
Why bother exploring when you can just look at the corner of the screen and see what's ahead. Even more so if it shows markers.
You stop paying attention to the beautiful world the developers crafted to just "play the minimap" instead.
If you can't move about in a massive open world without it, then it's a badly designed world "cough" Witcher 3 "cough".
See above.
Makes exploration meaningless.
If you're just gonna dump hundreds of markers on the map, showing the player all the things you can do in it.
Why should anyone bother to explore if there's nothing to discover.
See also: literally any Ubisoft open world game.
It's not as interactive as full blown gameplay nor as engaging as a cutscene.
It's the worst of both worlds.
I love Human Revolution and Mankind Divided but the slow walking segment at the begining of both games drive me up the fucking wall. Either give me the info through gameplay or through a cutscene.
This half-assed shit is annoying and needs to die. Especially when you die and have to repeat it. And unlike a cutscene, you can't skip it.
It the illusion of control.
At least the Half-Life tram sequence was tematically and mechanically cosistent.
That was 6 I think
brian0057
Banned
People bitching and moaning about stories.
Bitch, it's a videogame. If I want a good story, I'll go read a book or watch a movie/TV show.
I don't care if the ending to Mankind Divided is "sub par". It's a masteful cyberpunk RPG with superb level design and an abundance of choice.
John Carmack was correct when he compared games to porn.
The story is expected to be there, but it's not that important.
Bitch, it's a videogame. If I want a good story, I'll go read a book or watch a movie/TV show.
I don't care if the ending to Mankind Divided is "sub par". It's a masteful cyberpunk RPG with superb level design and an abundance of choice.
John Carmack was correct when he compared games to porn.
The story is expected to be there, but it's not that important.
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Punished Miku
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Saber
Member
"I want more realism"
Lol do you people play games for realism? The door is next to you, go out and explore the real world if you want more realism that your life already gives you.
"This female character is too sexy"
While proceeds to drow over every almost naked buff dudes and back street boy looking type of characters, using "male fantasy" retarded excuse.
"It's too difficult. I demand this game to be more easier"
Followed by generic type of excuses like "I don't have time".
Lol do you people play games for realism? The door is next to you, go out and explore the real world if you want more realism that your life already gives you.
"This female character is too sexy"
While proceeds to drow over every almost naked buff dudes and back street boy looking type of characters, using "male fantasy" retarded excuse.
"It's too difficult. I demand this game to be more easier"
Followed by generic type of excuses like "I don't have time".
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StormCell
Member
I hadn't even considered this. I'm reminded of the years when my dad was absolutely hooked on Madden football. He would adjust the CPU skill to its maximum, which apparently meant CPU defenders could deflect or pick off passes they were 5 yards away from and their runners would require at least 2 defenders to bring them down. lol
The honest expectation would have been for the CPU to call better plays, but nah.
Oh, and Civilization games are/were the same way. On the highest difficulty setting, they advance faster than is realistically possible and spawn units from nothing. Yes, it's more difficult to beat them, but it's not what was expected.
Krappadizzle
Member
GaaS has been done like shit by just about everyone that's done it. The only non-scummy GaaS devs I can think of off the top of my head are Digital Extremes with Warframe and HelloGames with No Man's Sky, and you can't even spend extra money in NMS if you wanted to.
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Belmonte
Member
I don't remember Omega Pirate. Not sure if I encounter him since I lost my Metroid Prime save and could not finish unfortunately but seems like a difficult spike for me!
It isn't artificial. At least, not more artificial than any other game.
If an RTS has omniscient AI with unlimited resources and the devs objective was to emulate a human player, than they did a bad job. The challenge per se is very real though.
I call unfun difficulty, bad for multiplayer training since the computer does not follow human rules. But a well made AI is as artificial as a bad one.
My point is that the term suggests that well made difficulty is natural. As everyone knows, everything is a designer's choice.
The term I would use to describe what you wrote are bugs and unfun or poorly made difficulty.
Someone can think I'm over reacting because of semantics, and fair enough. But I don't like the term because it is used to downplay many interesting mechanics, usually used in challenging games.
I know it wasn't your point but just to illustrate: even enemies trespassing walls could be interesting if the devs knows what they are doing like in Devil May Cry Scissor Demons.
sainraja
Member
We have to remember that Nathan Drake almost lost Elena because of him and due to that he was pretty close to wanting to kill him and if in this instance he had gone through with it, it could be categorized as murder since he was looking for revenge; everything else happened due to the situation Drake found himself in. I think most of it can be explained, I am sure there are some oversights but I don't like how people just use it as a quick way to brush off the games and the associated story.
