Vita PSN Game And Service Thread

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I'm keeping my Vita inside the box my Kindle Touch came in for now. I'm hoping there's a case that will fit the Vita without having to take this HORI grip off first.

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I've got the Hori grip and I use the microfibre bag that came with my Oakley Snow Goggles. It's a perfect fit.
 
I honestly had no idea 30 FPS changed that.

It can.
There's a reason all the action game fanatics are bitching about DmC being 30fps... ;)
And fighters are pretty much always 60fps these days. Ask the frame data wizards about it sometime... +6 on block, -8 on hit... what does it all mean, Basil?

This is why it was better to keep MK on Vita 60fps and make the models lower polygon count and lower res textures. Still looks good in action, *feels* like the console version, the timing is the same, etc.
 
Fighters definitely need to remain at standard frame rates because frame data and consistency matters. But I'm not seeing how a portable action game would somehow no longer have solid gameplay. Bayonetta isn't a bad game because it dips to 25 on the 360.

I understand it's just your typical 'lament the masses' comment, but I had to point it out.

Nothing will stand against my crusade for native resolution.
 
It can.
There's a reason all the action game fanatics are bitching about DmC being 30fps... ;)
And fighters are pretty much always 60fps these days. Ask the frame data wizards about it sometime... +6 on block, -8 on hit... what does it all mean, Basil?

This is why it was better to keep MK on Vita 60fps and make the models lower polygon count and lower res textures. Still looks good in action, *feels* like the console version, the timing is the same, etc.


Is it not better to optimise your game so it looks and runs as well on the handheld ? umvc3 is 60fps and that looks amazingballs i guess that has a lot to do with the art style but still.


Do all previous dmc games run at 60fps ?

I remember when i tried to start getting into fighting games. The fact that people read frame data still scares the shizz out of me. This move has negative frames on startup wtf ?



Fighters definitely need to remain at standard frame rates because frame data and consistency matters. But I'm not seeing how a portable action game would somehow no longer have solid gameplay. Bayonetta isn't a bad game because it dips to 25 on the 360.

I understand it's just your typical 'lament the masses' comment, but I had to point it out.

Nothing will stand against my crusade for native resolution.

I think its the same for extreme action games like dmc/bayonetta ? For crazy hardcore peeps its changes the gameplay quite a bit. when playing Dmc on hell or hell. a drop in frame rate can be the difference between well hell and hell
 
Fighters definitely need to remain at standard frame rates because frame data and consistency matters. But I'm not seeing how a portable action game would somehow no longer have solid gameplay. Bayonetta isn't a bad game because it dips to 25 on the 360.

I understand it's just your typical 'lament the masses' comment, but I had to point it out.

Nothing will stand against my crusade for native resolution.
ALL VITA GAMES SHOULD BE NATIVE RES AND HAVE STABLE FRAME RATE SONY!!!
 
Some are really defending, or justifying Sony's memory prices? lol...

Sony needs to make money sure...they also need to sell hardware, and if their memory is the only thing making them money...lol

Astronomically high prices on the memory have pushed people away from the system. And really, how do you want to go DD on a system when you don't initially include at least some onboard memory?
 
Some are really defending, or justifying Sony's memory prices? lol...

Sony needs to make money sure...they also need to sell hardware, and if their memory is the only thing making them money...lol

Astronomically high prices on the memory have pushed people away from the system. And really, how do you want to go DD on a system when you don't initially include at least some onboard memory?

I think the memory prices are too high but they are nothing like what Apple charges. Apple charges $100 for an extra 16GB and $200 for an extra 48GB.

I'm not defending Sony at all but it is not just the memory prices that are pushing people away. If that was the case Apple would never sell a 32 or 64 GB iDevice.
 
Why do we need to bring Apple into everything? why not looking at Vita direct rival instead and its great memory solution?

anyway..Vita memory cards are freaking overpriced and Sony need to lower the prices if they want anyone to take Vita seriously.
 
