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Warcraft |OT| You Are Not Prepared
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Idk, I don't consider Game of Thrones to be a "tour de force" or a "great adaptation" either. It's a passably entertaining pulp fantasy series with tits and blood. So if you're saying that Warcraft is worse than that, it sounds pretty bad!
why do you have to remind me of that horrible moment. damn that CGI was bad.
Amen. Most people don't watch GoT because it is a great adaption or something intellectual. They want to be shocked by the character deaths and want to see some nice boobies.
Well personally I don't how the movie is since I haven't seen it but I understand what the people are trying to say when they say "they liked it but..." But for what things sound like it probably is worse than Game of Thrones, but sounds probably still watchable and maybe even enjoyable.
Personally I had wished it was an exceptionally good movie, the Holy Grail of Videogame movies, but unfortunately it doesn't seem that'll be the case if these early impressions are something to go by.
Kathanan
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well f*ck the critics.. i belive in these http://imgur.com/Y95qpkl
Watched it yesterday.
Warcraft was my game to go when I was young. I am 26 now.
Bought Warcraft 3 and Frozen Throne on release. Play them to this day still with some friends sometimes. And of course I played Warcraft + 2 and the expansions before WC3 even (even though I didn't really play it for the story back then)
Played World of Warcraft (since NA beta and then EU release) including Burning Crusade and I came back for every free trial (about 40 days play time overall).
Consumed the lore here and there like a champ just to understand the whole thing.
I wanted this movie for years back then when WoW was still fresh and now I watched it with a friend of mine with whom I played together all these years.
We are damn disappointed, because this movie lacks structure, pacing, tid bits for fans are missing, it looks kinda cheap even though it looks expensive (does that make sense?). I love how the world looks in that real life look, but everything else was just bad and I am a Warcraft fan.
Warcraft was my game to go when I was young. I am 26 now.
Bought Warcraft 3 and Frozen Throne on release. Play them to this day still with some friends sometimes. And of course I played Warcraft + 2 and the expansions before WC3 even (even though I didn't really play it for the story back then)
Played World of Warcraft (since NA beta and then EU release) including Burning Crusade and I came back for every free trial (about 40 days play time overall).
Consumed the lore here and there like a champ just to understand the whole thing.
I wanted this movie for years back then when WoW was still fresh and now I watched it with a friend of mine with whom I played together all these years.
We are damn disappointed, because this movie lacks structure, pacing, tid bits for fans are missing, it looks kinda cheap even though it looks expensive (does that make sense?). I love how the world looks in that real life look, but everything else was just bad and I am a Warcraft fan.
Watched it yesterday.
Warcraft was my game to go when I was young. I am 26 now.
Bought Warcraft 3 and Frozen Throne on release. Play them to this day still with some friends sometimes. And of course I played Warcraft + 2 and the expansions before WC3 even (even though I didn't really play it for the story back then)
Played World of Warcraft (since NA beta and then EU release) including Burning Crusade and I came back for every free trial (about 40 days play time overall).
Consumed the lore here and there like a champ just to understand the whole thing.
I wanted this movie for years back then when WoW was still fresh and now I watched it with a friend of mine with whom I played together all these years.
We are damn disappointed, because this movie lacks structure, pacing, tid bits for fans are missing, it looks kinda cheap even though it looks expensive (does that make sense?). I love how the world looks in that real life look, but everything else was just bad and I am a Warcraft fan.
Nice to hear these kinds of opinions, whatever they may be, hopefully they keep coming to help me wait for June.
Alright, I've seen it last night. Very mild spoilers in my post I guess, and I'll try to tag them.
First of all, I'm a huge Warcraft fan. I've been playing the strategy games since I was a kid, and my WoW subscription is still running since day one, with the ten year anniversary thank you statue proudly displayed in my house.
The movie was a mess. There's some very high points, like the Orcs, some of the cast (Garona, Khadgar and Durotan) or the insane attention to details, but also some very low points, like some of the CG and some of the acting. Lothar is bad, and Llane has zero charisma, which is weird for a King. Places like Stormwind are very faithful to the game, but also feel very fake. It's almost like if it was TOO faithful in a weird way. It's cool that they are riding gryphons,
That's just fan service, and it stands out weirdly. Fans of the games will love the easter eggs (extra points to those of you able to spot
), but sometimes it feels like too much. There's too many ideas in that movie, and they never have te time to really expand on them. I loved the shot of Westfall in the trailers,
It's just there as fan service "hey guys, remember that place in the game? cool, back to the movie now". Locations are name-dropped like candy and it never pays off.
