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"He is doing the things he said he would. Things that I dismissed as things he wouldn't actually do while simultaneously attacking Clinton for being untrustworthy and a liar."
WaPo: Only 3% of Trump voters regret their vote (and <1% would change to Clinton)
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"He is doing the things he said he would. Things that I dismissed as things he wouldn't actually do while simultaneously attacking Clinton for being untrustworthy and a liar."
plagiarize
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Yeah, you've really got to give people time to come to terms with being conned.
It's embarrassing to admit that you thought the emperor was wearing clothes. That takes time.
It's embarrassing to admit that you thought the emperor was wearing clothes. That takes time.
obijkenobi
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The poll was done at the wnd of Feb. Shit has gone real bad the last two weeks. Would be really interested in seeing next months version of this.
They didn't pray hard enough, they (or the loved one) did something wrong, it was their time/God's plan, etc.
"This one time state polls were off and now all polls are wrong"
captainpat
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I wanna agree with the whole "give it time" but the republicans have been fucking over people like these for so long and still they give them votes.
Dangansona
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This is the truth and it will never get better if the system stays the way it is.
Dahellisdat
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This seems somewhat disproportionate to his approval/disapproval ratings.
I don't get it....
I don't get it....
bggrthnjsus
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sample size
Dangansona
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reasoning or appealing to a lot of these folks is much harder than some think
It sucks that the onus is now on us to track down every lie he's said. I honestly can't remember the ammo to use against this man because he's a walking disaster and in my mind obviously so.
Yup.
But I doubt people who voted for Trump in the first place often allow things like negative ramifications and reason get in the way of letting the emotions and feelings that make them feel safe, secure, comfortable, and powerful decide things for them.
Perfect Blue
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Yup.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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After awhile even hardcore stans won't admit publicly to having voted for Trump
But they won't learn anything either
But they won't learn anything either
DontBeThatGuy
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Conducted before the abomination that is TrumpCare, correct?
reasoning or appealing to a lot of these folks is much harder than some think
As long as they're convinced letting women choose to not be pregnant anymore is equivalent to slaughtering entire battlefields full of defenseless, squirming five-month-year-olds with a rusty halberd, we've got our work cut out for us.
It does make us feel good and vindicated in a masturbatory way.
Have you actually looked at his approval ratings based on political party lines? That supports these numbers.
IamDodongo
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Accurate
parrotbeak
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It is not about changing their minds. It is about motivating people who lean progressive but don't vote.
whyamihere
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I think that for a lot of people, it's very hard to admit a mistake. And for people who were legitimately torn between Clinton and Trump (a position I will never understand, but whatever), they went in on Trump and are waiting to see what he will do.
A lot of people know that Trump is a bad guy, and still voted for him anyway. So everything that's happened so far? Not too surprising. He's a shit. But they expect him to deliver jobs and "be different". Unfortunately for them, the worst is probably yet to come. Starting with the AHCA.
This is probably a better question. My guess is that the younger voters who voted Johnson/Stein/didn't vote might switch to Hillary if we had to do a revote. Or not. Again -- it's hard to admit you were wrong. And if you accuse someone of being wrong, people tend to dig their heels in.
A lot of people know that Trump is a bad guy, and still voted for him anyway. So everything that's happened so far? Not too surprising. He's a shit. But they expect him to deliver jobs and "be different". Unfortunately for them, the worst is probably yet to come. Starting with the AHCA.
This is probably a better question. My guess is that the younger voters who voted Johnson/Stein/didn't vote might switch to Hillary if we had to do a revote. Or not. Again -- it's hard to admit you were wrong. And if you accuse someone of being wrong, people tend to dig their heels in.
Absolutely this. People hate to admit they got something badly wrong, even when the admission is anonymous. It's causes an uncomfortable amount of introspection which is easier dealt with by doubling down on the initial choice. The same thing is happening with Brexit over here - over 50% in my constituency voted for it, but you'd think is about a dozen judging by how little people admit to it.
Trump will probably win in 2020.
Maybe they haven't changed their view, they just don't want to be thought of (in their view wrongly) as an idiot or a racist.
Maybe they haven't changed their view, they just don't want to be thought of (in their view wrongly) as an idiot or a racist.
whyamihere
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Considering that we have no idea what the state of the economy will be in 2020, this feels like a prediction for predictions sake without actually understanding how much uncertainty we have going into the next election.
Phoenix RISING
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Even if it were 100%, it would still be too late.
Aaron Strife
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Real talk, very few Trump voters are ever going to admit that they fucked up to the point that they would have rather voted for Clinton.
The hope is that in 2020 they're so mad at Trump and we run a candidate with less baggage that we get enough of them to cross over (or ramp up turnout with non-voters), but they'll still hem and haw about how Clinton was worse.
John Kerry would have been an infinitely better president than Bush, and I'd even say Obama. But the perception is always going to be that he lost 04 because he was a worse option than Bush.
The hope is that in 2020 they're so mad at Trump and we run a candidate with less baggage that we get enough of them to cross over (or ramp up turnout with non-voters), but they'll still hem and haw about how Clinton was worse.
John Kerry would have been an infinitely better president than Bush, and I'd even say Obama. But the perception is always going to be that he lost 04 because he was a worse option than Bush.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Given his age, health, and Russian friends I'd say it's equally likely that he croaks before 2020
incumbents usually win, we'll probably be at war again and wartime presidents have never lost, and we'll be counting on the hilariously incompetent democratic party to oppose him
Earthbound64
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People don't understand statistics.
whyamihere
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We can't say, "he'll probably win in 2020" because we literally have no idea how 2020 will look! He has incumbency advantage, but now much worse job approval than Carter and HW Bush. So, like, who the fuck knows? I'm not ready to make any statement on 2020. No one should!
There's no point in being unnecessarily defeatist over something that's so far in the future that we don't really have context for it.
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