GymWolf
Gold Member
Dude like i said, i'm usually the guy who think that a lot of games are easy, do you think that i can be against what you say? cmon.
People like to whine and then call other people elitist in a fucking hardcore videogame forum...
if you have the skill of a 5 years old what the fuck are you doing here discussing difficulty in games?
When a game is too difficult i just accept that i'm bad at it.
but when it comes to all my examples, calling out devs for their poor job is absolutely ok in my book.
Sometimes from softare games have a lot of these problems even if fanboys says gitgud...no, i'm not gonna gitgud when the camera is absolute trash and enemies hit me behind a damn wall of concrete.
this is quintessentials artificial difficulty at work.
Scissors demons in dmc are made to trapass walls on purpose and i love that mechanic, but it's different from what i'm saying.
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TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
Anytime someone says something along the lines of "It's a good game, but not a good [insert IP] game," as if they're the arbiters of nomenclature and all aspects of game design must be discussed in a committee and then passed directly to their desk so they can either nod approvingly or veto the title. Like come the fuck on.
Final Fantasy and Resident Evil seem to be the biggest attractor of this tired rhetoric. You fell in love with the franchise from the first couple of entries, we get it. You're legit, 2 kool 4 skewl. Stagnant product is one of the three points to the unholy triangle named "Death of Creativity," along with censorship and some other shit that I haven't thought about this analogy enough to pin point.
The people who built a franchise from the ground up and turned it into a household name get to decide if it's a [insert IP] game, not Tr0llFuck3r69.
Final Fantasy and Resident Evil seem to be the biggest attractor of this tired rhetoric. You fell in love with the franchise from the first couple of entries, we get it. You're legit, 2 kool 4 skewl. Stagnant product is one of the three points to the unholy triangle named "Death of Creativity," along with censorship and some other shit that I haven't thought about this analogy enough to pin point.
The people who built a franchise from the ground up and turned it into a household name get to decide if it's a [insert IP] game, not Tr0llFuck3r69.
sainraja
Member
I've heard this kind of criticism before and the idea that kept coming to my mind was, how can developers give players the ability to mark up the map on their own as they discover points of interests along their journey? (add city names they see on signs, people they meet, areas they find interesting). I know games allow us to add a marker, but can I don't think any game allows us to add a marker and also add areas on the map that we identify ourselves.
I am actually surprised no game does this (or there might be one that does and I just haven't played it).
Happosai
Hold onto your panties
People who complain about open world games and still buy them...then complain more. I've heard this for BotW and MGSV: The Phantom Pain. I've always enjoyed open worlds and some of my favorite games are open world. The complaint by some seems to be that the games are too long from start to finish. Which begs the question again: Why do they buy them if you can easily find this info prior to buying the game?
GymWolf
Gold Member
Well depends, there are games where the story is kinda of a big part so if it's bad and full of holes it is a legit complaint.
nowadays a lot of games are heavy story driven, even open world games and if devs pump the story in their trailers, people start to have some expectations, especially when you have hours and hours of cutscenes.
RedVIper
Banned
Then you're just arguing semantics and this discussion is pointless.
Artificial can mean something like insincere, false. The difficulty feels artificial because the game isn't playing by the same rules that I am.
You're just arguing the definition of the word, not it's usage.
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GymWolf
Gold Member
I'm with you but both mgs5 and botw were criticized because they were pretty barren and lifeless (on top of some other complaints) not much for their longevity.
I mean you can fight the zelda final boss almost immediately...
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Happosai
Hold onto your panties
Yeah, that could be an issue. I think the seemingly infinite side missions in MGSV got annoying but overall I still liked the games. I have heard people complain about open world in games like Shadow of the Colossus...that I don't get.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
Oh yeah I hate the “barren” complaints in MGSV. Complete horseshit. You were never a minute’s run from an enemy camp. There was constantly stuff to pick up and loot from the environment. On top of that you are in a fucking war zone in the deserts of Afghanistan. I saw people whining that there were no towns and NoCs and I was like, yeah, they all cleared out when the Russian military took over.
Because this is a war zone? They are in a desert? In the middle of a war? You expect a bunch of fun shit to do??? What mini games do you think you could play in a desert?
Worst were complaints about the helicopter animation, like you can’t sit through a technically stunning 30 second clip of your Legendary Mercenary flying into a war zone in his own private heli. 30 seconds is just too long of a wait for you. Like ffs if people aren’t given someone to shoot every 10 seconds their brains turn to mush. People have no attention spans.
Because this is a war zone? They are in a desert? In the middle of a war? You expect a bunch of fun shit to do??? What mini games do you think you could play in a desert?