It was a weird thing. I'm definitely disappointed, I have no intention of seeing it again, but also I'm glad I saw it, and I wouldn't mind a sequel. They're definitely setting things up for one, and I fear that's yet another part of the movie that's never going to pay off.
It really feels like it's close to being a great movie, but like a house of cards, it's the little things that make everything fall apart.
First of all, I'm a huge Warcraft fan. I've been playing the strategy games since I was a kid, and my WoW subscription is still running since day one, with the ten year anniversary thank you statue proudly displayed in my house.
The movie was a mess. There's some very high points, like the Orcs, some of the cast (Garona, Khadgar and Durotan) or the insane attention to details, but also some very low points, like some of the CG and some of the acting. Lothar is bad, and Llane has zero charisma, which is weird for a King. Places like Stormwind are very faithful to the game, but also feel very fake. It's almost like if it was TOO faithful in a weird way. It's cool that they are riding gryphons,
but I didn't need them to land EXACTLY at the gryphon master location.
the summoning stone
but that's literally all of Westfall that's in the movie. There's not a single second more.
It was a weird thing. I'm definitely disappointed, I have no intention of seeing it again, but also I'm glad I saw it, and I wouldn't mind a sequel. They're definitely setting things up for one, and I fear that's yet another part of the movie that's never going to pay off.
It really feels like it's close to being a great movie, but like a house of cards, it's the little things that make everything fall apart.
Ahh I am just disappointed. You can feel that they pumped money into it and that somebody directed the movie with experience and knowledge of the property, but... I don't know. I didn't expect THAT.
Feels a bit like Batman vs Superman in that regard for me for the utter disappointment, but other people will surely like it much more. It's a fantasy movie.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
In for my bois Durotan and Orgrim
In for my bois Durotan and Orgrim
I want a Frostwolve-rug
Aquavelvaman
Banned
Yeah, that's the thing I'm most looking forward to
The Honest Trailer is going to be brutal.
MurkyZebra2417
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Watched it yesterday. I think it was pretty good, nothing groundshacking or genre defining, but a very good and fun fantasy movie.
They captured the Warcraft feeling and look perfectly. Some things were a bit off, but I can look past that. The action was pretty good overall and the Orcs look amazing and have a very good characterization (good and evil).
There were also some fun "Eastereggs" for Warcraft fans, the highlight definetly being (EASTEREGG SPOILER)
.
They captured the Warcraft feeling and look perfectly. Some things were a bit off, but I can look past that. The action was pretty good overall and the Orcs look amazing and have a very good characterization (good and evil).
There were also some fun "Eastereggs" for Warcraft fans, the highlight definetly being (EASTEREGG SPOILER)
the Murloc with the original sound
And we will love it.
Well, it's one of the most succesful and best rated shows of all time, so I'd strongly disagree with you there. Game of Thrones is both a tour de force and a great adaption to me
Maybe just try to appreciate the critic's opinions and points of criticism while also acknowledging that fans of the material can still be entertained by it? Nah. Fuck those critics!
Seen it last night. It is absolutely the most technical movie I've ever seen. It's very beautiful and implements CGI in a way I've never seen before. Sadly the script is the weakest part.
There's a massive problem where it moves the characters from A to B, but it never reaches the climax of emotion or drama. It just is. it just flows forward and doesn't stop,
I don't know how to say this, umm.. "high energy" you usually get during the good movies didn't exist here at all. There was time I thought, "finally this is it, this is gonna be it" but it never arrived.
+ CGI beats every other movie from the existence
+ Orcs were the best part, more personality than their human counterparts.
+ Violent kills, it didn't hold back.
- Bad pacing
- Garona was meh.
- My biggest problem, it's warcraft. yeah that is bad, because Blizzard's warcraft is actually very bland and it doesn't make for a good movie.
It's not bad, it's not good either.
There's a massive problem where it moves the characters from A to B, but it never reaches the climax of emotion or drama. It just is. it just flows forward and doesn't stop,
I don't know how to say this, umm.. "high energy" you usually get during the good movies didn't exist here at all. There was time I thought, "finally this is it, this is gonna be it" but it never arrived.
+ CGI beats every other movie from the existence
+ Orcs were the best part, more personality than their human counterparts.
