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Visual Novels Community Thread | A Little Something for Everyone
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Sigh, ok so I looked into this issue since I thought this looked like a strange development based on that single picture posted of the forums. Doubt the answers will make everyone happy but I tried my best.
- So apparently the person who started that thread had started similar threads before, and was told that we (SP) was asking for permission to speak about the development decisions of the game, since that is handled in Japan and not by us. Meaning we didn't make the resolution decision.
-Making another thread, someone just got tired of it and decided it would be a good idea to delete the thread (which it is not, discussions should be free and open). When the thread was deleted, the OP began to copy paste his posts into other threads and these were deleted as well,
-Most of us were unaware, and this just spiraled into silliness. The explanation is simply that this decision wasn't ours to make (CG cropping), but we actually been investigating if we can offer something in the future. That's all that was needed to be said.
So I apologize. Trust me I would have handled that much differently, but I wasn't around when it happened, I was singing Boyz II Men songs in the shower peacefully.
- So apparently the person who started that thread had started similar threads before, and was told that we (SP) was asking for permission to speak about the development decisions of the game, since that is handled in Japan and not by us. Meaning we didn't make the resolution decision.
-Making another thread, someone just got tired of it and decided it would be a good idea to delete the thread (which it is not, discussions should be free and open). When the thread was deleted, the OP began to copy paste his posts into other threads and these were deleted as well,
-Most of us were unaware, and this just spiraled into silliness. The explanation is simply that this decision wasn't ours to make (CG cropping), but we actually been investigating if we can offer something in the future. That's all that was needed to be said.
So I apologize. Trust me I would have handled that much differently, but I wasn't around when it happened, I was singing Boyz II Men songs in the shower peacefully.
Basileus777
Member
Sekai Project also posted an official response
They could have handled this a lot better by saying this earlier instead of locking/deleting threads talking about it. It's also strange that they were blindsided by this considering they went through the exact same thing with Clannad and chose to keep the original aspect ratio.
Spreading too thin and trusting people that can't handle their jobs will be an issue for Sekai Project going forward. I don't follow the visual novel background closely, but I've read time and time the issues with the Sakura games not being to the taste of Sekai Project and a few translators who have a loud mouth. Get it together, Sekai Project. Once you become Phil Fish, you're dead.
While I don't disagree with this, the problem is that this was even a problem in the first place. I feel like I'm watching this scene from monty python and it makes all of you look bad. You should probably figure out a way to standardize your PR policies before you hurt your image even more, there are already enough communication issues as is.
Oh we are working effortlessly with this. Our Twitter is now run by a very talented dude and I take care of a lot of outstanding issues that were prevalent before I stepped on board. Problem is that some keep forgetting they are not part of a fan community effort anymore and an actual company, so certain kneejerk reaction happen.
It's getting much better though.
R_thanatos
Member
i guess i understand , but goddam, you have work to do.
It must be hard being the level-headed mature employee trying to clean up after other employee's messes all over the internet.
I always work hard and it already requires long days and hours. Part of my effort is also be as open and transparent with you guys since I appreciate the community here and I know our company actually does really good work and treats everyone working with SP really really well, so I try to be here to at least keep everyone here up to speed.
Stuff like today frustrates me just as much as you, and it was dealt with lightning quick when everyone became aware.
Stuff like today frustrates me just as much as you, and it was dealt with lightning quick when everyone became aware.
Basileus777
Member
From our short time meeting, you and Chris are extremely cool people and I know will eventually sort things out. Hang on to your sanity.
And still no word on an 18+ version.
Basileus777
Member
It's a direct sequel, so yes. And there is no non-h version.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Yeah not getting Maou like that.
Basileus777
Member
Yeah, I don't think any of that is necessary. Their community management and communication is still terrible, but down voting reviews isn't going to accomplish anything.
The timing is terrible, I'm already swamped with more games to play than I have time. It'll be on sale again in a few months, I'll see what they with do with the whole CG thing and think about it then.
Why? SP deserves to be punished for their completely reprehensible actions. Censoring people? Do you really want to support that? If people see it has a negative rating, maybe they'll think twice after they find out why.
Just in case people are unaware of the whole issue with the Steam release of G-senjou no maou:
http://i.imgur.com/7YAr7j8.png (Potential spoilers, I guess.)
http://i.imgur.com/7YAr7j8.png (Potential spoilers, I guess.)
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Can't even see the delicious sashimi in the cropped version.
You lose a lot of the context with just that CG, I'm worried about the other ones.
Oh, and just as a disclaimer, that image is from r/visualnovels.
Today is a busy day, but I'll pop in here to answer some comments (and any questions should there be any)
So about the cropping. I spoken about this in the past, but the cropping was not done by us, it was done by AKABEiSOFT2 (they did this with their prior string of games as well). It was something we recognized earlier, and have been in constant discussion about with them, but we can't force their hands.
I understand the reason for and why you make light of this repeatedly, Shizuka, cause cropping can detract be it in movies, games or whatever medium. Not trying to take away that right in you feeling and expressing that, totally cool by me, but it's a double edged sword cause by encouraging to sit it out due to that issue, the dev is likely to say that there is no interest which makes our negotiations just that much harder.
