Virtua Fighter needs more pizazz to be successful in today's climate of fighters
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Looking at some of the things people were saying at the time, you would guess that low level play never even existed and you would have to spend tens of hours playing a single character to even begin to scratch the surface on how they worked.
Osu 16 Bit
Member
Right. I seriously think the VF community and gaming press badly damaged the game's reputation in those years. So haughty and elitist. It was intimidating if you're not into fighters and annoying and pretentious if you were. They basically were saying everything you like sucks, our game is the real deal. Lame.
ienjoyrawfish
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Because it is.
I don't know why people conflated quality and depth with inaccessibility though. More often than not, the opposite is true, no?
Basketball
Member
Op stay away from Virtua FIghter
Coffee Dog
Banned
Sounds like how people talk about Dota.
Kuksune
Member
I did and i like VF so far. I am great with Akira and Jacky in DOA, but in VF it's a different story..
Soltype
Member
There's always low level play for any game, but the bold part is true.You will have to spend a good amount of time to be truly decent at VF.
I never got that feeling from the game, I was deep into tekken for a long time, and when I started playing VF I realized they weren't lying.The game is really is on another level.
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
I guess the infamous knee of Akira? But that's just really one move that is hard.
Nah, pre-VF3 it was the SPoD that got all the attention.
spazchicken
Member
I don't know about pro levels but on a mass-gamer/more causal level, Virtua Fighter is DoA without boobs, so it has even less appeal than that game does.
Virtua Fighter could use some more badass tunes too. I can't really remember much music except for Waterfalls from VF5, which is a hot track. Namco's sound team has always been better.
VF just needs to be accessible on modern platforms. It's not right now. No idea.
Honestly watching the VF finals at EVO are pretty exciting. I like them and KOF13.
VF just needs to be accessible on modern platforms. It's not right now. No idea.
Honestly watching the VF finals at EVO are pretty exciting. I like them and KOF13.
I remember the talk around VF being the deepest fighting game circa 2006 or 2007. A lot of it came from 1up, James Mielke, and Shane Bettenhausen. Back then there was a kind of beef between that side of the table and reviewers of other websites who thought games like Mortal Kombat Deception were okay. Some of that even started back in 2003 with comparisons between VF4 Evo and Soul Calibur 2. I think VF would do better in today's game criticism landscape. EVO and the FGC have made games writers much more aware of the depth in fighting games, even if it's only made them ore aware of their own ignorance of that depth. Plus, I think VF could carve out a unique identity as the relatively austere, no-nonsense game. I imagine it would do at least as well as KOF. The problem is getting the budget to maintain the level of graphics tech people expect from VF.
Anyway, is it too late to try out VF? I bought 4 Evo right before 5 hit consoles but never got time to really try it out. Then I bought 5 Final Showdown a few years ago and never got around to even booting it up. I don't even think I would attempt to find competition for either game, just mess around with the CPU and training mode.
Anyway, is it too late to try out VF? I bought 4 Evo right before 5 hit consoles but never got time to really try it out. Then I bought 5 Final Showdown a few years ago and never got around to even booting it up. I don't even think I would attempt to find competition for either game, just mess around with the CPU and training mode.
Finaika
Member
as long as it remains the best fighter on the market i don't care how it looks.
Looks good for a 10 year old game.
abstract alien
Member
The sound design is complete garbage, so if it ever comes back, hopefully they do better than the horrid chop/slap sounds and bad music from the others. I also found the animations a bit inconsistent. They went from amazing to subpar more often than I'd like in a fighter.
Of course it isn't late, it's best to stick to single player first when learning a fighting game anyway.
Here's a great starter tutorial that teaches you the basics of VF5 and more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boM7T3BWewY
Outrun
Member
They had that business with Judgement 6 organization right?
That sounds like how every fighting game gets promoted. Lord don't you dear try and play online unless you're willing to play competitively or you like always losing, so hard you have no clue what happened.
And this sounds like the fighting game community as a whole,
That's a tricky subject
I feel like the "purity" of VF was always part of its charm. OP is basically asking the developers to ruin that, and I don't think it's necessary because it's not what got the series up to this level.
VF is unique enough as it is, which is ironically because it's the one series that doesn't try so hard to be unique. It doesn't reinvent itself, it doesn't change its art style, it doesn't dump a bunch of money into some useless cut-scenes or background explosions to give itself the appearance of extra value. It is what it is, and historically, the more it sticks to that, the better it sells.
I feel like the "purity" of VF was always part of its charm. OP is basically asking the developers to ruin that, and I don't think it's necessary because it's not what got the series up to this level.
VF is unique enough as it is, which is ironically because it's the one series that doesn't try so hard to be unique. It doesn't reinvent itself, it doesn't change its art style, it doesn't dump a bunch of money into some useless cut-scenes or background explosions to give itself the appearance of extra value. It is what it is, and historically, the more it sticks to that, the better it sells.