Why do we need to bring Apple into everything? why not looking at Vita direct rival instead and it's great memory solution?

anyway..Vita memory cards are freaking overpriced and Sony need to lower the prices if they want anyone to take Vita seriously.
Yup
 
Fighters definitely need to remain at standard frame rates because frame data and consistency matters. But I'm not seeing how a portable action game would somehow no longer have solid gameplay. Bayonetta isn't a bad game because it dips to 25 on the 360.

I understand it's just your typical 'lament the masses' comment, but I had to point it out.

Nothing will stand against my crusade for native resolution.

Input windows for dodges, getting the right timing on combos, etc. are all affected by framerate and framerate stutters/dips. Bayonetta is a horrible game when it dips to 25. Do I still think it's playable? Yes. Would it be utterly amazing at a locked 60fps? It would melt people's brains.

Framerate has to be solidly locked, no dips... hell, even in shmups, it's ridiculous (I'm looking at you Sine Mora for Vita). And if a series has been repeatedly created at 60fps, it is no longer the same experience; if they really want "console experiences on the go", MK had it right and NGS+ has something to learn. :)
 
Fighters definitely need to remain at standard frame rates because frame data and consistency matters. But I'm not seeing how a portable action game would somehow no longer have solid gameplay. Bayonetta isn't a bad game because it dips to 25 on the 360.

I understand it's just your typical 'lament the masses' comment, but I had to point it out.

Nothing will stand against my crusade for native resolution.

When does Bayonetta dip to 25 fps on the 360?
 
Input windows for dodges, getting the right timing on combos, etc. are all affected by framerate and framerate stutters/dips. Bayonetta is a horrible game when it dips to 25. Do I still think it's playable? Yes. Would it be utterly amazing at a locked 60fps? It would melt people's brains.

Framerate has to be solidly locked, no dips... hell, even in shmups, it's ridiculous (I'm looking at you Sine Mora for Vita). And if a series has been repeatedly created at 60fps, it is no longer the same experience; if they really want "console experiences on the go", MK had it right and NGS+ has something to learn. :)

MK also looked like 3 types of ass. Im not one obsessed by visuals but god NG+ was so much better.
 
Number 2. Do you know anywhere to purchase it where it isn't obscenely expensive?

You really don't want it. The fabric those type of cases are made out of get dirty and bad looking really easily. I had a similar case for my DSi and it looks like crap now where I had to get a new one. It looked awesome at first but it got dirty quickly.
 
They make money on the console with the memory card prices, they wont drop anytime soon. Besides, the 32GB cards often have times where they are sold out because the demand is bigger than the supply.

Now ask yourself: Would you drop the price on an item that in quite a few instances has bigger demand than supply?

Edit: Top of the page $5,99 Alundra (PS1) recommendation:


Best Zelda type game. Period.
Lol at bigger demand than supply

Right now, the vita memory card is ranked #340 on Amazon, yet it's $10 off MSRP.

There is a reason the vita is not selling well, and memory cards happen to be one of them
 
Lol at bigger demand than supply

Right now, the vita memory card is ranked #340 on Amazon, yet it's $10 off MSRP.

There is a reason the vita is not selling well, and memory cards happen to be one of them

Reading comprehension. You are missing it.
And logical fallacies. You have too much of them.
 
Lol at bigger demand than supply

Right now, the vita memory card is ranked #340 on Amazon, yet it's $10 off MSRP.

There is a reason the vita is not selling well, and memory cards happen to be one of them

Amazon ranking doesn't matter if the cards are selling out at the current price point. If you lower the price of the cards then you won't be pushing more cards because you're already selling out.

There is a argument to be made that the prices of cards is making people shy away, but I don't think that argument holds water. Most people I talk to about the Vita say 'What's a Vita?' not 'You mean that console with egregiously expensive memory?' People are used to paying premium prices for memory, and some people aren't ready to jump feet first into the all digital world of 32GB regardless of price.
 
Amazon ranking doesn't matter if the cards are selling out at the current price point. If you lower the price of the cards then you won't be pushing more cards because you're already selling out.