Worst were complaints about the helicopter animation, like you can’t sit through a technically stunning 30 second clip of your Legendary Mercenary flying into a war zone in his own private heli. 30 seconds is just too long of a wait for you. Like ffs if people aren’t given someone to shoot every 10 seconds their brains turn to mush. People have no attention spans.
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Happosai
Hold onto your panties
You forgot the complaint: it's not as good as MGS 1-4. They ruined Metal Gear is one I hear a lot, too. I still see a lot of life in the game. I want to hear someone complain his it wasn't as good as Metal Gear 1987. Those people exist.
GymWolf
Gold Member
Some people bought SOTC thinking it was a checklist openworld.
GymWolf
Gold Member
I didn't even played the game as an open world game, for me it was just a series of sandbox areas.
If you go with that mentality the world being barren is not a big problem.
Happosai
Hold onto your panties
The original PS2 manual would have given away a lot about SOTC. Sony didn't explain very much and they didn't have to back then; the idea was for it to be an exploration you figure out without being given everything in context. It worked and is still popular.
GymWolf
Gold Member
Sometimes people buy games because the cover looks good, what can i say?
Flying Toaster
Member
A demand for open difficulty settings or easier difficulty settings.
Back in my day we called that get more fucking quarters. Forgive me while I go yell at clouds and tell those covid carrying kids to get off my lawn.
Back in my day we called that get more fucking quarters. Forgive me while I go yell at clouds and tell those covid carrying kids to get off my lawn.
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fran.fernandez
Member
They killed the character I liked...
wtf
wtf
TheContact
Member
Grinding. It’s basically a mechanic of rpgs and you don’t always have to do it, but it gives you options as to how easy or hard you want the experience to be.
Its also a staple of online games, and games with microtransactions. Grinding used to be kind of cool in Diablo 2 and other early RPG's but at this point its become a tool to pry money out of peoples wallets and in that respect I hate it. That being said its totally fine as a mechanic in pokemon or other levels based RPGs.
Zog
Banned
What GAAS games will be playable in 35 years?
TheMasterSwordMaster
Member
people in breath of the wild chop down trees with all their good swords and wonder why their weapons break in one hit during combat
Arachnid
Member
Those who complain about third person because they believe first person is more immersive (not counting VR, of course). Early Silent Hill games and Bloodborne immersed me just as much if not more so than any first person game I've played. Immersion comes down to atmosphere and storytelling more than anything.
If anything, I've always felt a weird disconnect to first person. The main argument for it is that the perspective makes you feel like you're looking through your own eyes, but that's not true in my experience. If anything, it takes me out of it because of how much it doesn't line up with normal FOV and movement. Limbs never look right, head bouncing always comes off as weirdly rhythmic and exact, and there is no way to simulate peripherals.
The exception to this is of course VR, which uses your own head movement and somewhat brings peripherals in (peripherals come more into play when you're actually turning your head and looking around)..
If anything, I've always felt a weird disconnect to first person. The main argument for it is that the perspective makes you feel like you're looking through your own eyes, but that's not true in my experience. If anything, it takes me out of it because of how much it doesn't line up with normal FOV and movement. Limbs never look right, head bouncing always comes off as weirdly rhythmic and exact, and there is no way to simulate peripherals.
The exception to this is of course VR, which uses your own head movement and somewhat brings peripherals in (peripherals come more into play when you're actually turning your head and looking around)..
Zog
Banned
93.62% of statistics are made up.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
It is.
Consoles will update game when suspended.
vs.
PC needs Game updates, Window update + reboots, new video drivers, Steam updates, Epic store updates, EA updates, Ubisoft updates, special SW for chat and voice, etc.
Zog
Banned
Ever play a Mario Kart game and watch your item go right through the racer you shot it at? Ever see a racer you knock out recover much quicker than you could in the same situation? Sometimes games do cheat.
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Zog
Banned
I have to say that my biggest complaint is when people tell others not to complain by saying 'just don't buy it/ play it'.
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Zog
Banned
People say 'That's 2 hours I won't get back' all the time.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
"Games as a service and F2P are bad" is just code for "I prefer single player games and am afraid of the wave."
Zog
Banned
If you aren't afraid of what the game industry is becoming then you aren't paying attention. They want you to own nothing, to stop playing a game when they stop supporting it and then repurchase the same game a few years later at full price.
I don't think I have ever heard that specific complaint in regards to open world games. Usually people complain about large but empty worlds.
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FreedomOfSpeech
Banned
ingame purchases.
nobody is forcing you
nobody is forcing you