Virtua Fighter 2's soundtrack is god tier though. The rest aren't as good, but that one easily stands alongside Tekken's best, and significantly above Tekken's recent average. Also, whilst I'd agree that Namco's sound team for Tekken has been better than Sega's for Virtua Fighter, I certainly wouldn't place Namco's sound team over Sega's overall... no way.
Nah, not at all. VF is reasonably easy to get into compared to quite a few of the other well known fighters. I'd say that someone's far more screwed trying to for example jump into Tekken Tag 2 from the ground up. If you're looking to mostly just fight the AI, I would recommend the original release of VF5 over Final Showdown, as the quest mode helps keep the game reasonably interesting for quite a while solo. VF4 Evo's quest mode would be even better if you don't mind playing a slightly older entry (don't bother trying to play it on a PS3 though... framerate goes crazy). The AI was surprisingly good in 4, whereas they're quite easily exploited in 5 by comparison.
5R has some good tracks, though not nearly as catchy as Tekken fare.
CrispyBoar
Banned
While I agree with a PC port of FS, what would be the point of a VF collection? There's really no reason to do so, not when people can play as all of the characters through VF5:FS or through VF6 with updated graphics.
The games were pretty cutting-edge when they came out and would be interesting on a historical basis, and I think some of them haven't ever had arcade perfect home releases. Also 3 had different gameplay from the other ones.
ZeroTheShadow
Member
Who do you think you are kidding? Lol
check the numbers if you dont believe me. tekken had eight people at CC.
It'd be beyond sad if Virtua Fighter had to go the fanservice route
We're living times when even Street Fighter is doing the DOA.
LowerLevel
Member
Take VF over any other fighter, in a heartbeat! Need that BC stat MS!
Yeah same, especially since VF3 is my favourite one.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
I'll play devil's advocate here:
Not everyone wants Chunky Monkey, Cherry Garcia, Moosetracks, or Snickers-Blasted ice cream. Some people just want solid, quality, simple vanilla. And there's nothing wrong with doing one thing and doing it really well. Vanilla ice cream is delicious. No frills, no needless complexity or flashiness. Just straight-forward, rock-solid fundamentals.
Not everyone wants Chunky Monkey, Cherry Garcia, Moosetracks, or Snickers-Blasted ice cream. Some people just want solid, quality, simple vanilla. And there's nothing wrong with doing one thing and doing it really well. Vanilla ice cream is delicious. No frills, no needless complexity or flashiness. Just straight-forward, rock-solid fundamentals.
Rabid Dwarf 76
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Cindi Mayweather
Member
Oneida post those Vanessa gifs and prove him wrong.
i think some people just need sparks and lasers and the rest of it, i dont judge, its just not what i look for in fgs personally
Cindi Mayweather
Member
POST THE VANESSA GIFS, ONEIDA-SAN.
It'd be beyond sad if Virtua Fighter had to go the fanservice route
A completely unprecedented tragedy.
Cindi Mayweather
Member
Which makes no sense given VF4's initial western success.
So lewd! I say, let's keep all fanservice in fighting games this lewd forever
ZeroTheShadow
Member
Thanks for proving my point. How many did the side VF tournament have? 16? Congratulations you had one 16 man tournament. Game has no players. Your scene did it to itself.
DryEyeRelief
Member
Put magneto in it, x factor, add assists and get yipes to create memes for it
a bit touchy ZTS? could tekken 5 have pulled in a 40+ man tournament in 2015? a VF game just as old did
I appreciate this series and will continue to support it. The main thing that bugs me is the inconsistency of the gravity. It bothers me like a thorn on the sole how the gravity changes when Vanessa does her 9P Superman punch compared to the glide from the jump while holding guard. Same thing with other jumping moves like Sarah's 9PKG vs regular jump. I really wish they would've kept the realistic gravity universal across vertical movement, move lists, and juggles.
Sound effects could use some improvement but not a deal breaker.
However, the unique throw animations on Taka is some of the most visually satisfying things possible to witness in fighting games. Other games need to steal that.
Sound effects could use some improvement but not a deal breaker.
However, the unique throw animations on Taka is some of the most visually satisfying things possible to witness in fighting games. Other games need to steal that.
Wow... no need to be a dick about it...
You posted that VF would be alive if there were VF "players" rather than VF "fanboys". He responds to state that he's a current VF player. He also remarks that the tournament he went to had more VF players than Tekken players (seemingly factually correct). He wasn't "trying to fool" anyone, and he's not proving your point at all. He just happens to be one of the exceptions that's still actively playing a game that hasn't had a proper new entry in ten years.... which is a weird criteria to demand from any fanbase tbh.