+ Violent kills, it didn't hold back.
- Bad pacing
- Garona was meh.
- My biggest problem, it's warcraft. yeah that is bad, because Blizzard's warcraft is actually very bland and it doesn't make for a good movie.
It's not bad, it's not good either.
Okay guys, here's my spoiler free review for Warcraft:
My history with Warcraft is not ultra-deep, but I played Wc3 and WoW, so you can say I am more than casually involved, but not with the backstory which is told in this movie.
The movie throws you right in the middle of quite a cast of characters that you still need time to get to know, but that only happens over time. You can tell this story would have required more time to develop, but we have only about two hours of runtime, and the script kinda rushes through all those events required to understand all motivations and connections. Duncan Jones does a great job in telling a story that dense in such a short amount of time. But here is also the problem: The film has barely enough time for "character moments", for breathing in and characters becoming more than "the wizard" and "the king" etc. It fails in that department - just a little.
We still do get a beautiful movie with "engaging enough" characters, with the Orcs being on the plus side, which was also necessary, since those CGI-only creatures need all the depth they can get. They don't have the human actor bonus of the other side. The Orcs are really well done with incredible amount of detail, and so is the detail level on the alliance side with the swords, shields and armors. The magic CGI looks a bit overdone, but it is over-the-top Blizzard magic we are talking about here, so it is faithful to the games, despite it is not working as well in a movie. Maybe people are just feeling overfed with CGI at this point and less would have been more.
So, now I have touched mainly the aspects of pacing and looks, but who is this movie for? Well, it is definitely for the fans. You can tell Jones did his best effort to deliver an experience as true to the games as possible while not losing the casual audience. Speaking of those: People not familiar with the matter may fall into one of the possible traps:
- Expecting a popcorn-action flick, they might be disappointed with the amount of character moments and exposition, action isn't this movie's only purpose. If you expect Michael Bay's Warcraft, you will be disappointed.
- Expecting a somewhat leveled approach to fantasy, people may be blown away by crazy high-fantasy concepts like incredibly powerful mages, lifesucking evil magic, world-crossing portals and much much more. Anyone expecting a more grounded fantasy world like Lord of the Rings may "switch off" due to CG and craziness overload. I think this is the POV where most negative professional reviews are coming from.
Overall I enjoyed my time at the movies and I don't have the feeling of having wasted time or money. It's worth seeing in the theater.
8 out of 10 from me. Anyone giving this 5 or lower, or even comparing it to motherfucking Battlefield Earth, is just an idiot screaming for attention.
My history with Warcraft is not ultra-deep, but I played Wc3 and WoW, so you can say I am more than casually involved, but not with the backstory which is told in this movie.
The movie throws you right in the middle of quite a cast of characters that you still need time to get to know, but that only happens over time. You can tell this story would have required more time to develop, but we have only about two hours of runtime, and the script kinda rushes through all those events required to understand all motivations and connections. Duncan Jones does a great job in telling a story that dense in such a short amount of time. But here is also the problem: The film has barely enough time for "character moments", for breathing in and characters becoming more than "the wizard" and "the king" etc. It fails in that department - just a little.
We still do get a beautiful movie with "engaging enough" characters, with the Orcs being on the plus side, which was also necessary, since those CGI-only creatures need all the depth they can get. They don't have the human actor bonus of the other side. The Orcs are really well done with incredible amount of detail, and so is the detail level on the alliance side with the swords, shields and armors. The magic CGI looks a bit overdone, but it is over-the-top Blizzard magic we are talking about here, so it is faithful to the games, despite it is not working as well in a movie. Maybe people are just feeling overfed with CGI at this point and less would have been more.
So, now I have touched mainly the aspects of pacing and looks, but who is this movie for? Well, it is definitely for the fans. You can tell Jones did his best effort to deliver an experience as true to the games as possible while not losing the casual audience. Speaking of those: People not familiar with the matter may fall into one of the possible traps:
- Expecting a popcorn-action flick, they might be disappointed with the amount of character moments and exposition, action isn't this movie's only purpose. If you expect Michael Bay's Warcraft, you will be disappointed.
- Expecting a somewhat leveled approach to fantasy, people may be blown away by crazy high-fantasy concepts like incredibly powerful mages, lifesucking evil magic, world-crossing portals and much much more. Anyone expecting a more grounded fantasy world like Lord of the Rings may "switch off" due to CG and craziness overload. I think this is the POV where most negative professional reviews are coming from.