There is a argument to be made that the prices of cards is making people shy away, but I don't think that argument holds water. Most people I talk to about the Vita say 'What's a Vita?' not 'You mean that console with egregiously expensive memory?' People are used to paying premium prices for memory, and some people aren't ready to jump feet first into the all digital world of 32GB regardless of price.
My point was that the card is NOT selling out at Amazon (or anywhere else for that matter), despite the card being cheaper than everywhere else.
 
My point was that the card is NOT selling out at Amazon (or anywhere else for that matter), despite the card being cheaper than everywhere else.

It does regularly sell out on Amazon and in Pittsburgh stores. Though, to be perfectly fair, it may regularly sell out because they only keep 5 in stock. Who knows.
 
My point was that the card is NOT selling out at Amazon (or anywhere else for that matter), despite the card being cheaper than everywhere else.

It did. I was following the 32gb card prices since launch and they were selling out quite a few times on several places. The release week with AC/VLR and PS+ dawning on the horizon for example? I encountered quite a few shops that were sold out on 32gb cards, online and retail.

It does regularly sell out on Amazon and in Pittsburgh stores. Though, to be perfectly fair, it may regularly sell out because they only keep 5 in stock. Who knows.

That is a valid point though, yeah.
Still most people arent concerned about the memory card prices since the retail model is still quite engrained into peoples minds. I bet there are a few on GAF sticking to 4GB still as well and dont care too much about the memory card prices if going retail with all their games.
 
Not sure where to post this.

Youtube got it's "I'm now perfect" update.

All subscriptions and favorite folders are now viewable.

Also, more settings available, including continuous playback, and other things.
 
It does regularly sell out on Amazon and in Pittsburgh stores. Though, to be perfectly fair, it may regularly sell out because they only keep 5 in stock. Who knows.
That card has not sold out in Amazon for the past couple of months.

The point is, Sony will be forced to lower their memory prices eventually, whether they want to or not.
 
It does regularly sell out on Amazon and in Pittsburgh stores. Though, to be perfectly fair, it may regularly sell out because they only keep 5 in stock. Who knows.

Well this what I'm thinking of too, if other sales are so low they might not be willing to hold any real amount of stock on higher end items like 32gb cards since it would just cost them money for storing. We have no way to know though.
 
MK also looked like 3 types of ass. Im not one obsessed by visuals but god NG+ was so much better.

Of course it did -- it was at least half the framerate.
And in motion at 60fps, MK looks fine. It's the pre-fight and post-fight closeups or screen captures where it looks bad.

gameplay > graphics, any day.

The models were worse than I was expecting, but I'd much rather take that sacrifice for the exact same gameplay.

Yup!
 
That card has not sold out in Amazon for the past couple of months.

The point is, Sony will be forced to lower their memory prices eventually, whether they want to or not.

You are wrong. They simply need to lower the system price and people will eat it up. Case in point: black friday deals. Lower the system price by 50 bucks, keep the memory cards at 100 = profit.

Lowering the memory card price wont give them any momentum with unit sales at all (though memory card sales from existing Vita owners would rise). Its a bit of a scam, but most people jump on cheaper unit prices, not the memory card prices. I imagine some people probably had a rude awakening to the memory card prices after buying the console.
 
You are wrong. They simply need to lower the system price and people will eat it up. See the black friday deals. Lower the system price by 50 bucks, keep the memory cards at 100 = profit.

Lowering the memory card price wont give them any momentum with unit sales at all.

I agree, external memory pricing is not going to drive sales of Vita units because most people don't care or understand that this thing is capable of going 100% digital. Physical games are still the norm for everything that's not a Phone and external storage is just a plus.

Besides, we're getting a GREAT deal compared to people who are still stuck on the PS2

http://www.gamestop.com/ps2/accessories/sony-playstation-2-memory-card-8mb/3980
 
And lest we all forget we're spending $50 a year on PSPlus which will also eventually require us to buy more memory cards. It's a vicious cycle.
 
