Dr.Morris79
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Anyone who comes out with the bullshit that Elon is a Nazi now has the same brain mass as a regular Era poster, yes.
Wait what? Dafuq was this gesture by Musk???
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manfestival
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also kinda crazy that this deranged group actually sided against the nazi hysteria folk. what a timeMuch ado over nothing.
JORMBO
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There is nothing to apologize for. He said he "thanks everyone from the bottom of his heart", grabbed his heart and made an awkward wave. Context matters and it is not a nazi salute. The only thing he should do is ignore the media trying to create something out of nothing or tell them to fuck off.
Syphon Filter
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you people find anything to bitch about.
MikeM
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Dr.Morris79
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You'll be doing a lot of that now I guess
March Climber
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This means they have two choices. Try to convince you that they don't like Era, to which you won't believe them anyway, or double down, which leads to a thread dogpile. That's what makes the Era name drop the perfect trap.
Tams
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If you have proof that he's a Nazi, Neo-Nazi, Nazi sympathiser, post it.
Otherwise it was just a well meant gesture that he hadn't thought through how it might look to the eternally butt-hurt.
Dr.Morris79
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I doubt they'll have the energy after reading the Trump thread over there..This means they have two choices. Try to convince you that they don't like Era, to which you won't believe them anyway, or double down, which leads to a thread dogpile. That's what makes the Era name drop the perfect trap.
Jinxed
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This thread is gold, can put names on really dumb/bad faith users
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sharp weiner
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I would personally care more about the people that I hurt from misinterpreting my "awkward wave".
It's super easy to apologize for honest mistakes.
JORMBO
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Who is hurt? It's just already pissed off people looking for more stuff to be pissed off about. I'm not even sure what "hurt" would mean in this context.
Screw that. Freedom of speech and expression is great.
And compelled speech no matter how well intentioned is wrong.
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DeafTourette
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That wasn't the sequence of events. He made the salute TWICE and THEN said "my heart goes out to you" almost as an afterthought
MikeM
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This is free speech at its finest and its exactly what American voters demand.
JORMBO
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Yes, he waved to both sides of the crowd and then thanked them. The order of it doesn't really change anything.
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manfestival
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wait do you actually believe that he was intentionally doing a nazi salute? like for real?A wave
.. LMBO!!!
He calls it a "wave" ...
Dr.Morris79
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DeafTourette
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Wait .. did you actually think that WASN'T with his fingers in a perfect salute pose?
Not a good look, Elon.
I'll reserve full judgement because I need more than just an awkward hand salute to call someone a Hitler fanboy, but dude that isn't helping things and he gets some side eye for sure. Need to watch and see if there are any big actions and words that follow.
I'll reserve full judgement because I need more than just an awkward hand salute to call someone a Hitler fanboy, but dude that isn't helping things and he gets some side eye for sure. Need to watch and see if there are any big actions and words that follow.
Valedix
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Yes of course it was.
Audiophile
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Many autistic people will often make gestures in an exaggerated, jerky way.
It's as if -- despite your intentions -- you forget to make the gesture as you're naturally inhibited, then you actively make a point of doing it quickly, appearing awkward, forced and over the top. Often seizing up and repeating things too.
A great example is shaking hands. In the space of a few seconds you can go from intending to shake someone's hands to feeling a sense of social inhibition that stilts you, then you rapidly over-compensate while also trying to deal with the dynamics of the social situation, at which point you fling your hand up rapidly and literally miss the handshake or even hit the other persons hand.
Here, Elon is gesturing handing his heart out but overcompensating with a more rapid, intentional movement. A normal person would just decide to make the gesture and do it in a relaxed way because it's muscle memory and their mental bandwidth isn't being eaten up by completely different trains of thought.
It's the rapidity and intent that makes it look similar to a Nazi salute. You take that way and it's the "from the bottom of my heart.." gesture.
Even before all this, just assuming and asserting the worst is idiotic. It wouldn't even make sense.
It's as if -- despite your intentions -- you forget to make the gesture as you're naturally inhibited, then you actively make a point of doing it quickly, appearing awkward, forced and over the top. Often seizing up and repeating things too.
A great example is shaking hands. In the space of a few seconds you can go from intending to shake someone's hands to feeling a sense of social inhibition that stilts you, then you rapidly over-compensate while also trying to deal with the dynamics of the social situation, at which point you fling your hand up rapidly and literally miss the handshake or even hit the other persons hand.
Here, Elon is gesturing handing his heart out but overcompensating with a more rapid, intentional movement. A normal person would just decide to make the gesture and do it in a relaxed way because it's muscle memory and their mental bandwidth isn't being eaten up by completely different trains of thought.
It's the rapidity and intent that makes it look similar to a Nazi salute. You take that way and it's the "from the bottom of my heart.." gesture.
Even before all this, just assuming and asserting the worst is idiotic. It wouldn't even make sense.
manfestival
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so you DO believe it is a nazi salute. wild
DeafTourette
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I don't put nothing past anyone who's rich and supportive of an alt-right, racist party in Germany...