Overall I enjoyed my time at the movies and I don't have the feeling of having wasted time or money. It's worth seeing in the theater.
8 out of 10 from me. Anyone giving this 5 or lower, or even comparing it to motherfucking Battlefield Earth, is just an idiot screaming for attention.
Thank you for this. Strangely enough, this is more or less what I expected. There's tons of material to go through and where the games have had hours upon hours to tell their tales, a movie only gets a fraction of that time. So you need to choose, either get it all in breakneck-speed or let some things slide. Jones chose for the former, and it has consequences.
Really liked your post until this part. Come on, man.
I'm just upset about that kind of clickbait journalism. The movie is undeserving of lower-than-average scores.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Having not seen the movie, this is pretty much what I was fearing/expecting would happen. Just trying to cram too much stuff into one movie and it causing the whole experience to just get kind of muddled.
That's not how clickbait works. You don't know the score when you click on the article on the website. You know what would be clickbait?
"You won't believe what we thought of Warcraft!"
That would be clickbait, since it wants you to click on the article without actually telling you what the article entails. These headlines are the exact opposite of clickbait, since they accurately tell you what the editor though of the movie, then providing further reasoning after deciding you want to know more.
They disagree with you. Not because they figure "Yeah! That will bring way more clicks (which is in and on itself a deeply flawed premise) but simply because they have a different opinion. An opinion that is just as valid as yours- and they spend many words to explain why they came to that conclusion.
Who picks the line on the RottenTomatoes site?
Because his review is headlined with "Imagine Battlefield Earth without the verve, or the unintentional comedy." on RT and it's definitely clickbait.
The summary of the review on The Wrap als reads as follows "Imagine Battlefield Earth without the verve and you get this sludgy, tedious fantasy adventure, a fun-starved dud thats not even unintentionally hilarious"
And even just putting it in your review is just bait, because people will talk about it when they read it and tell friends and co-workers that "one review even compared it to Battlefield Earth and it was worse!".
None of that is what clickbait means and none of that shows that it's a bad review or critique. Clickbait doesn't mean: "Something that makes you want to read an article." That's literally what every single headline/summary is supposed do. The term just gets thrown around by everyone whenever someone makes a statement they disagree with, depriving it of any and all meaning it once had.
If he thinks it's a worse version of Battlefield Earth and then provides reasoning for why he thinks that, it's just as valid as someone in this thread saying it's a great movie for fans.
Oxford Dictionary said:
So you can argue semantics all day, but that BE reference was put in there for the single purpose to generate clicks.
RubberJohnny
Banned
Impressions from another forum
Star Falcon
Member
Will try to avoid any spoilers!
I went to the Premiere last night at London IMAX. I actually had no idea it was that until I got there and saw Duncan Jones with some the cast. It was a cool atmosphere, although a little low-key for the Premiere perhaps. Backstory - Warcraft is one my favourite game series. Played the first 2 games growing up, and WC3+Frozen Throne were one of the first online multiplayer games I really got stuck into. Loved the campaigns too. Got about a year of /played on WoW, and these days an avid Hearthstone/HotS addict. So I think i'd qualify as a fan of the series!
The movie isn't completely awful, but even though I figured it wasn't going to be great I was still a bit disappointed. The film does a couple things well - the costumes are good especially the Orcs. I did enjoy seeing locations from the games come to life on the big screen, although I'd imagine that wouldn't mean anything to someone who hadn't spent time in WoW. The CG is okay but definitely nothing worthy of praise.
The big problem I have with the film is it just doesn't feel authentic or like the actors are passionate about what they are doing. Especially the Humans.
all felt like something out of the Kevin Sorbo Hercules TV series, I don't know if its the accents or script (probably both) but when you're got something like Game of Thrones broadcasting on TV at the moment, Warcraft just feels so poorly done in comparison. The orcs were a little more believable - I'd say the character who is most faithful to the games was
. But all in all this is Dungeons & Dragons 2000 level fantasy movie.
The other thing was they definitely try to do shoehorn way too much which ruins the pacing or any establishment of setting. Every minute it feels like they were dropping place and character names in that would mean nothing to anyone who isn't a Warcraft fan. Imagine reading the Silmarillion to someone who knew nothing about Lord of the Rings. I appreciated the Easter egg nods here and there, but they should have scaled back I think and focused more on building a more believable main narrative. The movie wasn't what I hoped it would be, but rather what I expected to be.