Changing the MC topic... the other day I got excited thinking about the possibility of Demon's Souls Vita (because it's a Sony game and the series is popular) but I think the lack of L2/R2 would make the game impossible.

Can anyone think of a good alternative control method? Because L2/R2 are fundamental inputs for the game and couldn't be mapped to the back or front touch.
 
And lest we all forget we're spending $50 a year on PSPlus which will also eventually require us to buy more memory cards. It's a vicious cycle.

I get a weird satisfaction out of knowing that I own the biggest memory card I can put in the system. If they announce a 64gb one, I'll be a very unhappy camper
until I buy it

Changing the MC topic... the other day I got excited thinking about the possibility of Demon's Souls Vita (because it's a Sony game and the series is popular) but I think the lack of L2/R2 would make the game impossible.

Can anyone think of a good alternative control method? Because L2/R2 are fundamental inputs for the game and couldn't be mapped to the back or front touch.

Cant remember, what was R1/2 + L1/2 mapped to?
 
I get a weird satisfaction out of knowing that I own the biggest memory card I can put in the system. If they announce a 64gb one, I'll be a very unhappy camper
until I buy it



Cant remember, what was R1/2 + L1/2 mapped to?
Light and heavy attacks/defence.
 
Changing the MC topic... the other day I got excited thinking about the possibility of Demon's Souls Vita (because it's a Sony game and the series is popular) but I think the lack of L2/R2 would make the game impossible.

Can anyone think of a good alternative control method? Because L2/R2 are fundamental inputs for the game and couldn't be mapped to the back or front touch.

Maybe make left shoulder and right shoulders the arms arm and do something with the face buttons for the other two (heavy), then put the remaining buttons as use item/run and then place the 1/2 hand toggle and item usage on the touch screen?
 
Light and heavy attacks/defence.

Just put the triangle and square buttons on the touch screen (consume item and toggle one hand/two hand stance) and you got 2 buttons free for attacks.

Obviously a crude solution, but I bet there is a more elegant solution to the issue which people that think about these issues daily could find.
 
I think the memory prices are too high but they are nothing like what Apple charges. Apple charges $100 for an extra 16GB and $200 for an extra 48GB.

I'm not defending Sony at all but it is not just the memory prices that are pushing people away. If that was the case Apple would never sell a 32 or 64 GB iDevice.

Because Apple has created a culture among it's customers where they're willing to pay a premium for their products. Sony does not have that luxury with gamers.


Amazon ranking doesn't matter if the cards are selling out at the current price point. If you lower the price of the cards then you won't be pushing more cards because you're already selling out.

There is a argument to be made that the prices of cards is making people shy away, but I don't think that argument holds water. Most people I talk to about the Vita say 'What's a Vita?' not 'You mean that console with egregiously expensive memory?' People are used to paying premium prices for memory, and some people aren't ready to jump feet first into the all digital world of 32GB regardless of price.

Selling out doesn't matter if (like somebody already suggested) they only have 5 memories in stock.

Also, marketing is one part of the problem for the Vita, but it's not the only problem (or even their largest problem). Sony can have all the marketing in the world, and the Vita would still probably have the same problem (ask Microsoft how much their billions of marketing is helping the Surface).

Memory prices are generally falling. Who says consumers are used to paying a premium on memory (Apple products not withstanding) Why are we paying year 2000 prices for memory?


Still most people arent concerned about the memory card prices since the retail model is still quite engrained into peoples minds. I bet there are a few on GAF sticking to 4GB still as well and dont care too much about the memory card prices if going retail with all their games.

If Sony wants to stick with the retail model, fine. But Sony doesn't want that. Sony's slowly moving and transitioning over to the Direct Download model, and they should be encouraging that with cheaper memory cards AND on board memory. Also, PSP was almost completely a retail model, and those memory cards weren't nearly as expensive as the Vita ones.