I'd believe it was a gesture of *my heart goes out to you* (which is usually done with two hands) if his fingers weren't rigid with his thumb curled into a salute... If his hand was relaxed, I'd believe it was an awkward gesture ... But they weren't, both times.
I'm autistic (Asperger's) also and I'm not buying it.
Dr.Morris79
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Well I've worked with quite a few autistic young adults and I can tell you they do this stuff all the time
Toons
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This argument is so fucking ridiculous it's not even funny. It's easy to find out-of-context photos of people extending their right arms to the sky. No one is arguing otherwise.
What is NOT easy to find is fucking this:
Now compare this to the Nazi Salute being performed by actual neo-nazi's last year:
Unbury your heads out of the fucking sand.
Don't see how anyone can dismiss tis honestly.
Im not gonna call him a nazi. I'll just let his dad compare him to them favorably.
Dirk Benedict
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This thread is wild.
In before:
In before:
Jaybe
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Don't see how anyone can dismiss tis honestly.
Im not gonna call him a nazi. I'll just let his dad compare him to them favorably.
the issacson bio on Musk paints his dad as a pathological liar, so tread lightly using his quotes as a source of anything
DeaDPo0L84
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I dont hate or love Elon, but people who constantly say he's stupid or whatever are hilarious. Does he say/do some dumb stuff sometimes? Of course, but on the whole he's legit a genius.
March Climber
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That makes Elon look worse.
Toons
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I mean musk is also one, but that doesn't mean everything he says is a lie. I dont think errols lying at all here.
Mistake
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The amount of hate for a guy with Aspergers who has trouble expressing himself is really something. It's hard for me to take anyone like that seriously on other issues when they can't even display a basic level of empathy. Does it look like he did a nazi salute? In a way yeah. But watching the video it's clear he meant he was sending his heart out to the crowd.
If you find yourself participating in this faux outrage over dumb shit Elon does, put the phone down. Hell, do volunteer work with special needs people and get some perspective.
I knew a guy with Aspergers once. He was real nice and you wouldn't know it unless you spent more time with him. It's like he had a piece of something missing and you couldn't explain it. But he was the same. He'd do things not knowing it was wrong or not think ahead first. Like washing dishes in the sink with knives under the water, or use his bank card without thinking at all what he had. When you gave him instructions you had to be very clear and direct. Point is, there's some things people don't understand until they lived it, and this is one of those.
If you find yourself participating in this faux outrage over dumb shit Elon does, put the phone down. Hell, do volunteer work with special needs people and get some perspective.
I knew a guy with Aspergers once. He was real nice and you wouldn't know it unless you spent more time with him. It's like he had a piece of something missing and you couldn't explain it. But he was the same. He'd do things not knowing it was wrong or not think ahead first. Like washing dishes in the sink with knives under the water, or use his bank card without thinking at all what he had. When you gave him instructions you had to be very clear and direct. Point is, there's some things people don't understand until they lived it, and this is one of those.
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Cyberpunkd
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As I don't like Mysk, but it wasn't a Nazi salute. Looks like "from his heart to the stars" thing.
Tell me that wasn't a nazi salute...
Red Crayon Aristocrat
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In the heat of the moment, being labeled Nazi constantly, I could see this being a slip, not intentional, not proof he's actually a Nazi.
Buuuuut probably in the back of his mind, sometimes awkward shit happens.
Buuuuut probably in the back of his mind, sometimes awkward shit happens.
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FeralEcho
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I think elon musk is one of the biggest,most narcisistic,luckiest retards on the planet but I feel like alot are reaching here....a nazi salute is firmer,militaristic in nature,this is just some guy throwing his hands out awkwardly at a crowd.
It's the equivalent of this:
To this:
It's the equivalent of this:
To this:
Brigandier
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Not a big fan of Musk, But fuck off calling that a Nazi salute 
honestly the hysteria from some of you emotional wrecks....
honestly the hysteria from some of you emotional wrecks....
Unknown?
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Ah, you're one of those people brainwashed into thinking everything is racist. I see why you are so adamant about this now.
Toons
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Same ppl who were hailing him as a badass businessman genius just a few months ago and now hes a poor asperges ridden guy who just can't control himself?
I got ADD and am on the spectrum, AND tourrettes syndrome. You will never find mr making anything close to a gesture like that in any setting, let alone on camera in one if the most important moments of my life lol.
Like it's not hard to not do a gesture that looks like a nazi salute. .. twice.
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Mistake
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Some of the smartest can fail completely in other areas. People on the spectrum are especially known for it. One thing I know about Tourettes is the more you suppress an urge, the more likely you are to burst. Imagine people calling you a piece of shit for your incidents when you don't mean it. I'm sure it's happened. You know Sweet Anita? They went after her, they can go after you
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JimmyRustler
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Everyone who claims this to be a Nazi salute should seek some help right there.
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