I went to the Premiere last night at London IMAX. I actually had no idea it was that until I got there and saw Duncan Jones with some the cast. It was a cool atmosphere, although a little low-key for the Premiere perhaps. Backstory - Warcraft is one my favourite game series. Played the first 2 games growing up, and WC3+Frozen Throne were one of the first online multiplayer games I really got stuck into. Loved the campaigns too. Got about a year of /played on WoW, and these days an avid Hearthstone/HotS addict. So I think i'd qualify as a fan of the series!
The movie isn't completely awful, but even though I figured it wasn't going to be great I was still a bit disappointed. The film does a couple things well - the costumes are good especially the Orcs. I did enjoy seeing locations from the games come to life on the big screen, although I'd imagine that wouldn't mean anything to someone who hadn't spent time in WoW. The CG is okay but definitely nothing worthy of praise.
The big problem I have with the film is it just doesn't feel authentic or like the actors are passionate about what they are doing. Especially the Humans.
King Llane, Lothar, Khadgar and Medivh
Gul'Dan
The other thing was they definitely try to do shoehorn way too much which ruins the pacing or any establishment of setting. Every minute it feels like they were dropping place and character names in that would mean nothing to anyone who isn't a Warcraft fan. Imagine reading the Silmarillion to someone who knew nothing about Lord of the Rings. I appreciated the Easter egg nods here and there, but they should have scaled back I think and focused more on building a more believable main narrative. The movie wasn't what I hoped it would be, but rather what I expected to be.
AmaterasuOni
Banned
Going to see this on 6th. There's an embargo going on until 9th though.
There isn't any obligation for a movie to receive a certain score. Unless the reviewer says something factually inaccurate about the movie, their review isn't wrong.
Edit: Besides, you're acting as if a scoring system isn't completely subjective. I'm willing to bet that a 5 or 8 means something different to every person in this thread.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Well this is a video game forum, so 5 means "irredeemably terrible" and 8 means "almost worth buying"
Calling something Battlefield Earth is absolutely brutal. So I can understand if it doesn't fit that comparison.
Its okay, first come denial and then acceptance.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
This is some DaVinci-level shit right here.
I just noticed this post -
Is "DaVinci" supposed to be "Shakespeare"?
Vincent Grayson
Member
I'm pretty sure this will not be great, but in honor of childhood me, who obsessed over Warcraft lore and was writing fanfic (without knowing that was a thing) about where the story went after the Warcraft 2 expansion, I must go see it.
I'll probably be seeing it alone though, as even my kids think it looks bad.
I'll probably be seeing it alone though, as even my kids think it looks bad.
DaVinci, Shakespeare, Michelangelo, Raphael, Rembrandt, any great artist, really.
The Lamonster
Member
Do we know yet what races are in this? I know we've at least got orcs, humans, dwarves and draenei. Are there night or blood elves, goblins or gnomes? Tauren or trolls? I assume undead wouldn't be in this one...
Also, the C in Warcraft is not to be capitalized. GAF usually has better standards in |OT| thread titles
Also, the C in Warcraft is not to be capitalized. GAF usually has better standards in |OT| thread titles
yes I'm anal
Also, the C in Warcraft is not to be capitalized. GAF usually has better standards in |OT| thread titles
yes I'm anal
Yeah, fix that someone. Getting on my nerves.
Thanks for sharing your impressions guys! Very fair and honest, I'm still excited to see it for myself but my expectations are firmly in check now. I'll post the spoiler thread ASAP.
Oh crap I just noticed I didn't change that before submitting the thread, this is what happens when you make OPs in haste
Oh crap I just noticed I didn't change that before submitting the thread, this is what happens when you make OPs in haste
I bet you're great fun at parties.
RazorbackDB
Member
Underdeveloped story, characters and relationships, is the last thing I would have expected from this film, frankly I think the games have done a pretty bad job at delivering it's own lore, leaving a lot for the books and else, so you already cut the mass market audience and now your best possible audience, WoW players. I'm still going to see it but it really sucks to hear that.
andythinkpad
Member
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Fixed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-7ayDJw1JU
Here's a pretty interesting review that explains what probably went wrong.
I hope we get an extended edition at some point.
Here's a pretty interesting review that explains what probably went wrong.
I hope we get an extended edition at some point.
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