You are wrong. They simply need to lower the system price and people will eat it up. Case in point: black friday deals. Lower the system price by 50 bucks, keep the memory cards at 100 = profit.

Lowering the memory card price wont give them any momentum with unit sales at all (though memory card sales from existing Vita owners would rise). Its a bit of a scam, but most people jump on cheaper unit prices, not the memory card prices. I imagine some people probably had a rude awakening to the memory card prices after buying the console.

Again, if Sony is depending on memory cards as a big part of their profit margin, then I'm sorry, they're in bigger trouble then I thought.

Black Friday is a one off, where consumers are buying irrationally and are pressured by a "time limit".

Permanently lowering the price but leaving the memory card prices enact will probably cripple any positive that would come with lowering the price on the unit. If I was a parent and was thinking of buying a PSVita for my kid (or a broke college student), I'd take a look at the additional costs, and wonder why I wouldn't buy a 3DS instead.
 
Permanently lowering the price but leaving the memory card prices enact will probably cripple any positive that would come with lowering the price on the unit. If I was a parent and was thinking of buying a PSVita for my kid (or a broke college student), I'd take a look at the additional costs, and wonder why I wouldn't buy a 3DS instead.

You have a big oversight in your logic. If you want to go full DD, then you are willing to pay extra. Thats simply how it is. Broke students will gladly pick up the 4GB card and get retail games that are 10$ cheaper than on PSN. If you are very much focussed on spending the least amount of money on the purchase, you wont go full DD, no matter how much the memory card prices cost (With some exceptions here and there of course).

Sony then sucks even those "retail" people into using PSN with PS+ which almost all users advertise. Then those people see the use of a bigger memory card and upgrade. It may take a while for some, but thats how it likely went for many.
 
You have a big oversight in your logic. If you want to go full DD, then you are willing to pay extra. Thats simply how it is. Broke students will gladly pick up the 4GB card and get retail games that are 10$ cheaper than on PSN. If you are very much focussed on spending the least amount of money on the purchase, you wont go full DD, no matter how the memory card prices cost.

$10 cheaper day 1. (gotta love newegg lol)
even more so a few months after release :P

Sony then sucks even those "retail" people into using PSN with PS+ which almost all users advertise. Then those people see the use of a bigger memory card and upgrade. It may take a while for some, but thats how it likely went for many.

I'm one of those retail people and am a happy PS+ user :P
i've yet to upgrade any sort of memory for plus though. Not even my PS3. I upgraded that one for rock band DLC and physical game installs. Plus came after :P
I will at some point upgrade my vita memory though and it will partially be plus' fault. but not until it costs less than $2 per gig for a 16gb or bigger card.
 
can someone explain how near works? what does it do? is it like spotpass on the 3ds?

it's tough to explain it in a nutshell, better to run it and explore it :) basically it shows Vita players up to a certain radius around you, and you can exchange game goods like Treasure Park sheets or challenges from LBP, also shows which games they are playing and which games are popular in your area etc.. I bring my Vita everywhere if there's a wifi hotspot to where I'm going, it doesn't even matter if you logged in the wifi, it remembers your location

hmmm didn't we have a thread for this?
 
Anyone know the date that the $10 refund goes out for buying $60 or more on PSN in November? I've seen talk it was today, the 6th.
 
Changing the MC topic... the other day I got excited thinking about the possibility of Demon's Souls Vita (because it's a Sony game and the series is popular) but I think the lack of L2/R2 would make the game impossible.

Can anyone think of a good alternative control method? Because L2/R2 are fundamental inputs for the game and couldn't be mapped to the back or front touch.

well L2/R2 are just the heavy attack (and jumping attack) and parry,so I see them working with rear touchpad. and also you can map them to the d-pad and let the magic/item be touch.



Edit: Buy Persona 4 Golden
 
it's suppose to come out today but it's like on GCT.

Oh nice, already forgot about that.

Well I might finally rebuy Alundra/Wild Arms digitally. Anyone here interested in going through it together? Lets play- thread style?

Both are 5,99$ individually.
 
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