And Jazz573, I believe doing call to action type posting like that is against GAF rules, and not to mention its a little childish to try to instigate such a thing. I was here talking extensively about that issue when it happened and cleared it up. So again, I have problem with any sort of feedback, negative or positive, and am always open to having a fine discussion. You keep saying "they" but everyone, including dovac who got the proper clearance to talk about it as soon as he was aware what had happened, quickly dealt with that situation. I'm sorry one person's irrational behavior in that situation soured you, but do try not to make my job so much harder, especially since you are always welcome to contact me either here or privately with any issues.
So about the cropping. I spoken about this in the past, but the cropping was not done by us, it was done by AKABEiSOFT2 (they did this with their prior string of games as well). It was something we recognized earlier, and have been in constant discussion about with them, but we can't force their hands.
I understand the reason for and why you make light of this repeatedly, Shizuka, cause cropping can detract be it in movies, games or whatever medium. Not trying to take away that right in you feeling and expressing that, totally cool by me, but it's a double edged sword cause by encouraging to sit it out due to that issue, the dev is likely to say that there is no interest which makes our negotiations just that much harder.
And Jazz573, I believe doing call to action type posting like that is against GAF rules, and not to mention its a little childish to try to instigate such a thing. I was here talking extensively about that issue when it happened and cleared it up. So again, I have problem with any sort of feedback, negative or positive, and am always open to having a fine discussion. You keep saying "they" but everyone, including dovac who got the proper clearance to talk about it as soon as he was aware what had happened, quickly dealt with that situation. I'm sorry one person's irrational behavior in that situation soured you, but do try not to make my job so much harder, especially since you are always welcome to contact me either here or privately with any issues.
It's not the only thing stopping me from buying the game at this moment. I have several other games to play, as a game reviewer, and most of the PC games I buy are always from sales, since they always get stuck at the end of my backlog. I was very interested in buying it, since it was highly-recommended by a friend, but the way it's now, at the end of the year, during the holidays rush, with several games to play before I'd ever get to it, it's just not feasible or responsible for me to buy the game right now. Oh, and it bears to mention that Clannad is also getting released this month, that'd come before G-senjou no maou in my list. (Not that I owe anyone any explanation, but I thought I'd share anyway.)
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Honestly I still would have gotten it if it was Sharin no Kuni since I liked it more but it's not so waiting to see if this is fixed.
Basileus777
Member
On the other hand, that's the state you released the game in. Encouraging people to buy it based off some vague and perhaps unlikely hope that the CGs will be patched later on is hardly a great idea.
And to be honest, I'm not sure how I feel about a company employee coming in here and telling us not to discuss it because we might discourage people. It's a bit...heavy handed.
My apologies for butting in, but yes, the actions of one worker absolutely reflects on the entire company, which is more than enough reason for the VN community to act they what they are towards SP. I understand it makes your life/job harder, and that sucks, but quite frankly that something to expect from a position of PR... the actions of one reflect on the whole.
Additionally, this isn't the first problem people are having with SP in general, so it's understandable if this may be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
I'm really thankful that you are going out of your way to come to places like here and trying to clean up your co-workers messes, but at current many's faith in SP are going to be low, especially since questionable actions are continuing to happen (explained or otherwise).
God I hope I haven't been reading the situation wrong
calc84maniac
Member
Downvoting people's honest opinions just to push an agenda against the publisher makes you just as bad as them. And the downvotes aren't going to make people more informed. How about upvoting reviews that point out the issues you're concerned about?
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
This makes more sense than your plan Jazz.
I suppose it's not as serious as I made it out to be. I guess the whole Darksiders thing got me more upset about this than I would have otherwise. Sorry about that.
Not buying a product because it's not to expectations is pretty normal. In essence it's voting with wallet. (See: Significant number of people passing on Zestiria on Steam despite being something of a landmark historical event of Tales coming to PC because 30fps)
I dunno, I guess it sends a message to publisher and dev?
Mass-downvoting is just scummy though.
edit: Page was open for a while and was reading all the pre-edit stuff. Disregard last.
I dunno, I guess it sends a message to publisher and dev?
Mass-downvoting is just scummy though.
edit: Page was open for a while and was reading all the pre-edit stuff. Disregard last.
Each heroine has her own route, in which MC falls in love with her. No affection points as far as I remember, just pick the right choices for the heroine you want to go.
Usami is the exception though
Thanks! That's what I was thinking it'd be. How many routes are there? I'm guessing 5, based on the number of girls in the promo pic on Steam.
Basileus777
Member
There's a lot of romance in it. The main route is mostly a thriller, but even there romance is important.
Actually 4, including the main route.
Thanks! It'll stay on my wishlist for now, at least. I'll see how I feel once my schedule opens up.
Basileus777
Member
Basileus777
Member
It's one day of sampling. It probably sold terribly, but that's not enough time for Steamspy, which is pretty unreliable for sales under 10k anyway.
I don't think it'll ever reach 10k sales.